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The Four Gospels on Sabbath & Resurrection

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There has been a lot of discussion on CF of the relation between the Jewish day of rest and worship, Saturday, and the Christian day of rest and worship, Sunday. When and how was this change made, and by who? Does the Bible authorize the church to change the day of worship? Gentile Christians were free of the Jewish food laws and other miscellaneous laws but Christians have always followed the Ten Commandments. Sabbath observance is one of those commandments. Is commemorating the Resurrection a sufficient reason to change the day of worship?



These discussions have generally assumed that the Gospels are silent on this. It is usually assumed that they do not discard Sabbath observance or give Sunday any special significance.



Translators have often tried to make the Bible sound more formal than it did in the original. They have often passed over details. All versions reflect the time when the translation took place. Young's Literal Translation attempts to avoid these problems.



In Young's Literal Translation, Sunday does have a special significance. It was not, as most other translations assume, simply the first day of the week.





Matthew 28
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)




28 And on the eve of the sabbaths, at the dawn, toward the first of the sabbaths, came Mary the Magdalene, and the other Mary, to see the sepulchre,

2 and lo, there came a great earthquake, for a messenger of the Lord, having come down out of heaven, having come, did roll away the stone from the door, and was sitting upon it,

3 and his countenance was as lightning, and his clothing white as snow,

4 and from the fear of him did the keepers shake, and they became as dead men.





Mark 16
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)




16 And the sabbath having past, Mary the Magdalene, and Mary of James, and Salome, bought spices, that having come, they may anoint him,

2 and early in the morning of the first of the sabbaths, they come unto the sepulchre, at the rising of the sun,

3 and they said among themselves, `Who shall roll away for us the stone out of the door of the sepulchre?'





Luke 24
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)




1 And on the first of the sabbaths, at early dawn, they came to the tomb, bearing the spices they made ready, and certain [others] with them,

2 and they found the stone having been rolled away from the tomb,

3 and having gone in, they found not the body of the Lord Jesus.





John 20
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)




1 And on the first of the sabbaths, Mary the Magdalene doth come early (there being yet darkness) to the tomb, and she seeth the stone having been taken away out of the tomb,

2 she runneth, therefore, and cometh unto Simon Peter, and unto the other disciple whom Jesus was loving, and saith to them, `They took away the Lord out of the tomb, and we have not known where they laid him.'





The phrase “first of the sabbaths” appears in all four Gospels, in the YLT.

Surely it is important to understand what it means.
 

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There has been a lot of discussion on CF of the relation between the Jewish day of rest and worship, Saturday, and the Christian day of rest and worship, Sunday. When and how was this change made, and by who? Does the Bible authorize the church to change the day of worship? Gentile Christians were free of the Jewish food laws and other miscellaneous laws but Christians have always followed the Ten Commandments. Sabbath observance is one of those commandments. Is commemorating the Resurrection a sufficient reason to change the day of worship?

These discussions have generally assumed that the Gospels are silent on this. It is usually assumed that they do not discard Sabbath observance or give Sunday any special significance.

Translators have often tried to make the Bible sound more formal than it did in the original. They have often passed over details. All versions reflect the time when the translation took place. Young's Literal Translation attempts to avoid these problems.

In Young's Literal Translation, Sunday does have a special significance. It was not, as most other translations assume, simply the first day of the week.





Matthew 28
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)




28 And on the eve of the sabbaths, at the dawn, toward the first of the sabbaths, came Mary the Magdalene, and the other Mary, to see the sepulchre,

2 and lo, there came a great earthquake, for a messenger of the Lord, having come down out of heaven, having come, did roll away the stone from the door, and was sitting upon it,

3 and his countenance was as lightning, and his clothing white as snow,

4 and from the fear of him did the keepers shake, and they became as dead men

Mark 16
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)


16 And the sabbath having past, Mary the Magdalene, and Mary of James, and Salome, bought spices, that having come, they may anoint him,

2 and early in the morning of the first of the sabbaths, they come unto the sepulchre, at the rising of the sun,
3 and they said among themselves, `Who shall roll away for us the stone out of the door of the sepulchre?'

Luke 24
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)


1 And on the first of the sabbaths, at early dawn, they came to the tomb, bearing the spices they made ready, and certain [others] with them,

2 and they found the stone having been rolled away from the tomb,

3 and having gone in, they found not the body of the Lord Jesus.

