The flat Earth parallel and other miscellaneous quotes

[yeshuasavedme]

However, the OP is not about whether the Bible teaches a flat earth, but comparing the recent flat earth movement to the modern YEC movement.

The Bible teaches YEC. So you want to just set up straw men to knock down and forget what God says, or what the ancients believed. I challenge the point of the OP as not a valid argument. The Bible and history prove the OP wrong.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Of course you are interpreting his work. Just because it is a mechanical literalist interpretation does not mean it isn't an interpretation. I think it is a good translation of the passage into modern idiom that conveys the feel of the original. Your problem is you are reading a meaning into 'spans the globe' that is not in the Hebrew and I suspect the translator never intended. You quote the translator's choice of phraseology as if it were the inerrant and literal word of God, the original Hebrew does not support your interpretation, and it is not even scripture.

As I said, you want to debate the translator, not me. He translated that phrase in that line as "spans the globe".

Also, in the hymns, 1QH XVI line 38 states' [...] to the sea [...] the circuit of the globe.

The hymn in the translation supports Scripture, and is written in the same inspired manner as David's Psalms. It seems to be using Enoch's revelation for an inspired psalm just as/ in the same manner as David used Enoch and Jasher to write inspired Psalms.
Jesus called Enoch's writings Scripture, in Mat 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. Mat 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
The Scripture the Sadducees did not know and which Jesus did know, is that which Enoch wrote. That the angels in heaven do not marry is in chapter 14. That we shall be one with the angels and like the angels is part of the teaching Enoch received by revelation which he spoke of in more than one place. Putting them together, we shall be like the angels.

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[yeshuasavedme]

And who are you to tell what God meant and did? Am I to choose between your understanding of God's word and John Calvin's? Not much of a choice yeshuasavedme even though I disagree with Calvin on many issues, I have a deep respect his knowledge and understanding of the word, and all that God did thorough him. Incidentally, I did say Calvin was a geocentrist, it was not over geocentrism that Calvin brought up accommodation, but the passage in Genesis where it says God placed two great lights in the firmament, they knew from astronomy in Calvin's day, this was before Copernicus came alone with heliocentrism, that Jupiter and Saturn were much bigger than the moon. God's message talking about two great lights was given in an accommodation to the astronomical knowledge of the time.

I have no new doctrine. The Word says what it says.
God did nothing through Calvin. God did not use Calvin to found the Church, nor did He use Calvin to write the last book of the Scriptures for us, nor any books of inspired Scriptres; nor is Calvin someone to emulate, as Calvin's Geneva was enslaved to the same devil as any and all are who serve religious "ists and isms", who use the sword to impose their ists and isms.
If I had been born in Geneva, I would have been burned at the stake or drowned, because I would never have believed in the god of Calvin -who is a murdering god- and would never have entered his churches nor sat under his or his ministers hours long, boring sermons; which sermons were dead and so missed the mark of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Not only that, Calvin was ignorant of Enoch because his own hero, Augustine, had been instrumental in banning Enoch hundreds of years after the Church was established, and long after the early Believers read and quoted it as Scripture. And for that reason Calvin was ignorant of the purpose of Israel and of who Jesus Christ really was and of what He came to do for all Adam [for all who die before the age of accountability and for "whosoever will" who reach the age of accountability], and for this lost world.

Enoch trumps Calvin, because Enoch is inspired; and Enoch answered all the doctrines of all false religions and false teachers in the Church millennia before they even wrote false things from their ignorance; they wrote and write things which were and are contradicted by the writings of Enoch -long before; just like the Sadducees' doctrines were long before contradicted by Enoch's writing -which writings Jesus used and quoted and preached from; about Himself as the Son of Man who was in heaven from the beginning who was to come and make an end of sin, and to whom the sum of all judgment was committed, by the Father; and the doctrine of the lake of fire; Sheol below earth; and the demons origins and their purpose in running loose on earth; and the great tribulation; and the ordinances of the heavenly hosts; -and many other things.
Enoch's revelations of these things are foundational to the Gospel of Christ and they are the foundation of the doctrines of the Book of Life, the lake of fire, Sheol beneath earth, the resurrection of the body, the Atonement which was to come for all born in Adam; The Son of Man as God, with God, who was hidden, and who was seen by Enoch as an alter ego/another same self, of the Great Glory, who is God the Word, the only Similitude of YHWH who is "Seen" by angels or any creature, and seen as He who sits on His throne in heaven -and who was seen there by Enoch.
Moses does not rewrite Enoch's doctrines but he used them in his writings, as existing facts, for the things in Enoch come up in the writings of Moses because they are just, already, "facts". Jesus used them the same way. He spoke of the doctrines that are laid out in Enoch without re-teaching those things, for Enoch told them by revelation -and there they are; facts -for anyone who wishes to read them.

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[yeshuasavedme]

Don't you think if someone was writing a Book of Jasher they would correlate it with the rest of the bible?

Moses wrote most of Jasher, with Joshua finishing it, as is testified to in Jasher; and Moses did correlate Genesis to Jasher. He redacted the information in Genesis which is explained in Jasher. He used the patriarchs' own writings to write the "Book of the Upright Record" =Jasher.
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[Assyrian]

The reason the LXX states that He set His tabvernaacle in the sun is because the Hebrew states [He] set [His] Tabernacle [in the [sun]. The Douay Rheims also translated to English from the Vulgate: He hath set His tabernacle in the sun. Translators are not inspired, and when translators translate from personal bias and concensus in ignorance and unbelief, they sin.

And the Vulgate translated the Psalm from the LXX. The Hebrew says "for.sun he-placed tent in-them". The tent is for the sun l'shemesh not in the sun.

How literally do you want to take it? Isaiah 13:5 They come from a distant land, from the end of the heavens, the weapons of his indignation, to destroy the whole land.... 17 Behold, I am stirring up the Medes against them, who have no regard for silver and do not delight in gold LORD and .

The watchers dwell at the end of the heavens. They are the mighty ones who have not fallen and who do God's will on earth. They are involved in all wars, for good or evil, against and among all nations. Gabriel fought the Prince of Persia in the heavenlies [a heavenly ruler set over Persia], and Michael came to "bind" that prince to the wriitten Word of Truth [written in heaven], and then the earthly king of Persia -Cyrus- aided Israel's return.
Daniel 10:21 "I will show you what is noted/written/inscribed in the Scripture of Truth and one binds with me in these things, Michael, your prince. Daniel 11 and 12 are what were written in the Scripture of Truth which the angel showed Daniel about his people which would come, to the end. -Those things were written no place on earth before the angel told them to Daniel, yet the angel told Daniel they were written in the Scripture of Truth. Enoch saw and read the heavenly tablets, which were written for the angels to read about what would befall Adamkind, to the end of this creation.

Where does that say the watchers come from the end of the heavens? And what has that to do wit the Medes (from Persia or Afghanistan) coming from the ends of the heavens?

