The Flood

[Preecher]

That's YECism for you. Stick your fingers in your ears and just proof text ad nauseum until everyone else gives up on you.

The burden of proof is upon you. Prove that God didn't mean exactly what He said.

Exodus 31:17 (KJV)
17 for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth,

 

[Assyrian]

It's still God's Word, not fables.

You seem to be confusing inspiration with literary style. Are you saying God's word cannot contain any literary styles we find in secular literature, history, genealogy, poetry?

Other than the fact one is inspired by God, how is the literary style of Aesop's fable The Fox and The Grapes different from the story of the talking trees in Judges 9:8-15?

 

[philadiddle]

The burden of proof is upon you. Prove that God didn't mean exactly what He said.

THE PILLARS OF THE EARTH
Job 9:6 - He shakes the earth out of its place, and its pillars tremble;
1 Samuel 2:8 - ...“For the pillars of the earth are the LORD’s, and He has set the world upon them.
Psalm 75:3 - The earth and all its inhabitants are dissolved; I set up its pillars firmly. Selah
All these verses say "pillars", so there must literally be pillars if the bible has to be taken literally

The bible clearly says that the earth sits on pillars. If you don't believe it then you obviously have unbelief in God. Prove that God didn't mean exactly what He said. The burden of proof is now on you.

 

[Preecher]

You seem to be confusing inspiration with literary style. Are you saying God's word cannot contain any literary styles we find in secular literature, history, genealogy, poetry?

Other than the fact one is inspired by God, how is the literary style of Aesop's fable The Fox and The Grapes different from the story of the talking trees in Judges 9:8-15?

One is God's Word, the other isn't.

 

[Preecher]

The bible clearly says that the earth sits on pillars. If you don't believe it then you obviously have unbelief in God. Prove that God didn't mean exactly what He said. The burden of proof is now on you.

Who said I don't believe it? Not I.

 

[Assyrian]

You seem to be confusing inspiration with literary style. Are you saying God's word cannot contain any literary styles we find in secular literature, history, genealogy, poetry?

Other than the fact one is inspired by God, how is the literary style of Aesop's fable The Fox and The Grapes different from the story of the talking trees in Judges 9:8-15?

One is God's Word, the other isn't.

You are still confusing inspiration with literary style. Want to try again?

 

[juvenissun]

Utter utter nonsense. It's hard to know where to begin with such unadulterated cobblers, it's so wrong I'm thinking of writing to Oxford English Press to get each of the specific words you used removed from their dictionary so that such a heinous sentence can't ever be constructed again.

Evolutionary biology, in fact any branch of science, has absolutely zero effect on the end-times no matter what your eschatology, the two things have no bearing on each other and to say Christ's second coming is anti-evolution is just teh kind of ad hoc non-sequitur we'd expect from you. And the idea that the end-times concet exists specifically as some kind of bullwark against evolution, or any branch of science, is a fundamental misunderstanding of what God 's special revelation through scripture. I'm fed up of people appropriating the Bible to preach against their pet-hates.

You seems to be upset by this simple connection of ideas. I do not know why.
The world education is becoming very secular at a very fast pace. Is this what should happen near the end time? Ask yourself why don't biology department teach TE, instead of just teach E? Without the "very important" "constant support" of God, they seems doing fine with the same version of evolution as you know it.

 

[Papias]

Ex 19:4:
Then Moses went up to God, and the LORD called to him from the mountain and said, “This is what you are to say to the descendants of Jacob and what you are to tell the people of Israel: ‘You yourselves have seen what I did to Egypt, and how I carried you on eagles’ wings and brought you to myself. Now if you obey me fully and keep my covenant, then out of all nations you will be my treasured possession.

Preecher wrote:

The burden of proof is upon you. Prove that God didn't mean exactly what He said.

Bilbo! I can see the river of the Nile below! by thunder, they're taking us to the edge of ..... Sinai forest!

YouTube - The Hobbit (1977) Part 5

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The world education is becoming very secular at a very fast pace. Is this what should happen near the end time? Ask yourself why don't biology department teach TE, instead of just teach E? Without the "very important" "constant support" of God, they seems doing fine with the same version of evolution as you know it.

And those evil atheistic calculus departments! No mention of God. And the atheistic english grammar courses! Why, in literature class, we covered all of both "walden" and "the big two hearted river" novels, with no mention of God. Imagine! I can't wait for the chemistry department to be smited by lightning, too. Doomed! All doomed! And engineering, and physiology, and ..........

 

[philadiddle]

Who said I don't believe it? Not I.

Ah so you are a troll, thanks for clarifying that.

 

[Mallon]

The burden of proof is upon you. Prove that God didn't mean exactly what He said.

Exodus 31:17 (KJV)
17 for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth,

I suppose I could point you to all the overwhelming scientific evidence from God's own creation that contradicts a 6-day creation, but I don't expect you would acknowledge it because it contradicts your interpretation of Scripture.

Anyways, it's clear you're not interested in expounding on your hermeneutical approach -- opting instead to just repeat out-of-context Bible quotes -- so I'll leave it at that.

 

[Preecher]

You are still confusing inspiration with literary style. Want to try again?

Irrelevant. God's Word is God's Word, not fables.

 

[Preecher]

Ah so you are a troll, thanks for clarifying that.

Is that your best defense?

 

[Preecher]

I suppose I could point you to all the overwhelming scientific evidence from God's own creation that contradicts a 6-day creation, but I don't expect you would acknowledge it because it contradicts your interpretation of Scripture.

Anyways, it's clear you're not interested in expounding on your hermeneutical approach -- opting instead to just repeat out-of-context Bible quotes -- so I'll leave it at that.

Answer this: If science contradicts God's Word which do you believe? If the 6 day creation is literal how would God have said it? Exactly like He did.