John 20
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)


1 And on the first of the sabbaths, Mary the Magdalene doth come early (there being yet darkness) to the tomb, and she seeth the stone having been taken away out of the tomb,

2 she runneth, therefore, and cometh unto Simon Peter, and unto the other disciple whom Jesus was loving, and saith to them, `They took away the Lord out of the tomb, and we have not known where they laid him.'

The phrase “first of the sabbaths” appears in all four Gospels, in the YLT.

Surely it is important to understand what it means.
Good thread.
You can try this sites and perhaps others like it:

http://torahtimes.org/First_of_Sabbaths_vs_First_of_Week.html

First of the Sabbaths vs. First Day of the Week

All the resurrection accounts show that Yeshua was raised from the dead on the first Sabbath after Passover (μια των σαββατων; Matthew 28:1; Mark 16:2; cf. vs. 9; Luke 24:1; John 20:1, 19; cf. Acts 20:7; cf. 1Cor. 16:2). In 1 Cor. 16:2 Paul tells the faithful to save up a contribution "down from the first of Sabbaths" (κατα μιαν σαββατων) to send to Jerusalem for Pentecost (1 Cor. 16:8). The anniversary of the resurrection always falls right after Passover. It is marked on the "first of the sabbaths" in Acts 20:7 (Εν δε τη μια των σαββατων), when the disciples met to "break bread", which is a near eastern expression for a common meal. The next day, a common Sunday morning, Paul departed on his journey. The expression showing the time of the resurrection appears eight times in the Apostolic Writings. It designates a special Sabbath (cf. Lev. 23:15) along with the regular Sabbaths. Even John received his vision on the Sabbath (cf. Rev. 1:10).

Before the Gentiles fell into the Baalistic apostasy that became the proto-Catholic Church and the various Gnostic movements, faithful Messianic Israelites met and worshiped on the Sabbath day, and observed the Jewish feast days (cf. Col. 2:16; 1Cor 5:8; 1Cor 16:8). The apostates developed a web of deceit to lay as a foundation for their new religion taken from old Babylonia, and then proceeded to persecute the original faith into near extinction with the zeal of Jezebel. In this article we will look at the lies, half truths, and admitted truths that can be confirmed in an article published by Eric Lyons for Apologetics Press. Quotations will be from that article which are sourced at the link under Mr. Lyons name. He writes:

Admittedly, a form of the Greek word for sabbath (sabbaton or sabbatou) does appear in each of the eight passages translated “first day of the week.” For example, in Acts 20:7 this phrase is translated from the Greek mia ton sabbaton. However, sabbaton (or sabbatou) is never translated as “the Sabbath day” in these passages. Why? Because the word is used in these contexts (as Greek scholars overwhelmingly agree) to denote a “week” (Perschbacher, 1990, p. 364), “a period of seven days” (Danker, et al., 2000, p. 910; cf. Thayer, 1962, p. 566). Jesus once used the term “Sabbath” in this sense while teaching about the sinfulness of self-righteousness (Luke 18:9).



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The church has no such power to change the Sabbath. Only a false prophet would change the law (Deuteronomy 13:1-5, Isaiah 8:20). The law can neither be added to or reduced (Deuteronomy 4:2, Deuteronomy 12:32), and adding some new 1st day command makes a person a liar (Proverbs 30:6). Think not that Jesus came to destroy the law (Matthew 5:17), heaven and earth will pass before one tittle of the law fails (Luke 16:17).
 
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Good thread.
You can try this sites and perhaps others like it:

http://torahtimes.org/First_of_Sabbaths_vs_First_of_Week.html

First of the Sabbaths vs. First Day of the Week

All the resurrection accounts show that Yeshua was raised from the dead on the first Sabbath after Passover (μια των σαββατων; Matthew 28:1; Mark 16:2; cf. vs. 9; Luke 24:1; John 20:1, 19; cf. Acts 20:7; cf. 1Cor. 16:2). In 1 Cor. 16:2 Paul tells the faithful to save up a contribution "down from the first of Sabbaths" (κατα μιαν σαββατων) to send to Jerusalem for Pentecost (1 Cor. 16:8). The anniversary of the resurrection always falls right after Passover. It is marked on the "first of the sabbaths" in Acts 20:7 (Εν δε τη μια των σαββατων), when the disciples met to "break bread", which is a near eastern expression for a common meal. The next day, a common Sunday morning, Paul departed on his journey. The expression showing the time of the resurrection appears eight times in the Apostolic Writings. It designates a special Sabbath (cf. Lev. 23:15) along with the regular Sabbaths. Even John received his vision on the Sabbath (cf. Rev. 1:10).