Enoch saw it all and exlained it all., by revelation from God. who sent Enoch on a tour of the heavens and the earth [the visible and invisable, to us, earth] by His archangels. Adam was still alive when Enoch received the tour of the heavens and the earth, and the tour of Sheol beneath earth and of chaos -the lake of fire- outside the heavens.
Noah received the writings of Enoch and took them on the Ark.
Abram read from the book of Enoch to the Egyptians when they brought Sarai back and they asked him to teach them wisdom and understanding, as the testament of his life which Abraham wrote, states; and that part is in the DSS in the section labeled the Genesis Apocryphon.
The Egyptians worshipped Amen, the hidden God in heaven, of whom Enoch saw in secret, in heaven, as" the alter ego/another same self" of the Great Glory; and Enoch wrote of Him who was the Son of Man in heaven, was with God and was who God, and who was to come, die, rise, make an end of sin, and redeem the earth and Adam kind and to regenerate all in heaven and in earth and to unite them back with the Father , who is YHWH "not seen" -ever.
The Egyptians turned His truth into a lie; but in Rev 3, Jesus Christ states that He is "the Amen, the faithful and true Witness". One day [after the time of the tribulation], the Egyptians who are of the sheep Gentiles at the end, and be one withthose of Israel who escape the Rod of His wrath at His coming [Ezeliel 20:33-44], along with the Assyrians who are of the sheep Gentiles.

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Where does the book of Enoch ever explain Relativity? The laws of motion? The force that keeps the solar system in motion? The sizes of the sun moon and planets?

As I said, you want to debate the translator, not me. He translated that phrase in that line as "spans the globe".

In other words you don't have an answer. You don't know why the translator used globe to translate tebel, and you can't deal with the Hebrew. Tebel does not mean a sphere.

Also, in the hymns, 1QH XVI line 38 states' [...] to the sea [...] the circuit of the globe.

The hymn in the translation supports Scripture, and is written in the same inspired manner as David's Psalms. It seems to be using Enoch's revelation for an inspired psalm just as/ in the same manner as David used Enoch and Jasher to write inspired Psalms.

Not much point in bringing up another globe reference if you have not dealt with the first one. You don't even tell us what the Hebrew is.

Jesus called Enoch's writings Scripture, in Mat 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. Mat 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
The Scripture the Sadducees did not know and which Jesus did know, is that which Enoch wrote. That the angels in heaven do not marry is in chapter 14. That we shall be one with the angels and like the angels is part of the teaching Enoch received by revelation which he spoke of in more than one place. Putting them together, we shall be like the angels.

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You should read the passage further and see what Jesus refers to as scripture.
Matt 22:29 But Jesus answered them, "You are wrong, because you know neither the Scriptures nor the power of God.
30 For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.
31 And as for the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what was said to you by God:
32 'I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'? He is not God of the dead, but of the living."
That is Exodus 3:6 he is quoting as the word of God, not the book of Enoch.

Now the resurrection is an idea Jesus, his disciples, and even the Pharisees had in common with the book of Enoch, but that is because it is a doctrine that had grown up in Judaism over the previous few centuries. and was still controversial, as we see from the Sadducees rejection of it. If the book of Enoch was written in this period as scholar believe, then there is no reason it should not share the same doctrine of the resurrection that was common among the Jews of the time. This is the same problem you have with showing a round earth in the DSS. You need evidence that clearly comes from earlier than Greek research into the shape of the earth.

I have no new doctrine. The Word says what it says.
God did nothing through Calvin. God did not use Calvin to found the Church, nor did He use Calvin to write the last book of the Scriptures for us, nor any books of inspired Scriptres; nor is Calvin someone to emulate, as Calvin's Geneva was enslaved to the same devil as any and all are who serve religious "ists and isms", who use the sword to impose their ists and isms.

God didn't use you to either. Why should I trust what you say God meant, and how you say God was speaking, rather than listen to what a man of God like Calvin learned about God and his word, who frankly makes more sense to me?

If I had been born in Geneva, I would have been burned at the stake or drowned, because I would never have believed in the god of Calvin -who is a murdering god- and would never have entered his churches nor sat under his or his ministers hours long, boring sermons; which sermons were dead and so missed the mark of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Not only that, Calvin was ignorant of Enoch because his own hero, Augustine, had been instrumental in banning Enoch hundreds of years after the Church was established, and long after the early Believers read and quoted it as Scripture. And for that reason Calvin was ignorant of the purpose of Israel and of who Jesus Christ really was and of what He came to do for all Adam [for all who die before the age of accountability and for "whosoever will" who reach the age of accountability], and for this lost world.

Enoch was left out of Jewish and Christian canons long before Augustine

Enoch trumps Calvin, because Enoch is inspired; and Enoch answered all the doctrines of all false religions and false teachers in the Church millennia before they even wrote false things from their ignorance; they wrote and write things which were and are contradicted by the writings of Enoch -long before; just like the Sadducees' doctrines were long before contradicted by Enoch's writing -which writings Jesus used and quoted and preached from; about Himself as the Son of Man who was in heaven from the beginning who was to come and make an end of sin, and to whom the sum of all judgment was committed, by the Father; and the doctrine of the lake of fire; Sheol below earth; and the demons origins and their purpose in running loose on earth; and the great tribulation; and the ordinances of the heavenly hosts; -and many other things.
Enoch's revelations of these things are foundational to the Gospel of Christ and they are the foundation of the doctrines of the Book of Life, the lake of fire, Sheol beneath earth, the resurrection of the body, the Atonement which was to come for all born in Adam; The Son of Man as God, with God, who was hidden, and who was seen by Enoch as an alter ego/another same self, of the Great Glory, who is God the Word, the only Similitude of YHWH who is "Seen" by angels or any creature, and seen as He who sits on His throne in heaven -and who was seen there by Enoch.
Moses does not rewrite Enoch's doctrines but he used them in his writings, as existing facts, for the things in Enoch come up in the writings of Moses because they are just, already, "facts". Jesus used them the same way. He spoke of the doctrines that are laid out in Enoch without re-teaching those things, for Enoch told them by revelation -and there they are; facts -for anyone who wishes to read them.

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Wrong for two reasons. Enoch is a later work of Jewish apocalyptic fiction. Even if it was scripture. it would not 'trump Calvin' because the discussion wia about how God speaks through his word and to interpret scripture, and the choice here is between your literalism and Calvin and Augustine's understanding of how God accommodated the way he presented his message to the understanding of the people he was speaking to.

Moses wrote most of Jasher, with Joshua finishing it, as is testified to in Jasher; and Moses did correlate Genesis to Jasher. He redacted the information in Genesis which is explained in Jasher. He used the patriarchs' own writings to write the "Book of the Upright Record" =Jasher.
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Actually you don't know that Moses wrote Jasher, just that it was an ancient chronicle of Israelite history referred to by the writers of Joshua and 1Samuel. Your book of Jasher claims it was written by Moses, but we have no way of knowing it is the book of Jasher referred to in the bible, rather than a much later work of fiction that simply claims to be the real Jasher. How many books of Jasher are there anyway?

 

[Assyrian]

While a very interesting argument, what does any of this have to do with the OP?

Good question. I think literalists only think their particular doctrines are supported by literal interpretation.

So YECs think a six day creation is supported by a literal interpretation of the bible. But of course geocentrism and a flat earth are completelty unsupported. Geocentrist think a six day creation and geocentrism are the plain literal meaning of scripture, but the bible never say the eartyh is flat.
While flat earthers think/thought the plain literal meaning of scripture was six day creation, geocentrism and a flat earth.

 

[AV1611VET]

But of course geocentrism and a flat earth are completelty unsupported.

Geocentric is a scientific hypothesis, based on [scientific] observation with the naked eye. Isolate anyone from society and chances are they will come to this conclusion, based on empirical observation --- in other words, scientifically.

