The Four Aspects of Salvation.

[JLB777]

Obedience to the Lord = works.
“Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;” Titus 3:5 (KJV 1900)

Not works of righteousness, but by faith;
The obedience of faith.


Do you understand that no one is saved apart from obey the Gospel?


JLB

 

[JLB777]

= the self righteous save themselves.

please explain how obeying the Lord is self righteousness?


You obviously have no earthly idea what you are talking about.




JLB

 

[Dave L]

Not works of righteousness, but by faith;
The obedience of faith.


Do you understand that no one is saved apart from obey the Gospel?


JLB

How about babies?

 

[Dave L]

please explain how obeying the Lord is self righteousness?


You obviously have no earthly idea what you are talking about.




JLB

The OT Jews obeyed the Law and perished. Law cannot save.

 

[Job3315]

Here are some scriptures that teach us what we must do, as born again Christians in order to be fruitful followers of Christ Jesus.


The first and most important thing is to remain in Him.


“I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit. You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me.
“I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. John 15:1-6


Notice that it is God the Father Himself that removes unfruitful branches that are “in Christ” because they are unfruitful.

• Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away;

Those who are “in Christ” who do not remain “in Him”, are cast into the fire and burned.


If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.



“They” = branches that were once “in Him” then they were no longer in Him, and were gathered up and thrown into the fire and burned.


Here is how this same Apostle John instructs us to remain “in Christ”. -


Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. 1 John 3:24

• he who keeps His commandments abides in Him

JLB

I understand that you don't understand.

 

[JLB777]

I understand that you don't understand.

So you believe that a person who is in Christ, then removed from Christ is still saved?


He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life. 1 John 5:12



Hope this helps you to understand.





JLB

 

[JLB777]

The OT Jews obeyed the Law and perished. Law cannot save.

Law is not mentioned in my post.


Obeying the Gospel is how we are saved.


Obeying the Lord is how we remain saved.



He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 1 John 2:4




JLB

 

[Dave L]

Law is not mentioned in my post.


Obeying the Gospel is how we are saved.


Obeying the Lord is how we remain saved.



He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 1 John 2:4




JLB

You must be saved to obey the gospel. It's foolishness otherwise.

 

[Job3315]

So you believe that a person who is in Christ, then removed from Christ is still saved?


He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life. 1 John 5:12



Hope this helps you to understand.





JLB

I believe God is the only one who can truly know our hearts and and the only one who truly know who is saved. He is such a forgiving God that even the thief on the cross, by acknowledging who Jesus is, was saved. The church just created a new law themselves. Its the law of, "We believe, but just in case I will do good works to keep my salvation".

As I mentioned to other people, you are entitled to believe whatever you want. I believe many will enter Heaven being sons, already knowing God and having a relationship with Him, while others will meet God when they get to Heaven. I just chose the first option. I used to read the Bible to learn what God wanted me to do, now I read it to understand the Heart of the Father through Jesus, and by doing that I know more of myself.

I lived in fear for years trying to keep my salvation until God himself taught me what the forgiveness of sins mean, what it means to live in a new covenant, what He came to restore in man through the Cross, what means to be His daughter and what is my identity through Christ.

 

[JLB777]

I believe God is the only one who can truly know our hearts and and the only one who truly know who is saved.

Fair enough.

 

[JLB777]

He is such a forgiving God that even the thief on the cross, by acknowledging who Jesus is, was saved.

Actually that’s how we are saved, by confessing Jesus as Lord.


For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. Romans 10:10

• with the mouth confession is made unto salvation

This is how we obey the Gospel command repent.




JLB

 

[JLB777]

You must be saved to obey the gospel. It's foolishness otherwise.

That is Heresy.

We believe then we are saved.


Your “gospel” is backwards which says, we are saved then we believe the Gospel.


Please show me the scripture that says we are saved then we believe.



Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. Luke 8:12

• lest they should believe and be saved.