Before the Gentiles fell into the Baalistic apostasy that became the proto-Catholic Church and the various Gnostic movements, faithful Messianic Israelites met and worshiped on the Sabbath day, and observed the Jewish feast days (cf. Col. 2:16; 1Cor 5:8; 1Cor 16:8). The apostates developed a web of deceit to lay as a foundation for their new religion taken from old Babylonia, and then proceeded to persecute the original faith into near extinction with the zeal of Jezebel. In this article we will look at the lies, half truths, and admitted truths that can be confirmed in an article published by Eric Lyons for Apologetics Press. Quotations will be from that article which are sourced at the link under Mr. Lyons name. He writes:

Admittedly, a form of the Greek word for sabbath (sabbaton or sabbatou) does appear in each of the eight passages translated “first day of the week.” For example, in Acts 20:7 this phrase is translated from the Greek mia ton sabbaton. However, sabbaton (or sabbatou) is never translated as “the Sabbath day” in these passages. Why? Because the word is used in these contexts (as Greek scholars overwhelmingly agree) to denote a “week” (Perschbacher, 1990, p. 364), “a period of seven days” (Danker, et al., 2000, p. 910; cf. Thayer, 1962, p. 566). Jesus once used the term “Sabbath” in this sense while teaching about the sinfulness of self-righteousness (Luke 18:9).



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LLOJ,

I don't know how this duplicate thread got started, although I must have pushed the wrong button. Anyway, you replied.

You quote a website, torahtimes.com. I don't fully understand where the author of this site is coming from but what I know is confusing at best. He says he is a messianic Jew. In more than one place he uses the term “lawless church.” What does he mean by this? In one place he says that the “lawless church” has been around for 1900 years. He goes on to say that the “lawless church” teaches a “false Paul.” As far as I can tell, the owner of this site is essentially a Judaizer, an advocate of Old Testament law who does not acknowledge the role of grace or the church's instruction to the Gentiles. I put no stock in what he says.

One item which may have been lifted from the same site:

LLOJ: << Even John received his vision on the Sabbath (cf. Rev. 1:10). >>



This is not true at all. Revelation 1:10 says “I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day ...” It is obvious to anyone who is not a Sabbatarian that the Lord's day can only be Sunday, the day that Jesus rose from the dead. Just take a look at what John Gill's commentary says about this.




John Gill Commentary:

<< Revelation 1:10

I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day
Not on the Jewish sabbath, which was now abolished, nor was that ever called the Lord's day, and had John meant that, he would have said on the sabbath day; much less the Jewish passover, but the first day of the week is designed; so the Ethiopic version renders it "on the first day"; and is so called just as the ordinance of the supper is called the Lord's supper, being instituted by the Lord, and the Lord's table, ( 1 Corinthians 10:21 ) ( 11:20 ) , and that because it was the day in which our Lord rose from the dead, ( Mark 16:9 ) ; and in which he appeared at different times to his disciples, ( John 20:19 John 20:26 ) , and which the primitive churches set apart for his worship and service, and on which they met together to hear the word, and attend on ordinances … >



Link:

http://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/gills-exposition-of-the-bible/revelation-1-10.html
 
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Countless implications make it impossible to answer a single one.

Young's is not the first on the meaning of the IDIOMATIC Substantival Phrases, 'sabbatohn', 'sabbatou', 'miai sabbatou', 'mian sabbatohn' et al, nor the last. Rather, Young is representative of a period in Bible translation when the legitimate accepted idiomatic meaning and usage of these phrases were no longer the preferred and began to be replaced with fore-gone concluded meanings.
 
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Countless implications make it impossible to answer a single one.


Young's is not the first on the meaning of the IDIOMATIC Substantival Phrases, 'sabbatohn', 'sabbatou', 'miai sabbatou', 'mian sabbatohn' et al, nor the last. Rather, Young is representative of a period in Bible translation when the legitimate accepted idiomatic meaning and usage of these phrases were no longer the preferred and began to be replaced with fore-gone concluded meanings.
 
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All the resurrection accounts show that Yeshua was raised from the dead on the first Sabbath after Passover (μια των σαββατων; Matthew 28:1; Mark 16:2; cf. vs. 9; Luke 24:1; John 20:1, 19;


None of these Scriptures are ~resurrection accounts~.

Only Matthew 28:1-4 mentions the circumstances and events that occurred at the time of day at the grave when Jesus resurrected. And Matthew's account shows that Jesus was raised "on the Sabbath"---'sabbatohn', "before"---'eis', "the First (Day) of the week"---'Mian (Hehmeran) sabbatohn'— the opposite of what you are trying to ~show~ here.
 