On the other hand, isolate someone from observation (that is, science), and put them in a room with just a Bible, and they may conclude that the universe is geocentric.

Notice my bias here:

• scientifically = chances are they will conclude
• Biblically = may conclude

Science makes the final determination in this area, and there is no contradiction of Scripture, as Scripture is not teaching geocentrism.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

And the Vulgate translated the Psalm from the LXX. The Hebrew says "for.sun he-placed tent in-them". The tent is for the sun l'shemesh not in the sun.

No it does not. the Hebrew says "set tabernacle sun"=[He] set [His] dwelling place [in the] sun.
suwm 1) to put, place, set, appoint, make
'ohel b) dwelling, home, habitation
shemesh a) sun

Where does that say the watchers come from the end of the heavens?

Isa 13:3 I have commanded my sanctified/holy [ones[, I have also called my mighty/gibor [ones[ for mine anger, [even] them that rejoice in my highness/majesty.
Isa 13:4 The noise of a multitude in the mountains, like as of a great people; a tumultuous noise of the kingdoms of nations gathered together: the LORD of hosts mustereth the host of the battle.
Isa 13:5 They come from a far country, from the end of heaven, [even] YHWH, and the weapons of his indignation, to destroy the whole land.
Isa 13:6 Howl ye; for the day of YHWH [is] at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.


Jer 4:16 Make ye mention to the nations; behold, publish against Jerusalem, [that] watchers come from a far country, and give out their voice against the cities of Judah.
Jer 4:17 As keepers of a field, are they against her round about; because she hath been rebellious against me, saith the LORD.


Dan 4:17 This matter [is] by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men.

And what has that to do wit the Medes (from Persia or Afghanistan) coming from the ends of the heavens?

The Medes and Assyrians were aided by Watchers -not for the Assyrians, but against Israel.

Isa 10:5 "Woe to Assyria, the rod of My anger
And the staff in whose hand is My indignation.
Isa 10:6 I will send him against an ungodly nation,
And against the people of My wrath
I will give him charge,
To seize the spoil, to take the prey,
And to tread them down like the mire of the streets.


God's Holy Ones, His Mighty ones, the Gibor, the Watchers, [who did not fall] are always involved in God's decreed judgments and deliverances. They also are the rulers and intercessors who did not fall.

Jos 5:13 And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted his eyes and looked, and behold, a Man stood opposite him with His sword drawn in His hand. And Joshua went to Him and said to Him, "Are You for us or for our adversaries?"
Jos 5:14 So He said, "No, but as Commander of the army of the LORD I have now come." And Joshua fell on his face to the earth and worshiped, and said to Him, "What does my Lord say to His servant?"
Jos 5:15 Then the Commander of the LORD's army said to Joshua, "Take your sandal off your foot, for the place where you stand is holy." And Joshua did so.

1 Enoch 39: 3 And in those days a whirlwind carried me off from the earth,
And set me down at the end of the heavens.
4 And there I saw another vision, the dwelling-places of the holy,
And the resting-places of the righteous.
5 Here mine eyes saw their dwellings with His righteous angels,
And their resting-places with the holy.
And they petitioned and interceded and prayed for the children of men,
And righteousness flowed before them as water,
And mercy like dew upon the earth:
Thus it is amongst them for ever and ever.

6a And in that place mine eyes saw the Elect One of righteousness and of faith,
7a And I saw his dwelling-place under the wings of the Lord of Spirits.
6b And righteousness shall prevail in his days,
And the righteous and elect shall be without number before Him for ever and ever.
7b And all the righteous and elect before Him shall be strong as fiery lights,
And their mouth shall be full of blessing,
And their lips extol the name of the Lord of Spirits,
And righteousness before Him shall never fail,
[And uprightness shall never fail before Him.]
8 There I wished to dwell,
And my spirit longed for that dwelling-place:
And there heretofore hath been my portion,
For so has it been established concerning me before the Lord of Spirits.
9 In those days I praised and extolled the name of the Lord of Spirits with blessings and praises, because He hath destined me for blessing and glory according to the good pleasure of the Lord of 10 Spirits. For a long time my eyes regarded that place, and I blessed Him and praised Him, saying: 'Blessed is He, and may He be blessed from the beginning and for evermore. And before Him there is no ceasing. He knows before the world was created what is for ever and what will be from 12 generation unto generation. Those who sleep not bless Thee: they stand before Thy glory and bless, praise, and extol, saying: "Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord of Spirits: He filleth the earth with 3 spirits."' And here my eyes saw all those who sleep not: they stand before Him and bless and say: 'Blessed be Thou, and blessed be the name of the Lord for ever and ever.' And my face was changed; for I could no longer behold.

 

[Assyrian]

No it does not. the Hebrew says "set tabernacle sun"=[He] set [His] dwelling place [in the] sun.
suwm 1) to put, place, set, appoint, make
'ohel b) dwelling, home, habitation
shemesh a) sun

Your analysis is missing the preposition. If you are using a Strong's linked bible, they don't always show these. The Psalm does not say shemesh but l'shemesh for the sun.

Isa 13:3 I have commanded my sanctified/holy [ones[, I have also called my mighty/gibor [ones[ for mine anger, [even] them that rejoice in my highness/majesty.
Isa 13:4 The noise of a multitude in the mountains, like as of a great people; a tumultuous noise of the kingdoms of nations gathered together: the LORD of hosts mustereth the host of the battle.
Isa 13:5 They come from a far country, from the end of heaven, [even] YHWH, and the weapons of his indignation, to destroy the whole land.
Isa 13:6 Howl ye; for the day of YHWH [is] at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.


Jer 4:16 Make ye mention to the nations; behold, publish against Jerusalem, [that] watchers come from a far country, and give out their voice against the cities of Judah.
Jer 4:17 As keepers of a field, are they against her round about; because she hath been rebellious against me, saith the LORD.


Dan 4:17 This matter [is] by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men.

We have the Medes coming from a distant land from the end of the heavens to destroy Babylon in Isaiah 13. Then you throw in a verse about watchers, or besiegers in modern translations, attacking Jerusalem. I don't know what that has to do with the Medes in Isaiah 13, but you then confuse these watchers or besiegers with the watchers in Dan 4, which is a completely different word in a different language.

The Medes and Assyrians were aided by Watchers -not for the Assyrians, but against Israel.

The Medes attacked babylon. and Whether they were aided by angelic watchers or not, Isaiah says the Medes came from the end of the heavens.

Isa 10:5 "Woe to Assyria, the rod of My anger
And the staff in whose hand is My indignation.
Isa 10:6 I will send him against an ungodly nation,
And against the people of My wrath
I will give him charge,
To seize the spoil, to take the prey,
And to tread them down like the mire of the streets.

Isaiah 19:23 In that day there will be a highway from Egypt to Assyria, and Assyria will come into Egypt, and Egypt into Assyria, and the Egyptians will worship with the Assyrians.
24 In that day Israel will be the third with Egypt and Assyria, a blessing in the midst of the earth,
25 whom the LORD of hosts has blessed, saying, "Blessed be Egypt my people, and Assyria the work of my hands, and Israel my inheritance."

God's Holy Ones, His Mighty ones, the Gibor, the Watchers, [who did not fall] are always involved in God's decreed judgments and deliverances. They also are the rulers and intercessors who did not fall.