Exodus 31:17 (KJV)
17 for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, ...

 

[theFijian]

You seems to be upset by this simple connection of ideas. I do not know why.
The world education is becoming very secular at a very fast pace. Is this what should happen near the end time? Ask yourself why don't biology department teach TE, instead of just teach E? Without the "very important" "constant support" of God, they seems doing fine with the same version of evolution as you know it.

I told you, people like you want to appropriate and subvert the bible for your own ends. Instead of letting God's word lead you, you want to shoehorn in you own agendas.

Was God mentioned in your history class at school? Oh wait that's right you don't believe that God has any interest in human history because you are a deist. You have a problem with God constantly "upholding" the universe? Then you have a problem with the God and his revealed word.

 

[Greg1234]

Bilbo! I can see the river of the Nile below! by thunder, they're taking us to the edge of ..... Sinai forest!

YouTube - The Hobbit (1977) Part 5

Fantastic.

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And those evil atheistic calculus departments! No mention of God.

More promotion. Its a shame then, that empirical evidence is excommunicated in the name of another field of science. Oh, look at an astronomer with a telescope, no mention of molecules. Your innards are now composed of Saturn and its rings. You can also "see" the photosphere of the star regulating temperature because I spend my life putting astronomy over molecular biology just so it would have paid off in an instance like this. An instance when a propellant would be needed to circumvent the gates of testing and observation.

 

[Greg1234]

Hi,

I know the Flood isn't strictly to do with origins, but it seems quite connected to it

So my question is, the Noah's Flood was worldwide how did plants survive?

It's you who establish a connection because you think it is a way out.

 

[Greg1234]

Noah's Flood was a large local flood. As for plants, plants seem to return to areas previously flooded. In Missouri, we had what is termed a "thousand year flood" in 1993. The area has recovered quite well since then.

The are theories connecting the Great Flood with Atlantis which I find to be the most likely. An event of such proportions as recorded would have taken place within a locality, or two seperate expanses. This in itself would render it beyond a national title and would constitute the title of a Global event. Another fact is that the catastrophic effects of that event would have been felt to a lesser degree around the world, which would also render it as a global flood (with the flood title capturing both the major element involved in the cataclysm felt at the local levels, and the effects felt around the globe).

Its not of course my work but the work of others who have brought forward the event which occured from different perspectives. The most infamous source of Atlantis comes from the Dialogues of Plato which gives what appears to be a text obtained from esoteric Egyptian schools of thought and translated. From Great Atlantis Flood :

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]According to the Dialogues, the history of Atlantis, Attica and Hellas was recorded in ancient sacred Egyptian records. The Dialogues reveal that an aged Egyptian priest showed these records to a visiting Greek statesman named Solon, known as the wisest of the Seven Greek Sages and “Lawgiver” of Athens. Solon translated the records and wrote an unfinished epic poem containing all the details of these ancient civilizations. This poem was subsequently recited by Critias and recorded in The Dialogues of Plato. [/FONT]

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Not only would have the water reached the tops of mountains, but beyond that as well. There are more things within the disaster recorded from the perspective of Noah which are explained through this, but for the sake of keeping it short... In a nutshell, what this means it that the evidence for such an event is transparently clear when you peer across the Atlantic, or portions of the Pacific. Also, the geological evidence for such an event would have been buried with it, or the burial itself is the evidence. But I wouldn't say that it wasn't global, or part of a "fairy tale book" as with the Darwinian approach.

Anyways, though it may not be acceptable, it is worth considering.

 

[Greg1234]

The Bible is God's holy Word of Truth. Comparing it to fables is near blasphemous.

Completely protected though. So this is what these flood threads are built for. Another haven for the debasing of biblical authors. Instead of rising to the occasion and providing evidence for random mutational origin, the pull down everything around them. Complaining that creationists use the bible with no scientific evidence, a complacent reader will not realize that creationist in this context is actually referring to Darwinists. Somehow altering biblical texts to mean Darwinism, will lead Christians to Darwin since they follow the bible.

A sad and bitterly perverse stratagem.

 

[Mallon]

Answer this: If science contradicts God's Word which do you believe? If the 6 day creation is literal how would God have said it? Exactly like He did.

Exodus 31:17 (KJV)
17 for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, ...

And if God meant the earth literally does not move, how would He have said it? Exactly like He did:

"The world is firmly established, it will not be moved." (Ps. 93:1 & 1 Chron. 16:30)

Right? The Earth is stationary, as the the Bible says, right?
Do you see how silly your line of reasoning is? If you extend your blind insistence on strict literalism to other parts of the Bible, you can make it say all sorts of things it was never intended to. That's why we must allow ourselves to look outside the Bible to God's creation in order to allow it to inform our interpretation of the Scriptures. Otherwise your defense is completely circular.

That, and citing the creation story in order to teach a theological lesson does not require that the creation story be historical -- a point you still haven't addressed.

 

[Assyrian]

Irrelevant. God's Word is God's Word, not fables.

Again simply say it is irrelevant doesn't make it so. Does being God's word mean scripture cannot have literary styles? Do you also claim
The Psalms are the word of God not poetry?
1Chronicles 1 is the word of God not a genealogy?
The Ten Commandments are the word of God not a legal code?

Your distinction between the word of God and the literary style of fable is a false dichotomy and simply nonsense. You could not show any difference in literary style between Aesop's The Fox and the Grapes and the Talking Trees in Judges 9. Simply saying it is the word of God tells us it is a divinely inspired fable, not that it isn't a fable. Incidentally, looking through my old commentaries, Barnes, Clarke, Gill, K&D, and TSK all describe Judges 9 as a fable and apparently did not see any conflict between being a fable and being inspired by God.