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All the resurrection accounts show that Yeshua was raised from the dead on the first Sabbath after Passover (μια των σαββατων; Matthew 28:1; Mark 16:2; cf. vs. 9; Luke 24:1; John 20:1, 19;

It is UNTRUE—

what~
μια των σαββατων; Matthew 28:1;

It is UNTRUE—

what~
μια των σαββατων; John 20:1;

It is UNTRUE—

what~
μια των σαββατων; John 20:19;
 
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the Christian day of rest and worship, Sunday.

The Christian day of rest and worship, is Sunday? The Christian Day of rest and worship, is not Sunday, but "the Sabbath as Jesus was accustomed to" and RESURRECTED ON "according to the Scriptures" from Genesis to Revelation!
 
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Christians have always followed the Ten Commandments. Sabbath observance is one of those commandments.

Christians have always followed Jesus Christ as their sole Commander and Word of Command from God for their observance of the Sabbath, even and despite (since merely two centuries AD) they have always been deceived to believe Sunday was the Sabbath because the Lord Jesus was raised on it.
 
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Here is the 1611 KJV, before all the countless editions of the bible came about.

Viewing the original 1611 KJV with archaic English spelling.
1In the ende of the Sabbath, as it began to dawne towards the first day of the weeke, came Mary Magdalene, and the other Mary, to see the sepulchre.

and the Tyndale
Matthew 28:1 TYN
1 The Sabboth daye at even which dauneth the morowe after the Sabboth Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to se the sepulcre.


These 2 were the earliest versions of the bible and the 1611 KJV states the Sabbath was ending when he rose and the Tyndale is stating it was about 6pm (even) when he rose, so since Jesus died at 3pm and was placed in the grave right before the Sabbath (Unleavened Bread) started (6pm/even), he himself stated he was to be in the grave 3 days and 3 nights as a sign he was the Messiah (Matthew 12:40), and he rose just like the 2 versions above verified.
It was a Saturday Night turning into the 1st day of the week: Sunday, so technically we can say Jesus rose on the 1st day of the week or it still could have been considered the Sabbath ending, but he DID NOT rise at dawn, he was just discovered missing at dawn.
 
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Is commemorating the Resurrection a sufficient reason to change the day of worship?

Jesus' Resurrection is the only, and all sufficient, and all else and superfluous exclusive reason for being of the Christian Sabbath Day-of-worship-rest, "for God thus concerning the Seventh Day spake BY THE SON: And God the day The Seventh Day from all, his, works, RESTED"; at the raising of Christ from the dead RESTED; at the death of death on the Seventh Day Sabbath OF THE LORD GOD, RESTED".
 
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Here is the 1611 KJV, before all the countless editions of the bible came about.



Viewing the original 1611 KJV with archaic English spelling.

1In the ende of the Sabbath, as it began to dawne towards the first day of the weeke, came Mary Magdalene, and the other Mary, to see the sepulchre.



and the Tyndale

Matthew 28:1 TYN

1 The Sabboth daye at even which dauneth the morowe after the Sabboth Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to se the sepulcre.





These 2 were the earliest versions of the bible and the 1611 KJV states the Sabbath was ending when he rose and the Tyndale is stating it was about 6pm (even) when he rose, so since Jesus died at 3pm and was placed in the grave right before the Sabbath (Unleavened Bread) started (6pm/even), he himself stated he was to be in the grave 3 days and 3 nights as a sign he was the Messiah, and he rose just like the 2 versions above verified.

It was a Saturday Night turning into the 1st day of the week: Sunday, so technically we can say Jesus rose on the 1st day of the week or it still could have been considered the Sabbath ending, but he DID NOT rise at dawn, he was just discovered missing at dawn.



Correct, ~the 1611 KJV states the Sabbath was ending when he rose~.



And the Tyndale is stating it in the very same way, “The Sabboth daye at even” = “the Sabbath was ending”. It was “The Sabboth daye at even which dauneth the morowe after the Sabboth.” As you said, it’s ~archaic English~— Archaic English



“daye at even” = RSV “Late on the day of the Sabbath” / KJV “In the end(ing) of the Sabbath” = Greek, ‘opse’, Adverb, “Late on, the Sabbath set out Mary … was earthquake”.



Archaic English “the morowe” = KJV “the First (Day)” Greek ellipse ‘Mian (Hehmeran)’ “of the week”—‘sabbatohn’.