You need to be careful, while angels are sometimes referred to as mighty, the ordinary meaning of gibor is a mighty human warrior.

H1368
גּבּר גּבּור
gibbôr gibbôr
ghib-bore', ghib-bore'
Intensive from the same as H1397; powerful; by implication warrior, tyrant: - champion, chief, X excel, giant, man, mighty (man, one), strong (man), valiant man.

Jos 5:13 And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted his eyes and looked, and behold, a Man stood opposite him with His sword drawn in His hand. And Joshua went to Him and said to Him, "Are You for us or for our adversaries?"
Jos 5:14 So He said, "No, but as Commander of the army of the LORD I have now come." And Joshua fell on his face to the earth and worshiped, and said to Him, "What does my Lord say to His servant?"
Jos 5:15 Then the Commander of the LORD's army said to Joshua, "Take your sandal off your foot, for the place where you stand is holy." And Joshua did so.

What has that got to do with anything?

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Matt 22:29 But Jesus answered them, "You are wrong, because you know neither the Scriptures nor the power of God.
30 For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.
31 And as for the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what was said to you by God:
32 'I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'? He is not God of the dead, but of the living."
That is Exodus 3:6 he is quoting as the word of God, not the book of Enoch.

Now the resurrection is an idea Jesus, his disciples, and even the Pharisees had in common with the book of Enoch, but that is because it is a doctrine that had grown up in Judaism over the previous few centuries. and was still controversial, as we see from the Sadducees rejection of it. If the book of Enoch was written in this period as scholar believe, then there is no reason it should not share the same doctrine of the resurrection that was common among the Jews of the time. This is the same problem you have with showing a round earth in the DSS. You need evidence that clearly comes from earlier than Greek research into the shape of the earth.

The first part of Jesus' rebuke is that they err not knowing the Scriptures that teach that the angels in heaven do not marry and that those who attain the resurrection to life are then as the angels. there.
There is no Scripture that teaches this fact but that which is written by inspiration. by Enoch. First, that the angels do not marry:

1 Enoch 14:8
And the vision was shown to me thus: Behold, in the vision clouds invited me and a mist summoned me, and the course of the stars and the lightnings sped and hastened me, and the winds in 9 the vision caused me to fly and lifted me upward, and bore me into heaven.
And I went in till I drew nigh to a wall which is built of crystals and surrounded by tongues of fire: and it began to affright 10 me.
And I went into the tongues of fire and drew nigh to a large house which was built of crystals: and the walls of the house were like a tesselated floor (made) of crystals, and its groundwork was 11 of crystal.

Its ceiling was like the path of the stars and the lightnings, and between them were 12 fiery cherubim, and their heaven was (clear as) water. A flaming fire surrounded the walls, and its 13 portals blazed with fire.
And I entered into that house, and it was hot as fire and cold as ice: there 14 were no delights of life therein: fear covered me, and trembling got hold upon me.
And as I quaked 15 and trembled, I fell upon my face.
And I beheld a vision, And lo! there was a second house, greater 16 than the former, and the entire portal stood open before me, and it was built of flames of fire.
And in every respect it so excelled in splendour and magnificence and extent that I cannot describe to 17 you its splendour and its extent.
And its floor was of fire, and above it were lightnings and the path 18 of the stars, and its ceiling also was flaming fire.
And I looked and saw therein a lofty throne: its appearance was as crystal, and the wheels thereof as the shining sun, and there was the vision of 19 cherubim.
And from underneath the throne came streams of flaming fire so that I could not look 20 thereon.
And the Great Glory sat thereon, and His raiment shone more brightly than the sun and 21 was whiter than any snow.
None of the angels could enter and could behold His face by reason 22 of the magnificence and glory and no flesh could behold Him.
The flaming fire was round about Him, and a great fire stood before Him, and none around could draw nigh Him: ten thousand times 23 ten thousand (stood) before Him, yet He needed no counselor.
And the most holy ones who were 24 nigh to Him did not leave by night nor depart from Him.
And until then I had been prostrate on my face, trembling: and the Lord called me with His own mouth, and said to me: ' Come hither, 25 Enoch, and hear my word.' And one of the holy ones came to me and waked me, and He made me rise up and approach the door: and I bowed my face downwards.
[Chapter 15]
1 And He answered and said to me, and I heard His voice: 'Fear not, Enoch, thou righteous 2 man and scribe of righteousness: approach hither and hear my voice. And go, say to the Watchers of heaven, who have sent thee to intercede for them: "You should intercede" for men, and not men 3 for you: Wherefore have ye left the high, holy, and eternal heaven, and lain with women, and defiled yourselves with the daughters of men and taken to yourselves wives, and done like the children 4 of earth, and begotten giants (as your) sons? And though ye were holy, spiritual, living the eternal life, you have defiled yourselves with the blood of women, and have begotten (children) with the blood of flesh, and, as the children of men, have lusted after flesh and blood as those also do who die 5 and perish. Therefore have I given them wives also that they might impregnate them, and beget 6 children by them, that thus nothing might be wanting to them on earth. But you were formerly 7 spiritual, living the eternal life, and immortal for all generations of the world. And therefore I have not appointed wives for you; for as for the spiritual ones of the heaven, in heaven is their dwelling. 8
And now, the giants, who are produced from the spirits and flesh, shall be called evil spirits upon 9 the earth, and on the earth shall be their dwelling. Evil spirits have proceeded from their bodies; because they are born from men and from the holy Watchers is their beginning and primal origin; 10 they shall be evil spirits on earth, and evil spirits shall they be called. [As for the spirits of heaven, in heaven shall be their dwelling, but as for the spirits of the earth which were born upon the earth, on the earth shall be their dwelling.] And the spirits of the giants afflict, oppress, destroy, attack, do battle, and work destruction on the earth, and cause trouble: they take no food, but nevertheless 12 hunger and thirst, and cause offences. And these spirits shall rise up against the children of men and against the women, because they have proceeded from them.

That those who attain the resurrection to life will be one with the angels and be like them is the concept taught throughout the book of the "wisdom of God" written by Enoch, for all his descendents to come, on the face of the earth.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Your analysis is missing the preposition. If you are using a Strong's linked bible, they don't always show these. The Psalm does not say shemesh but l'shemesh for the sun.

No, the ancient text states only "[He] set ]His] tabernacle [in the] sun. Thats why the Douay Rheims version Psalm 18:6 translates the words as "He hath set His tabernacle in the sun"

the ancient Hebrew says "set tabernacle sun"=[He] set [His] dwelling place [in the] sun.
suwm 1) to put, place, set, appoint, make
'ohel b) dwelling, home, habitation
shemesh a) sun

In the Anti-Nicene Fathers volume 8, There is an ancient discussion of the passage in the Psalm translated as "in the sun He hath set His tabernacle" -taken from the Septuagint, probably. The author seeks a meaning other than that which is plain, but nevertheless, the Hebrew is translated as "in the sun He hath set His tabernacle".

http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf08.iv.iii.html
Excerpts of Theodotus; or,
Selections from the Prophetic Scriptures.
...
LV. The stars, spiritual bodies, that have communications with the angels set over them, and are governed by them, are not the cause of the production of things, but are signs of what is taking place, and will take place, and have taken place in the case of atmospheric changes, of fruitfulness and barrenness, of pestilence and fevers, and in the case of men. The stars do not in the least degree exert influences, but indicate what is, and will be, and has been.
LVI. “And in the sun hath He set His tabernacle.” There is a transposition here. For it is of the second coming that the discourse is. So, then, we must read what is transposed in its due sequence: “And he, as a bridegroom issuing from his chamber, will rejoice as a giant to run his way. From heaven’s end is his going forth; and there is no one who shall hide himself from his heat;” and then, “He hath set His tabernacle in the sun.”