JLB

 

[Bible Highlighter]

To all:

The goal of my intention with this thread is to help folks to see that there are different aspects to salvation mentioned in the Scriptures. Many appear to be under the impression that salvation is more one dimensional. But the Bible does not speak that way about salvation. While even others will admit that Progessive Sanctification of the Spirit is a part of salvation, it is vitally important that we seek the Scriptures on how that is defined. Many will say that they are being saved from the power of sin, but not the penalty of sin in Sanctification. But did Jesus and His followers warn us about how certain sins can destroy us spiritually? If so, then this needs to be factored into the equation in the Sanctification Process (I believe they fail to understand it and the other aspects of salvation). In “Sanctification of the Spirit to Live a Holy Life:” The motivator is not just God's love and grace, but it is also the fear of destruction and or judgment, as well. For it is written, that "the fear of the Lord, men depart from evil." (Proverbs 16:6). In “Being Saved By God's grace through faith in Jesus Christ:” It is not a get out of hell free card with no chance of ever being thrown back in. God is holy, and just and He cannot agree with our view that we can sin and still be saved on any level. Hebrews 10:26 says that if we willfully sin after we receive the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sin.

 

[Job3315]

To all:

The goal of my intention with this thread is to help folks to see that there are different aspects to salvation mentioned in the Scriptures. Many appear to be under the impression that salvation is more one dimensional. But the Bible does not speak that way about salvation. While even others will admit that Progessive Sanctification is a part of salvation, it is vitally important that we seek the Scriptures on how that is defined. Did Jesus and His followers warn us about how certain sins can destroy us spiritually? If so, then this needs to be factored into the equation in the Sanctification Process (I believe they fail to understand it and the other aspects of salvation). In Sanctification: The motivator is not just God's love and grace, but it is also the fear of destruction and or judgment, as well. For it is written, that "the fear of the Lord, men depart from evil." (Proverbs 16:6). In Justification: It is not a get out of hell free card with no chance of ever being thrown back in. God is holy, and just and He cannot agree with our view that we can sin and still be saved on any level. Hebrews 10:26 says that if we willfully sin after we receive the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sin.

Keep in mind that theres a difference between fear and respect. Every christian should eventually mature from fear to respect. I first didn't do things out of fear, now I don't do them out of respect and because of the revelation I am in Him. I understand what He did on the cross for me, I understand the meaning of the sacrifice and all of its benefits. My behavior, my live for Him, for others and for myself doesn't come from fear, but from knowing His heart and who the Father is through the life of Jesus. The Bible says that fear implies punishment when you haven't experienced perfect love.

Such love has no fear, because perfect love expels all fear. If we are afraid, it is for fear of punishment, and this shows that we have not fully experienced his perfect love. 1 John 4:18.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Keep in mind that theres a difference between fear and respect. Every christian should eventually mature from fear to respect. I first didn't do things out of fear, now I don't do them out of respect and because of the revelation I am in Him. I understand what He did on the cross for me, I understand the meaning of the sacrifice and all of its benefits. My behavior, my live for Him, for others and for myself doesn't come from fear, but from knowing His heart and who the Father is through the life of Jesus. The Bible says that fear implies punishment when you haven't experienced perfect love.

Such love has no fear, because perfect love expels all fear. If we are afraid, it is for fear of punishment, and this shows that we have not fully experienced his perfect love. 1 John 4:18.

But the way to perfect love and to know we are in Him is to keep His Word (See 1 John 2:5).

Also, we are told to work out our salvation with fear and trembling (Philippians 2:12). Why all the trembling if it is not talking about fear?

 

[Job3315]

But the way to perfect love and to know we are in Him is to keep His Word (See 1 John 2:5).

Also, we are told to work out our salvation with fear and trembling (Philippians 2:12). Why all the trembling if it is not talking about fear?[/QUOTE
People need to become and understand love to then be able to express it. People need to understand the word to be able to keep it without fear. Jesus said to keep His commandments, he did, but seek to understand why He asked you to, then you will learn to love His heart, the reason behind them and then you become who you are in Him.