Not so archaic though, is

dauneth the morowe” = KJV “as it (on the Sabbath) began to dawn towards the First Day” = “on the Sabbath as the First Day began drawing near” (like “the Sabbath began drawing near on That Day the Preparation which is the Fore-Sabbath (Friday) being mid-afternoon.” Luke 23:54.



This was not ~about 6pm (even)~, but exactly literally “in the mid-afternoon” 3pm. when Christ rose.



So, since Jesus died at 3pm on “The Preparation OF THE PASSOVER” John 19:14, “when they always KILLED the Passover” Mark 14:12 Matthew 26:17 and “had to remove leaven” Luke 22:7 “before the Feast” John 13:1, on Abib 14;



…and on Abib 15 “WHEN ALREADY EVENING HAD COME” Mark 15:42 Matthew 27:57 “since the Preparation had begun” John 19:31, “Joseph arrived there and went in to Pilate and asked Jesus’ body” Luke 23:50, “and after these things” the Jews had done before him on “that day great day sabbath” John 19:31 of the passover Abib 15,

…and until

That Day”, “by the time the Jews’ preparations would begin” [at 3 pm] and Joseph and Nicodemus “had laid the body in the grave” John 19:42, and “Joseph had gone home” … “and the women also had gone home and prepared spiceswas the Preparation—Abib 15—while the Sabbath drew near” Luke 23:54-56a.



Then the women began to rest the Sabbath according to the (Fourth) Commandment” on (Abib 16) Luke 23:56b.

Then the Jews the morning after the Preparation (‘Friday’) … went and secured the grave.” Matthew 27:62.

BUT LATE ON THE SABBATH mid-afternoon in the very declining of the daylight towards the First Day of the week, went Mary Magdalene and the other Mary AND THERE OCCURRED GREAT EARTHQUAKE….”



Jesus never ~himself stated he was to be in the grave 3 days and 3 nights~. That’s SAAN’s spinning.



It was a ‘Saturday’ “mid-afternoon”—3 pm “as it began to dawn towards the First Day of the week” KJV “when suddenly a great earthquake occurred and the angel of the Lord from heaven descending with the brightness of his appearing cast the stone away from the door of the grave.



It was not ~Sunday the 1st day of the week~ that Christ Jesus arose from the dead. It was “ON the Sabbath late when ending midst in the daylight declining unto / towards / before the First Day of the week”. He did not rise at dawn towards daylight; He rose “as it began to dawn TOWARDS THE DAY the First Day of the week”.



The tomb was discovered opened by Mary “dusk on the First Day evening” after sunset before proper night. John 20:1,2.



The tomb was discovered empty and the body gone “deepest of morning after midnight on the First Day of the week.” Luke 24:1,2.
 
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Correct, ~the 1611 KJV states the Sabbath was ending when he rose~.



And the Tyndale is stating it in the very same way, “The Sabboth daye at even” = “the Sabbath was ending”. It was “The Sabboth daye at even which dauneth the morowe after the Sabboth.” As you said, it’s ~archaic English~— Archaic English



“daye at even” = RSV “Late on the day of the Sabbath” / KJV “In the end(ing) of the Sabbath” = Greek, ‘opse’, Adverb, “Late on, the Sabbath set out Mary … was earthquake”.



Archaic English “the morowe” = KJV “the First (Day)” Greek ellipse ‘Mian (Hehmeran)’ “of the week”—‘sabbatohn’.



Not so archaic though, is

dauneth the morowe” = KJV “as it (on the Sabbath) began to dawn towards the First Day” = “on the Sabbath as the First Day began drawing near” (like “the Sabbath began drawing near on That Day the Preparation which is the Fore-Sabbath (Friday) being mid-afternoon.” Luke 23:54.



This was not ~about 6pm (even)~, but exactly literally “in the mid-afternoon” 3pm. when Christ rose.



So, since Jesus died at 3pm on “The Preparation OF THE PASSOVER” John 19:14, “when they always KILLED the Passover” Mark 14:12 Matthew 26:17 and “had to remove leaven” Luke 22:7 “before the Feast” John 13:1, on Abib 14;



…and on Abib 15 “WHEN ALREADY EVENING HAD COME” Mark 15:42 Matthew 27:57 “since the Preparation had begun” John 19:31, “Joseph arrived there and went in to Pilate and asked Jesus’ body” Luke 23:50, “and after these things” the Jews had done before him on “that day great day sabbath” John 19:31 of the passover Abib 15,

…and until

That Day”, “by the time the Jews’ preparations would begin” [at 3 pm] and Joseph and Nicodemus “had laid the body in the grave” John 19:42, and “Joseph had gone home” … “and the women also had gone home and prepared spiceswas the Preparation—Abib 15—while the Sabbath drew near” Luke 23:54-56a.