 

[yeshuasavedme]

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Where in Enoch ...The force that keeps the solar system in motion? ...The sizes of the sun moon

The Force =The Word of His Oath; Enoch 69
Sizes of the sun and moon: Enoch 72; 78
http://www.ccel.org/c/charles/otpseudepig/enoch.htm

Chapter 2 , Chapter 17, Chapter 18, 41, also deal with the forces/spirits of His creation.

18 1 I saw the treasuries of all the winds: I saw how He had furnished with them the whole creation 2 and the firm foundations of the earth. And I saw the corner-stone of the earth: I saw the four 3 winds which bear [the earth and] the firmament of the heaven. And I saw how the winds stretch out the vaults of heaven, and have their station between heaven and earth: these are the pillars 4 of the heaven. I saw the winds of heaven which turn and bring the circumference of the sun and 5 all the stars to their setting. I saw the winds on the earth carrying the clouds: I saw the paths 6 of the angels. I saw at the end of the earth the firmament of the heaven above. And I proceeded and saw a place which burns day and night, where there are seven mountains of magnificent stones, ..

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[Chapter 41]
3 And there mine eyes saw the secrets of the lightning and of the thunder, and the secrets of the winds, how they are divided to blow over the earth, and the secrets of the clouds and dew, and there 4 I saw from whence they proceed in that place and from whence they saturate the dusty earth. And there I saw closed chambers out of which the winds are divided, the chamber of the hail and winds, the chamber of the mist, and of the clouds, and the cloud thereof hovers over the earth from the 5 beginning of the world. And I saw the chambers of the sun and moon, whence they proceed and whither they come again, and their glorious return, and how one is superior to the other, and their stately orbit, and how they do not leave their orbit, and they add nothing to their orbit and they take nothing from it, and they keep faith with each other, in accordance with the oath by which they 6 are bound together. And first the sun goes forth and traverses his path according to the commandment 7 of the Lord of Spirits, and mighty is His name for ever and ever. And after that I saw the hidden and the visible path of the moon, and she accomplishes the course of her path in that place by day and by night-the one holding a position opposite to the other before the Lord of Spirits.
And they give thanks and praise and rest not;
For unto them is their thanksgiving rest.

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69 . And this is the power of this oath, for it is powerful and strong, and he placed this oath Akae in the hand of Michael.
16 And these are the secrets of this oath . . .
And they are strong through his oath:
And the heaven was suspended before the world was created,
And for ever.
17 And through it the earth was founded upon the water,
And from the secret recesses of the mountains come beautiful waters,
From the creation of the world and unto eternity.
18 And through that oath the sea was created,

And as its foundation He set for it the sand against the time of (its) anger,
And it dare not pass beyond it from the creation of the world unto eternity.
9 And through that oath are the depths made fast,
And abide and stir not from their place from eternity to eternity.
20 And through that oath the sun and moon complete their course,
And deviate not from their ordinance from eternity to eternity.
21 And through that oath the stars complete their course,
And He calls them by their names,
And they answer Him from eternity to eternity.
22 [And in like manner the spirits of the water, and of the winds, and of all zephyrs, and (their) paths 23 from all the quarters of the winds. And there are preserved the voices of the thunder and the light of the lightnings: and there are preserved the chambers of the hail and the chambers of the 24 hoarfrost, and the chambers of the mist, and the chambers of the rain and the dew. And all these believe and give thanks before the Lord of Spirits, and glorify (Him) with all their power, and their food is in every act of thanksgiving: they thank and glorify and extol the name of the Lord of Spirits for ever and ever.]
25 And this oath is mighty over them
And through it [they are preserved and] their paths are preserved,
And their course is not destroyed.
26 And there was great joy amongst them,
And they blessed and glorified and extolled
Because the name of that Son of Man had been revealed unto them.
27 And he sat on the throne of his glory,
And the sum of judgement was given unto the Son of Man,
And he caused the sinners to pass away and be destroyed from off the face of the earth,
And those who have led the world astray.
28 With chains shall they be bound,
And in their assemblage-place of destruction shall they be imprisoned,
And all their works vanish from the face of the earth.
29 And from henceforth there shall be nothing corruptible;
For that Son of Man has appeared,
And has seated himself on the throne of his glory,
And all evil shall pass away before his face,
And the word of that Son of Man shall go forth
And be strong before the Lord of Spirits.

72...and-thirty mornings, and sets in the west of the heaven. 32 On that day the night decreases and amounts to nine parts, and the day to nine parts, and the night 33 is equal to the day and the year is exactly as to its days three hundred and sixty-four. And the length of the day and of the night, and the shortness of the day and of the night arise-through the course 34 of the sun these distinctions are made (lit. ' they are separated '). So it comes that its course becomes 35 daily longer, and its course nightly shorter. And this is the law and the course of the sun, and his return as often as he returns sixty times and rises, i.e. the great luminary which is named the sun, for ever and ever. And that which (thus) rises is the great luminary, and is so named according to 37 its appearance, according as the Lord commanded. As he rises, so he sets and decreases not, and rests not, but runs day and night, and his light is sevenfold brighter than that of the moon; but as regards size they are both equal.

[Chapter 78]
1, 2 And the names of the sun are the following: the first Orjares, and the second Tomas. And the moon has four names: the first name is Asonja, the second Ebla, the third Benase, and the fourth 3 Erae. These are the two great luminaries: their circumference is like the circumference of the 4 heaven, and the size of the circumference of both is alike.

. In other words you don't have an answer. You don't know why the translator used globe to translate tebel, and you can't deal with the Hebrew. Tebel does not mean a sphere.

Tebel can most certainly mean the sphere of the earth -the globe. That is why the translator translated it so -but again, you must go debate him, not me. Your problem is that you do not want it to mean globe. But it does.

 

[Assyrian]

The first part of Jesus' rebuke is that they err not knowing the Scriptures that teach that the angels in heaven do not marry and that those who attain the resurrection to life are then as the angels. there.
There is no Scripture that teaches this fact but that which is written by inspiration. by Enoch. First, that the angels do not marry:

That those who attain the resurrection to life will be one with the angels and be like them is the concept taught throughout the book of the "wisdom of God" written by Enoch, for all his descendents to come, on the face of the earth.

There is a lot hinted at in the OT, Dan 12:2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. 3 And those who are wise shall shine like the brightness of the sky above; and those who turn many to righteousness, like the stars forever and ever. Remember stars were a picture of angels from the morning stars singing at the creation of the world to the heavenly host, which means both the stars of the night sky and the angelic army of the Lord of Hosts. We see it in Rev 1:20 too, the seven stars are the angels of the seven churches. Daniel says that in the resurrection we will have everlasting incorruptible life and be like the stars. Icandescent balls of plasma? Or angels? Certainly that is how Jesus took it. There was also the understanding that angels are spirits, not flesh and blood. Psalm 104:4 He makes His angels spirits, His ministers a flaming fire. Then you have the teaching in scripture that marriage and sex are part of our being flesh and blood, 'become one flesh'. If angels are spirits, how can they have sex and become one flesh? If we are going to be like the angels in the resurrection how can we marry and have sex? It was all there in the OT for the Jews to tease out these doctrines, which they did in the centuries before Christ. Enoch was written in this context by Jews who shared the same theology as Jesus and Martha.