You can dress like a cowboy and yet never become one. The idea is for you to learn the reason behind the commandment, the reason why He wants you to keep them, which is identity. You keep them because that's how Heaven functions.

I have a 3 year old nephew. A few months ago he was playing with his cousins hot wheel and my nephews dad noticed he was trying to hide it in one of his pockets. My brother in law didn't strike his son, he didn't yelled at him nor said, "You just sinned! You are not my son anymore!". My brother in law got to his level, and told his son that we don't keep what is not ours. His dad noticed he did something thats not aligned with his identity, so he corrected him. He didn't correct his son for Him to keep his order/decision/command, but because he knows the kind of person he is and the kind of person God wants Him to be. He is building character/identity in him.

Unfortunately many people live life without encountering God's love because what He intended was for parents to pass on righteousness to their kids, but that was broken. My nephew is too young to have a relationship with God, but he is learning who God is through his father; disciplined, a good Father, yet merciful and loving. Eventually my nephew will learn how to have a relationship with God.

I am not behaving well to get into Heaven. I behave well because that is who I am; a reflection of Jesus.

The reason Paul writes to keep your salvation with trembling is because many experienced God's mercy but they went back to the way they were before and were disregarding God. They were like the Israelites, who saw all of God's goodness and still rebelled against Him. But when you understand the Cross, when you understand the greatness of His sacrifice, you just want to know Him more.

The Bible says there are people who are weak in faith and we are not to judge them. If they need to keep certain religious acts and keep certain days, let them. What I don't agree with is when people try to drag us back into keeping commandments out of fear instead of out of respect, identity and honor.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

People need to become and understand love to then be able to express it. People need to understand the word to be able to keep it without fear. Jesus said to keep His commandments, he did, but seek to understand why He asked you to, then you will learn to love His heart, the reason behind them and then you become who you are in Him.

You can dress like a cowboy and yet never become one. The idea is for you to learn the reason behind the commandment, the reason why He wants you to keep them, which is identity. You keep them because that's how Heaven functions.

Well, I want to make it clear that a person cannot love the Lord via by obeying His commands without first being saved by God's grace through faith in Christ. A person cannot love without being born again, and or being forgiven of their past life of sin. Anyways, what are the reasons in the Bible why Jesus wants us to keep His commandments? Well, the reason why Jesus wants us to keep His commandments is that is a part of inheriting eternal life (Luke 10:25-28), loving Him (John 14:15), and in being His friend (John 15:14).

I have a 3 year old nephew. A few months ago he was playing with his cousins hot wheel and my nephews dad noticed he was trying to hide it in one of his pockets. My brother in law didn't strike his son, he didn't yelled at him nor said, "You just sinned! You are not my son anymore!". My brother in law got to his level, and told his son that we don't keep what is not ours. His dad noticed he did something thats not aligned with his identity, so he corrected him. He didn't correct his son for Him to keep his order/decision/command, but because he knows the kind of person he is and the kind of person God wants Him to be. He is building character/identity in him.

The "Hey, you sinned! So your not my son anymore!" is simply a faulty argument. The way the son can no longer be a son anymore is if they die. A son who dies cannot participate in family picnics, and or have a father and son time together. The Bible teaches that the wages of sin is death (Romans 6:23). While a believer may not be able to undo His sonship while he is alive, he can die spiritually, and then at the judgment, Christ can cast out him out of His Kingdom; For Christ will send forth His angels and He will gather out of His kingdom all who offend (make another to sin) and who work iniquity (who work lawlessness) and they will be cast into the furnace of fire (See Matthew 13:41-42). For the children of the kingdom will be cast into outer darkness (Matthew 8:12).

In the Parable of the Prodigal Son, we learn that when the son came home from his sinful life and he sought forgiveness with his father, he was said to be "dead" and he is now "alive again." Meaning, the son "died spiritually" as a result of his sinful life, and he became "alive again spiritually" as a part of coming home and seeking forgiveness with his father (See Luke 15:11-32 and pay close attention to verses 24, and 32).

