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The First Resurrection

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Who is part of the first resurrection spoken of in Rev.20?

They have had at least the opportunity to refuse the mark of the beast.
They have been killed by the beast.
They are the first to rise and be with Christ.
They are the Dead in Christ.
They live and reign with Him for 1000 years on earth.
 

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Its regeneration, being made alive spiritually. Rev 20 is following the pattern of Jn 5

First in John 5 you have spiritual resurrection spoken by Christ here Jn 5:

Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.[spiritual resurrection, the First]

The second one is here Jn 5:

28Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

29And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

All those who died before Christ return who partook of the First resurrection of Jn 5 25, will be raise up together with those who will experience the resurrection of damnation at the second coming, because they partook of the First resurrection in Jn 5 25..
 
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This does not speak of the first resurrection declared in Rev. 20.
These are those who have been killed by the beast. Only they rise in the first resurrection,
the rest of the dead are not raised until the thousand years are over.

The question is: who are these people?

I cannot make you understand the Truth, so be it..
 
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Its regeneration, being made alive spiritually. Rev 20 is following the pattern of Jn 5

First in John 5 you have spiritual resurrection spoken by Christ here Jn 5:

Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.[spiritual resurrection, the First]

Who are these dead?

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The second one is here Jn 5:

28Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,



29And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

All those who died before Christ return who partook of the First resurrection of Jn 5 25,

How can they partake in something that has not happened yet?
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will be raise up together with those who will experience the resurrection of damnation at the second coming, because they partook of the First resurrection in Jn 5 25..


Those who died before Christ's return, who partook of the first resurrection, will be raised with those who will experience the first resurrection??

What does this mean?
 
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Those who died before Christ's return, who partook of the first resurrection, will be raised with those who will experience the first resurrection??

What does this mean?

It means they had been saved, then died a natural death, and when Christ returns they will be raised up as the dead in Christ shall rise first.
 
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Who is part of the first resurrection spoken of in Rev.20?

They have had at least the opportunity to refuse the mark of the beast.
They have been killed by the beast.
They are the first to rise and be with Christ.
They are the Dead in Christ.
They live and reign with Him for 1000 years on earth.

I think they are exactly who the chapter tells us that they are... those who would not worship the beast or his image.. and who were killed for not worshipping him.. as Rev 13 tells us.

The beast which Christ destroys at His coming, as described in Rev 19 and 2 Thess 2.
 
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Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Dan 7:22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

Dan 7:27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

Are these 2 passages parallel? If so then we can know that the first resurrection is for all of the dead saints. Revelation 20:4 does not limit those resurrected to only martyrs.


Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

John sees more than just martyrs but he identifies the martyrs specifically. This does not mean that the saints who died before would not be resurrected as well. We also have I Cor 15 and I Thess 4 which further lets us know that all of the dead in Christ will be resurrected together and not some in one batch and some in another batch. Also in the resurrection there, there is no mention of the wicked being resurrected in that company. This is not strange since there is only THE resurrection of life and THE resurrection of damnation.
 
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Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Dan 7:22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

Dan 7:27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

Are these 2 passages parallel? If so then we can know that the first resurrection is for all of the dead saints. Revelation 20:4 does not limit those resurrected to only martyrs.


Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

John sees more than just martyrs but he identifies the martyrs specifically. This does not mean that the saints who died before would not be resurrected as well. We also have I Cor 15 and I Thess 4 which further lets us know that all of the dead in Christ will be resurrected together and not some in one batch and some in another batch. Also in the resurrection there, there is no mention of the wicked being resurrected in that company. This is not strange since there is only THE resurrection of life and THE resurrection of damnation.

Daniel does correlate nicely with the Revelation... especially notice that chapter 12 of Rev aligns perfectly with Daniel 12... and Daniel 12 concerns the 'time of the end' when Daniel's people shall be delivered... which is exactly what Rev 12 is about.

Rev 4-22 concern future events, and pertains to the portion of the book concerning the things which shall be hereafter.
 
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Daniel does correlate nicely with the Revelation... especially notice that chapter 12 of Rev aligns perfectly with Daniel 12... and Daniel 12 concerns the 'time of the end' when Daniel's people shall be delivered... which is exactly what Rev 12 is about.

Rev 4-22 concern future events, and pertains to the portion of the book concerning the things which shall be hereafter.

So was all of Daniel 7 fulfilled before John's day?
 
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How could it be..? It speaks of the resurrection of the dead... and Christ's Kingdom on earth, which are both future events.

I am very sorry. I misread your previous post. You said Daniel correlates very nicely with Revelation and I somehow saw Daniel does NOT correlate very nicely with Revelation so my mistake.

But Daniel 7 mentions a kingdom which is set up in heaven and not on earth.
 
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Although I am not a Dispensationalist, the First Resurrection in Revelation 20 is VERY much a literal, physical resurrection, and is the same "first" resurrection as described in 1 Thess 4:16 which states:

"For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first." (1 Thess 4:16)

"Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power." (Rev 20:6)​

The First Resurrection, is the Resurrection of the Righteous at the Second Coming, and when all the saints are raptured and caught up into the clouds to be taken to reign with Christ for 1000 years in the New Jerusalem in heaven.