But when Jesus quoted scripture to the Sadducees, he was answering, not their quibble about marriage, but the deeper issue of their denial of the resurrection, and he answered it by quoting the bible, Exodus, not the book of Enoch.

No, the ancient text states only "[He] set ]His] tabernacle [in the] sun. Thats why the Douay Rheims version Psalm 18:6 translates the words as "He hath set His tabernacle in the sun"
the ancient Hebrew says "set tabernacle sun"=[He] set [His] dwelling place [in the] sun.
suwm 1) to put, place, set, appoint, make
'ohel b) dwelling, home, habitation
shemesh a) sun

In the Anti-Nicene Fathers volume 8, There is an ancient discussion of the passage in the Psalm translated as "in the sun He hath set His tabernacle" -taken from the Septuagint, probably. The author seeks a meaning other than that which is plain, but nevertheless, the Hebrew is translated as "in the sun He hath set His tabernacle".

Are you saying the Hebrew text is wrong?

The Force =The Word of His Oath; Enoch 69
Sizes of the sun and moon: Enoch 72; 78
http://www.ccel.org/c/charles/otpseudepig/enoch.htm

Chapter 2 , Chapter 17, Chapter 18, 41, also deal with the forces/spirits of His creation.

Well he certainly got the size of the sun and moon wrong. As for explaning the forces that keep the solat system in motion, "The Word of His Oath" is just a label it says noting about the realtionship between the force and the masses of the objects and their distance apart, the direction their force acts, the relationship between the force, the mass of the objects and their acceleration, or the way their motion is affected by the relativistic bending of space time due to the mass of the sun. How can you say Enoch explained it all when he didn't explain any of the science?

Tebel can most certainly mean the sphere of the earth -the globe. That is why the translator translated it so -but again, you must go debate him, not me. Your problem is that you do not want it to mean globe. But it does.

You are the one I am debating with. Stop hiding behind the translator. The word in hebrew means wet. It is used for the fertile inhabited part of the earth and for the whole earth, but how does that mean sphere? We know the whole earth is a sphere and read it back into the OT description of the whole earth. But the shape is not there in the Hebrew. I am afraid the wishful thinking is all yours. You want the Israelites to have known the earth was a sphere, and cling to any obscure translation you can find to support it. It isn't even a Psalm from the bible.

But the word tebel is used quite often in the Psalms, You find it in our old friend Psalm 19, which is a Psalm of David.
Psalm 19:4 Their measuring line goes out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them he has set a tent for the sun. Unfortunately it usually translated world or whole world not globe.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

There is a lot hinted at in the OT, Dan 12:2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. 3 And those who are wise shall shine like the brightness of the sky above; and those who turn many to righteousness, like the stars forever and ever. Remember stars were a picture of angels from the morning stars singing at the creation of the world to the heavenly host, which means both the stars of the night sky and the angelic army of the Lord of Hosts. We see it in Rev 1:20 too, the seven stars are the angels of the seven churches. Daniel says that in the resurrection we will have everlasting incorruptible life and be like the stars. Icandescent balls of plasma? Or angels? Certainly that is how Jesus took it. There was also the understanding that angels are spirits, not flesh and blood. Psalm 104:4 He makes His angels spirits, His ministers a flaming fire. Then you have the teaching in scripture that marriage and sex are part of our being flesh and blood, 'become one flesh'. If angels are spirits, how can they have sex and become one flesh? If we are going to be like the angels in the resurrection how can we marry and have sex? It was all there in the OT for the Jews to tease out these doctrines, which they did in the centuries before Christ. Enoch was written in this context by Jews who shared the same theology as Jesus and Martha.

But when Jesus quoted scripture to the Sadducees, he was answering, not their quibble about marriage, but the deeper issue of their denial of the resurrection, and he answered it by quoting the bible, Exodus, not the book of Enoch....

You go to great lengths to disprove the Scriptures, when the Scriptures themselves are so straightforward themselves.

In the Scriptures it is written that angels/ ben Elohym [sons of God] married, but they married bath Adam [daughters of Adam[ Genesis 6:2], and they left their habitation in heaven to marry them on earth [Enoch 6; Jude 6]; so where is it written that in heaven the angels do not marry? -Only in Enoch. Jesus called Enoch’s writings Scriptures.
Jesus said the Sadducees erred, not knowing the Scriptures which teach plainly that in heaven the angels do not marry, and that in the resurrection those who attain to the resurrection of life will be like/equal with the angels.
Angels did marry, but they left heaven to do so, but in heaven they do not marry.

1 Enoch Chapter 6
1 And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born unto 2 them beautiful and comely daughters. And the angels, the children of the heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another: 'Come, let us choose us wives from among the children of men 3 and beget us children.' And Semjaza, who was their leader, said unto them: 'I fear ye will not 4 indeed agree to do this deed, and I alone shall have to pay the penalty of a great sin.' And they all answered him and said: 'Let us all swear an oath, and all bind ourselves by mutual imprecations 5 not to abandon this plan but to do this thing.' Then sware they all together and bound themselves 6 by mutual imprecations upon it. And they were in all two hundred; who descended in the days of Jared on the summit of Mount Hermon, and they called it Mount Hermon, because they had sworn 7 and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it. And these are the names of their leaders: Samlazaz, their leader, Araklba, Rameel, Kokablel, Tamlel, Ramlel, Danel, Ezeqeel, Baraqijal, 8 Asael, Armaros, Batarel, Ananel, Zaq1el, Samsapeel, Satarel, Turel, Jomjael, Sariel [Armen missing in this list of twenty chiefs, but is in chapter 69, written by Noah; and in 69 Turel is listed twice]. These are their chiefs of tens.


1 Enoch:15
1 And He answered and said to me, and I heard His voice: 'Fear not, Enoch, thou righteous 2 man and scribe of righteousness: approach hither and hear my voice. And go, say to the Watchers of heaven, who have sent thee to intercede for them: "You should intercede" for men, and not men 3 for you: Wherefore have ye left the high, holy, and eternal heaven, and lain with women, and defiled yourselves with the daughters of men and taken to yourselves wives, and done like the children 4 of earth, and begotten giants (as your) sons? And though ye were holy, spiritual, living the eternal life, you have defiled yourselves with the blood of women, and have begotten (children) with the blood of flesh, and, as the children of men, have lusted after flesh and blood as those also do who die 5 and perish. Therefore have I given them wives also that they might impregnate them, and beget 6 children by them, that thus nothing might be wanting to them on earth. But you were formerly 7 spiritual, living the eternal life, and immortal for all generations of the world. And therefore I have not appointed wives for you; for as for the spiritual ones of the heaven, in heaven is their dwelling
Jud 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

1 Enoch 15: 8 And now, the giants, who are produced from the spirits and flesh, shall be called evil spirits upon 9 the earth, and on the earth shall be their dwelling. Evil spirits have proceeded from their bodies; because they are born from men and from the holy Watchers is their beginning and primal origin; 10 they shall be evil spirits on earth, and evil spirits shall they be called. [As for the spirits of heaven, in heaven shall be their dwelling, but as for the spirits of the earth which were born upon the earth, on the earth shall be their dwelling.] And the spirits of the giants afflict, oppress, destroy, attack, do battle, and work destruction on the earth, and cause trouble: they take no food, but nevertheless 12 hunger and thirst, and cause offences. And these spirits shall rise up against the children of men and against the women, because they have proceeded from them.
[Chapter 16]
1 From the days of the slaughter and destruction and death of the giants, from the souls of whose flesh the spirits, having gone forth, shall destroy without incurring judgement -thus shall they destroy until the day of the consummation, the great judgement in which the age shall be 2 consummated, over the Watchers and the godless, yea, shall be wholly consummated." And now as to the watchers who have sent thee to intercede for them, who had been aforetime in heaven, (say 3 to them): "You have been in heaven, but all the mysteries had not yet been revealed to you, and you knew worthless ones, and these in the hardness of your hearts you have made known to the women, and through these mysteries women and men work much evil on earth." 4 Say to them therefore: " You have no peace."'