Oh, and yes. Sin can separate people in real life. If a son ends up killing most of the family, and he is seeking to kill the father, the father can say "that he is cast out of his home and he is going to be arrested." It can be even for a lesser sin than that. If a son ends up getting drunk all the time and he smokes weed, the father can kick him out of his home (at the proper age) or he can turn his son over to the authorities.

I am not behaving well to get into Heaven.

But this is not what the Bible teaches.
The Bible does teach that you have to behave well to enter His Kingdom.

After we are saved by God's grace,
God’s works (done through us) are also required as a part of the Salvation Process:


(Here are a List of Verses):


#1. “Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only." (James 2:24).

#2. "Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.” (James 2:17-18).

#3. "They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate." (Titus 1:16).

#4. "If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; He is proud, knowing nothing," (1 Timothy 6:3-4).

Supplemental verse:

"...God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble." (James 4:6).​

#5. "And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him." (Hebrews 5:9).

#6. "Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord" (Hebrews 12:14).

#7. “...God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth” (2 Thessalonians 2:13).

Supplemental verses:

(a) “That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.” (2 Thessalonians 2:12).

(b) “...and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace, Comfort your hearts, and establish you in every good word and work.” (2 Thessalonians 2:16-17).​

#8. “There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.” (Romans 8:1).

Supplemental verse:

“For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.” (Romans 8:13).​

#9. "If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema [accursed] Maranatha."(1 Corinthians 16:22).

Supplemental verses:

(a) "If ye love me, keep my commandments." (John 14:15).

(b) “If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.” (John 15:10).​

#10. ”And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou? And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.” (Luke 10:25-28).

#11. “...if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.” (Matthew 19:17-19).

#12. "And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me." (Matthew 10:38). ”If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? (Matthew 16:24-26).

#13. "...No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God." (Luke 9:62) (cf. Luke 8:11-15, 1 Corinthians 4:15).

#14. "But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: For there is no respect of persons with God." (Romans 2:8-11).

Supplemental verses:

(a) "Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls." (James 1:21).

(b) “Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.” (James 1:12).

(c) "For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved." (John 3:20).​

#15. “And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.” (John 5:29).

#16. ”And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.” (Revelation 22:12-15).

#17. “For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.” (Romans 11:21-22).

#18. “Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.” (Philippians 2:12-13).

#19. ”Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.” (Matthew 25:34-40).
“Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.” (Matthew 25:41-46).

#20. ”His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.” (Matthew 25:21).
”And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” (Matthew 25:30).

#21. “In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.” (1 John 3:10).

#22. “He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God” (John 8:47).

#23. “But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.” (1 John 1:7) (cf. 1 John 2:9-11).

#24. “For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:20).

#25. “Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.” (Matthew 7:24-27).

#26. “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.” (Matthew 7:21).

Supplementary verse:

“For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication” (1 Thessalonians 4:3).​

#27. “And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet [Jesus], shall be destroyed from among the people.” (Acts of the Apostles 3:23).

#28. “I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.’ (John 15:5-6).

Supplementary verses:

(a) “Bring forth therefore fruits befitting for repentance” (Matthew 3:8).

(b) “And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.” (Matthew 3:10).​

#29. “And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.” (1 Peter 4:18-19).

#30. “For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.” (Galatians 6:8-9).

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I behave well because that is who I am; a reflection of Jesus.

If you are a reflection of Jesus, then you would teach the same things He taught.
Jesus warned against how sin can destroy our souls in the afterlife.
Jesus said that if one looks upon a woman in lust, their whole body can be cast into hell fire (Matthew 5:28-30).
Jesus said if we do not forgive, we will no be forgiven by the Father (Matthew 6:15).

The reason Paul writes to keep your salvation with trembling is because many experienced God's mercy but they went back to the way they were before and were disregarding God. They were like the Israelites, who saw all of God's goodness and still rebelled against Him. But when you understand the Cross, when you understand the greatness of His sacrifice, you just want to know Him more.