Then the women began to rest the Sabbath according to the (Fourth) Commandment” on (Abib 16) Luke 23:56b.

Then the Jews the morning after the Preparation (‘Friday’) … went and secured the grave.” Matthew 27:62.

BUT LATE ON THE SABBATH mid-afternoon in the very declining of the daylight towards the First Day of the week, went Mary Magdalene and the other Mary AND THERE OCCURRED GREAT EARTHQUAKE….”



Jesus never ~himself stated he was to be in the grave 3 days and 3 nights~. That’s SAAN’s spinning.



It was a ‘Saturday’ “mid-afternoon”—3 pm “as it began to dawn towards the First Day of the week” KJV “when suddenly a great earthquake occurred and the angel of the Lord from heaven descending with the brightness of his appearing cast the stone away from the door of the grave.



It was not ~Sunday the 1st day of the week~ that Christ Jesus arose from the dead. It was “ON the Sabbath late when ending midst in the daylight declining unto / towards / before the First Day of the week”. He did not rise at dawn towards daylight; He rose “as it began to dawn TOWARDS THE DAY the First Day of the week”.



The tomb was discovered opened by Mary “dusk on the First Day evening” after sunset before proper night. John 20:1,2.



The tomb was discovered empty and the body gone “deepest of morning after midnight on the First Day of the week.” Luke 24:1,2.


Gerhard Ebersoehn,

First you complain about Young's Literal Translation and then you use quotes from King James, a historic translation notoriously hard to understand. It doesn't add up.



 
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On when Jesus was resurrected ...

Matthew tells us that there was an earthquake when Jesus died on the cross and another earthquake at the time of the Resurrection. This places the Resurrection only shortly before the women appeared at the tomb. That means Jesus was resurrected on Sunday.


And when Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, he gave up his spirit.

At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook and the rocks split. The tombs broke open and the bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. They came out of the tombs, and after Jesus' resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many people.
When the centurion and those with him who were guarding Jesus saw the earthquake
and all that had happened, they were terried, and exclaimed, 'Surely he was the Son of God!”
--Matthew 27: 50-54 NIV



After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb.
There was a violent earthquake, for an angel of the Lord came down from heaven and, going to the tomb, rolled back the stone and sat on it.”
--Matthew 28:1-2 NIV




Here we have an earthquake at the climax of the crucifixion and another earthquake at the Resurrection, which places the Resurrection on Sunday morning.
 
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Who cares when Jesus resurrected? The Sabbath is to honor the creation of the world, not that. Even the writer of Hebrews acknowledges this.
Genesis 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
Exodus 20:11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Hebrews 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
 
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Gerhard Ebersoehn,
First you complain about Young's Literal Translation and then you use quotes from King James, a historic translation notoriously hard to understand. It doesn't add up.

Nothing specific that doesn't ~add up~; expect no answers.
 
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On when Jesus was resurrected ...

Matthew tells us that there was an earthquake when Jesus died on the cross and another earthquake at the time of the Resurrection. This places the Resurrection only shortly before the women appeared at the tomb. That means Jesus was resurrected on Sunday.

<<Matthew tells ... earthquake at the time of the Resurrection … places the Resurrection shortly before the women appeared at the tomb>>



Matthew did not write though, that the women—“Mary Magdalene and the other Mary”, only, <<appeared at the tomb>>, or, that the Resurrection took place <<shortly before the women appeared at the tomb>>. On the contrary, Matthew wrote the Marys “set out to go have a look at the tomb when suddenly there occurred a great earthquake” so that of their intentions “to go see the tomb”, came nothing and they were none the wiser of what took place at the tomb at that moment in time, which was “late on the Sabbath mid-afternoon unto / before / against / towards the First Day of the week”. Which of course not nearly <<means Jesus was resurrected on Sunday>>, because from “mid-afternoon Sabbath’s-time” to in the morning about sunrise on Sunday would be after Jesus resurrected, 15 hours later.
 
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After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb.
There was a violent earthquake, for an angel of the Lord came down from heaven and, going to the tomb, rolled back the stone and sat on it.”
--Matthew 28:1-2 NIV

Yes, the NIV is the best-ever carefully edited PERVERSION of the real Text as well as of all real, Translations of the 5 centuries before the 20th.
 
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