I have to answer your posts one point at a time, as the posts are way-y-y too long otherwise.
I'm trying to catch up, one at a time.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Are you saying the Hebrew text is wrong?

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Are you referencing a changed Hebrew Text? I have a Hebrew-English JPS interlinear that is useless for the original Hebrew, as the translators messed with the texts to make it "easier to understand" -according to their own bias' of course, which makes the Hebrew and the English nonsense for any useful purpose as to what the doctrine of the Word is, in so many prophetic texts.

The ancient text states only "[He] set ]His] tabernacle [in the] sun. Thats why the Douay Rheims version Psalm 18:6 translates the words as "He hath set His tabernacle in the sun"
the ancient Hebrew says "set tabernacle sun"=[He] set [His] dwelling place [in the] sun.
suwm 1) to put, place, set, appoint, make
'ohel b) dwelling, home, habitation
shemesh a) sun

In the Anti-Nicene Fathers volume 8, There is an ancient discussion of the passage in the Psalm translated as "in the sun He hath set His tabernacle" -taken from the Septuagint, probably. The author seeks a meaning other than that which is plain, but nevertheless, the Hebrew is translated as "in the sun He hath set His tabernacle". http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf08.iv.iii.html -Excerpts of Theodotus

LVI. “And in the sun hath He set His tabernacle.” There is a transposition here. For it is of the second coming that the discourse is. So, then, we must read what is transposed in its due sequence: “And he, as a bridegroom issuing from his chamber, will rejoice as a giant to run his way. From heaven’s end is his going forth; and there is no one who shall hide himself from his heat;” and then, “He hath set His tabernacle in the sun.”

Your way is nonsense too, as you deny that the sun runs the circuit of the entire heaven and that nothing is hid from the heat of it, in the entire heaven.
You want a sitting still, fixed sun; but the Scriptures state that the sun races over its appointed pathway, covering the entire heaven, from one end to the other ,and returns to its place and does it again, daily.

The only sense of the passage is that which the ancients translated it as, from the Hebrew: "in the sun He hath set His tabernacle" [as above referenced in the anti-nicene ]; and "He hath set His taberncalce in the sun"; Douay Rheims Psalm 18:6. http://www.newadvent.org/bible/psa018.htm

6 He hath set his tabernacle in the sun: and he as a bridegroom coming out of his bridechamber, Hath rejoiced as a giant to run the way:
7 His going out is from the end of heaven, And his circuit even to the end thereof: and there is no one that can hide himself from his heat.

"Douay Rheims translated from the Latin Vulgate
Diligently Compared with the Hebrew, Greek,
and Other Editions in Divers Languages

First Published by the English College at Douay
A.D. 1609 & 1610";
So the Septuagint, the Vulgate, the Douay Rheims, all state "HE set His taberncale in the sun"; and the ancient writings of Theodotus [a rambling gnostic] tries to make a different meaning of what He means when He states "In the sun He hath set His tabernacle". That proves that the Scripture was translated from the Hebrew of old times to "He hath set His tabernacle in the sun".

 

[yeshuasavedme]

You are the one I am debating with. Stop hiding behind the translator. The word in hebrew means wet. It is used for the fertile inhabited part of the earth and for the whole earth, but how does that mean sphere? We know the whole earth is a sphere and read it back into the OT description of the whole earth. But the shape is not there in the Hebrew. I am afraid the wishful thinking is all yours. You want the Israelites to have known the earth was a sphere, and cling to any obscure translation you can find to support it. It isn't even a Psalm from the bible.

But the word tebel is used quite often in the Psalms, You find it in our old friend Psalm 19, which is a Psalm of David.
Psalm 19:4 Their measuring line goes out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them he has set a tent for the sun. Unfortunately it usually translated world or whole world not globe.

That is a translator bias. The word can be translated globe instead of world. Obviously Martinez means globe because the word means globe -and when he also translates "the circuit of the globe" it also means the circumference or circle of the globe. Translators are not inspired - and they are biased, and they may pick one word when another would tell the true story because they don't believe the true story.

Here's a potion of Hannah's psalm of praise, in which she praised YHWH inteligently and with understanding because she was a student of Enoch's writings -practically her whole psalm of praise comes from the revelations of Enoch, and from nowhere else.

1Sa 2:8 He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, [and] lifteth up the beggar from the dunghill, to set [them] among princes, and to make them inherit the throne of glory: for the pillars of the earth [are] the LORD'S, and he hath set the globeupon them.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H8398&t=KJV

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You have another problem in not believing God's Word in that when YHWH speaks of His judgements to come in the OT, for the inhabitants of the whole globe, you want it to not be for the dwellers of the entire earth after all, to accomodate your own bias against His declared Word.
You're letting the Olmecs and all the western continents' inhabitants and the inhabitants of all the islands of the seas off, from the judgments of God, because you don't believe God has spoken to all the inhabitants of the whole globe, by His prophets of old.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

NEBUCHADNEZZAR, king of kings, ruler of all the inhabitants of the globe wherever Adam, beasts or fowl dwelt, wrote this letter for all the inhabitants of the whole globe. The Olmecs and all the inhabitants of all the western continents and the inhabitants of all the islands of the seas received their own copy of this proclamation:

Dan 4:1 NEBUCHADNEZZAR the king,

To all peoples, nations, and languages that dwell in all the earth:
Peace be multiplied to you.
I thought it good to declare the signs and wonders that the Most High God has worked for me.
How great are His signs,
And how mighty His wonders!
His kingdom is an everlasting kingdom,
And His dominion is from generation to generation.