Please show me the Scriptures that says this.

The Bible says there are people who are weak in faith and we are not to judge them. If they need to keep certain religious acts and keep certain days, let them. What I don't agree with is when people try to drag us back into keeping commandments out of fear instead of out of respect, identity and honor.

Actually Paul was afraid for the Galatian believers in the fact that they felt that they had to keep days and years, etc.

"Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain." (Galatians 4:10-11).​

Why? Because they were seeking to be justified by the Old Law (i.e. the Law of Moses, the 613 laws given to Israel, and not the commands of Jesus and His followers).

"Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace." (Galatians 5:4).​

Circumcision Salvationism (the heresy that said you had to be circumcised first in order to be initially saved) was a problem for certain Galatian believers.

"Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing." (Galatians 5:2).​

Besides, Philippians 2:12 is not the only verse that talks about how we need to fear the Lord until we perfect love by obeying His Word (1 John 2:5).

"Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man." (Ecclesiastes 12:13).

 

[Job3315]

If you are a reflection of Jesus, then you would teach the same things He taught.
Jesus warned against how sin can destroy our souls in the afterlife.
Jesus said that if one looks upon a woman in lust, their whole body can be cast into hell fire (Matthew 5:28-30).
Jesus said if we do not forgive, we will no be forgiven by the Father (Matthew 6:15).



Please show me the Scriptures that says this.



Actually Paul was afraid for the Galatian believers in the fact that they felt that they had to keep days and years, etc.

"Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain." (Galatians 4:10-11).​

Why? Because they were seeking to be justified by the Old Law (i.e. the Law of Moses, the 613 laws given to Israel, and not the commands of Jesus and His followers).

"Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace." (Galatians 5:4).​

Circumcision Salvationism (the heresy that said you had to be circumcised first in order to be initially saved) was a problem for certain Galatian believers.

"Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing." (Galatians 5:2).​

Besides, Philippians 2:12 is not the only verse that talks about how we need to fear the Lord until we perfect love by obeying His Word (1 John 2:5).

"Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man." (Ecclesiastes 12:13).

One time I was watching a tv show and the main character was involved in some meditation stuff. I thought it was interesting and I decided to try it. That night I had a dream that a known Pastor was eating at a table with some of his friends. (Jesus disguises himself as other people in dreams so you don't freak out if you see Him) In the dream that Pastor called me and started talking to me and he noticed I had a bracelet made out of beads. He said it looked interesting. Then later in the dream I encountered the Pastor again, he was about to eat with his friends at a table and he asked me to join him. He looked at my bracelet again and he said it looked interesting and he looked at me with kind eyes. I woke up.

So I searched for information about the bracelet and I found out it was a buddhist bracelet. I didn't know, but the meditation the character was practicing had a root in buddhism. I stopped meditating that way.

Did I break a commandment? Probably. But God didn't get mad, I didn't lose my salvation, He was being a good Father and lead me to the truth. I repented and its all in past.

I understand your point of view. As I've stated before, I lived in fear, but then a relationship started developing and I started recognizing His voice. He says His sheep hear His voice and they follow Him. What you are writing is in the same Bible that I am reading, but I just know I will make mistakes, not willingly, but that He is there, that He knows me and He will guide me to the right path.

I truly believe my sins are forgiven and I can rest in Him and I live my days learning to become more like Him. Again, I never said not to follow Jesus commandments, all I am saying is to try to find the heart/the reason behind them. That way you will do them from a transformed heart instead of doing them because you have to.

I've stated all I had to say. I feel we are going in circles again and my message will stay the same because that is the revelation I've received so far. I really wish you well.

 

[Dave L]

That is Heresy.

We believe then we are saved.


Your “gospel” is backwards which says, we are saved then we believe the Gospel.


Please show me the scripture that says we are saved then we believe.



Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. Luke 8:12

• lest they should believe and be saved.

JLB

“But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.” 1 Corinthians 2:14 (KJV 1900)

You must first be born again (saved) to believe.