I, Nebuchadnezzar, was at rest in my house, and flourishing in my palace.
I saw a dream which made me afraid, and the thoughts on my bed and the visions of my head troubled me.
Therefore I issued a decree to bring in all the wise men of Babylon before me, that they might make known to me the interpretation of the dream.
http://www.blueletterbible.org/tools/printerFriendly.cfm?b=Dan&c=4&t=NKJV&x=13&y=13# Then the magicians, the astrologers, the Chaldeans, and the soothsayers came in, and I told them the dream; but they did not make known to me its interpretation.
But at last Daniel came before me (his name is Belteshazzar, according to the name of my god; in him is the Spirit of the Holy God), and I told the dream before him, saying:
"Belteshazzar, chief of the magicians, because I know that the Spirit of the Holy God is in you, and no secret troubles you, explain to me the visions of my dream that I have seen, and its interpretation.
"These were the visions of my head while on my bed:
I was looking, and behold,
A tree in the midst of the earth,
And its height was great.
The tree grew and became strong;
Its height reached to the heavens,
And it could be seen to the ends of all the earth.
Its leaves were lovely,
Its fruit abundant,
And in it was food for all.
The beasts of the field found shade under it,
The birds of the heavens dwelt in its branches,
And all flesh was fed from it.
"I saw in the visions of my head while on my bed, and there was a watcher, a holy one, coming down from heaven.
He cried aloud and said thus:
'Chop down the tree and cut off its branches,
Strip off its leaves and scatter its fruit.
Let the beasts get out from under it,
And the birds from its branches.
Nevertheless leave the stump and roots in the earth,
Bound with a band of iron and bronze,
In the tender grass of the field.
Let it be wet with the dew of heaven,
And let him graze with the beasts
On the grass of the earth.
Let his heart be changed from that of a man,
Let him be given the heart of a beast,
And let seven times pass over him.

'This decision is by the decree of the watchers,
And the sentence by the word of the holy ones,
In order that the living may know
That the Most High rules in the kingdom of men,
Gives it to whomever He will,
And sets over it the lowest of men.'

"This dream I, King Nebuchadnezzar, have seen. Now you, Belteshazzar, declare its interpretation, since all the wise men of my kingdom are not able to make known to me the interpretation; but you are able, for the Spirit of the Holy God is in you."

Then Daniel, whose name was Belteshazzar, was astonished for a time, and his thoughts troubled him. So the king spoke, and said, "Belteshazzar, do not let the dream or its interpretation trouble you." Belteshazzar answered and said,
"My lord, may the dream concern those who hate you, and its interpretation concern your enemies!
The tree that you saw, which grew and became strong, whose height reached to the heavens and which could be seen by all the earth,
http://www.blueletterbible.org/tools/printerFriendly.cfm?b=Dan&c=4&t=NKJV&x=13&y=13# whose leaves were lovely and its fruit abundant, in which was food for all, under which the beasts of the field dwelt, and in whose branches the birds of the heaven had their home--
http://www.blueletterbible.org/tools/printerFriendly.cfm?b=Dan&c=4&t=NKJV&x=13&y=13# it is you, O king, who have grown and become strong; for your greatness has grown and reaches to the heavens, and your dominion to the end of the earth.
And inasmuch as the king saw a watcher, a holy one, coming down from heaven and saying, 'Chop down the tree and destroy it, but leave its stump and roots in the earth, bound with a band of iron and bronze in the tender grass of the field; let it be wet with the dew of heaven, and let him graze with the beasts of the field, till seven times pass over him';
this is the interpretation, O king, and this is the decree of the Most High, which has come upon my lord the king:
They shall drive you from men, your dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field, and they shall make you eat grass like oxen. They shall wet you with the dew of heaven, and seven times shall pass over you, till you know that the Most High rules in the kingdom of men, and gives it to whomever He chooses.
And inasmuch as they gave the command to leave the stump and roots of the tree, your kingdom shall be assured to you, after you come to know that Heaven rules.
Therefore, O king, let my advice be acceptable to you; break off your sins by being righteous, and your iniquities by showing mercy to the poor. Perhaps there may be a lengthening of your prosperity."

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tools/printerFriendly.cfm?b=Dan&c=4&t=NKJV&x=13&y=13# All this came upon King Nebuchadnezzar.
http://www.blueletterbible.org/tools/printerFriendly.cfm?b=Dan&c=4&t=NKJV&x=13&y=13# At the end of the twelve months he was walking about the royal palace of Babylon.
The king spoke, saying, "Is not this great Babylon, that I have built for a royal dwelling by my mighty power and for the honor of my majesty?"
While the word was still in the king's mouth, a voice fell from heaven: "King Nebuchadnezzar, to you it is spoken: the kingdom has departed from you!
And they shall drive you from men, and your dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field. They shall make you eat grass like oxen; and seven times shall pass over you, until you know that the Most High rules in the kingdom of men, and gives it to whomever He chooses."
http://www.blueletterbible.org/tools/printerFriendly.cfm?b=Dan&c=4&t=NKJV&x=13&y=13# That very hour the word was fulfilled concerning Nebuchadnezzar; he was driven from men and ate grass like oxen; his body was wet with the dew of heaven till his hair had grown like eagles' feathers and his nails like birds' claws.

And at the end of the time I, Nebuchadnezzar, lifted my eyes to heaven, and my understanding returned to me; and I blessed the Most High and praised and honored Him who lives forever:

For His dominion is an everlasting dominion,
And His kingdom is from generation to generation.
All the inhabitants of the globe are reputed as nothing;
He does according to His will in the army of heaven
And among the inhabitants of the earth.
No one can restrain His hand
Or say to Him, "What have You done?"

At the same time my reason returned to me, and for the glory of my kingdom, my honor and splendor returned to me. My counselors and nobles resorted to me, I was restored to my kingdom, and excellent majesty was added to me.
Now I, Nebuchadnezzar, praise and extol and honor the King of heaven, all of whose works are truth, and His ways justice. And those who walk in pride He is able to put down.

 

[Jadis40]

The thing is, again, that the sun doesn't orbit anything. The sun is the center of the solar system, and only appears to rise and set because of the rotation of the earth as the earth orbits around the sun. That goes back to the basic undeniable fact that when it's daytime here, it's nighttime on the other side of the globe.

The problem is in using the ancient Hebrew cosmology as reality, when it's not:

http://sol.sci.uop.edu/~jfalward/ThreeTieredUniverse.htm

 

[yeshuasavedme]

The thing is, again, that the sun doesn't orbit anything. The sun is the center of the solar system, and only appears to rise and set because of the rotation of the earth as the earth orbits around the sun. That goes back to the basic undeniable fact that when it's daytime here, it's nighttime on the other side of the globe.

The problem is in using the ancient Hebrew cosmology as reality, when it's not:

Enoch is not a Hebrew, and he is the ancestor of every human being on earth; and Noah took his writings on the Ark and all men knew the truth, and turned the truth into a lie -Romans 1.
Enoch gave all the world the ordinances of heaven. We have part of them in 1 Enoch, a fuller version is in the dead Sea Scrolls, and perhaps more will be found in the rest of the DSS.

And again; you are writing your own bible in complete contradiction to the revealed Word of God. Jesus Christ -who is YHWH the Word- created the Light on day one, and called it morning and divided the light from the darkness which He called night. The light was made before the sun which governs it was made. The sun was made and set in the heaven below the waters above the heaven which He divided from the waters below the heaven, and set them in that heaven on day four -with the moon and the stars.

 

[Jadis40]

I'm not writing anything in contradiction. Jesus Christ himself said that knowledge will increase. We just have more knowledge now that we, in fact, do live in a heliocentric solar system. The earth rotates around the sun. Galileo and Copernicus are right.

Nothing that Enoch wrote makes any difference to me, since it's not considered to be Canonical scripture.

Also, Assyrian is right in pointing out that Enoch was wrong when he thought that the sun and moon are the same size:

Diameter of the sun: 1.392 ×109 m (109 earths)
Equatorial radius of the moon: 1 738.14 km (0.273 Earths)