At the Second Coming, all the wicked are destroyed by Christ's brightness (See 1 Thess 5:2,3). This is the "first death". The wicked die the "first death" by either dying before Jesus Comes, or dying by His brightness if they are still alive when He comes. So if the saints are all raptured into the clouds to be taken to heaven, and all the wicked are destroyed, that leaves 0 people on the earth, except Satan bound to this desolated, void, earth with no one to tempt or manipulate for 1000 years. Contrary to popular opinion, this earth will be depopulated during the millennium. The wicked are "left dead" on the earth, while ALL the saints are taken to heaven for 1000 years. These wicked dead are the "rest of the dead" that "lived not again until the thousand years are finished" (Rev 20:5)

At the end of the 1000 years, Christ, the New Jerusalem, and all the saints return to the earth. All the wicked that ever lived are "resurrected". This is the Second Resurrection, or should I say, the resurrection of the wicked for God to hold the Great White Throne Judgment. Satan deceives these wicked nations to besiege the New Jerusalem, that "beloved city".

When fire comes down from heaven, all the wicked that ever lived (who were resurrected) are "cast in" the lake of fire that is formed by the raining fire that covers the breadth of the earth. This is the "Second Death". Why is it the "second death"? Because all the wicked died once before! (prior to the Millennium)

1. First Resurrection = Resurrection of ALL the righteous

2. 1000 years = desolation/emptiness of the earth, the "abussos", or "bottomless pit" (abyss)

3. Second Resurrection = Resurrection of ALL the wicked (to face the "second death")

While the Dispensationalists and Futurists have a strong tendency to "literalize" everything, the Covenantalists (especially Calvinists) swing the pendulum to the opposite direction (instead of striking a balance) and spiritualize away the First Resurrection.

I believe this is WRONG. I believe BOTH Dispensationalists and Covenantalists (many Preterists) are wrong.

Both Preterism and Futurism were developed by Catholic Jesuits.

If you guys want balanced theology, that was recognized by ALL our founding Protestant Fathers, including Calvin himself, look no further than Historicism.
 
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I am a big fan of the historicism, I think I've seen some of your post on the "late "prophecy talk" website, and am in agreement with you, on almost every part especially the literal interpretation of Rev. 20:4 as being those in the first and only first resurrection of the just. what is your interpretation of the three beast that were allowed to live Daniel 7:12, after Christ coming we see He destroys the beast and false prophet, and all who took the mark and worshipped the beast and his image, yet we see that many nations still in existance, I'm wondering if there are nations and people as decribed in Daniel 11:42 who will escape the hand of the antichrist, and will be allowed to live a bit longer, and those wicked as described being destroyed at Jesus coming are those who allied themselves with the beast and false prophet, who took the mark and worshiped the beast and his image? and the rest are allowed to live out there lives and die natural deaths waiting for their judgement at the end of days, the end of the satans last and final attempt to decieve the world? I'm open to any enlightenment to this via scripture, whats your thoughts?
 
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I am a big fan of the historicism, I think I've seen some of your post on the "late "prophecy talk" website, and am in agreement with you, on almost every part especially the literal interpretation of Rev. 20:4 as being those in the first and only first resurrection of the just. what is your interpretation of the three beast that were allowed to live Daniel 7:12, after Christ coming we see He destroys the beast and false prophet, and all who took the mark and worshipped the beast and his image, yet we see that many nations still in existance, I'm wondering if there are nations and people as decribed in Daniel 11:42 who will escape the hand of the antichrist, and will be allowed to live a bit longer, and those wicked as described being destroyed at Jesus coming are those who allied themselves with the beast and false prophet, who took the mark and worshiped the beast and his image? and the rest are allowed to live out there lives and die natural deaths waiting for their judgement at the end of days, the end of the satans last and final attempt to decieve the world? I'm open to any enlightenment to this via scripture, whats your thoughts?

I'll be sure to get back to you on this brother. I appreciate your attitude/openness. Talk to you soon as possible! =]
 
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Who is part of the first resurrection spoken of in Rev.20?

They have had at least the opportunity to refuse the mark of the beast.
They have been killed by the beast.
They are the first to rise and be with Christ.
They are the Dead in Christ.
They live and reign with Him for 1000 years on earth.

MY COMMENTS: I believe those in this first (former) resurrection are not only those who have been murdered by the beast, but also all the righteous from Abraham on who have died, even righteous Gentile proselytes to Judaism.

NOTE: I added "former" in parentheses, because it is more correct. There have been other resurrections recorded in Scripture, so this one isn't the first.

Daniel prophecys of this in Daniel 12:2 "And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life....." This taking place some 75 days after Christ's return at the end of the 7 years tribulation (Daniel's 70th week).

"...and some to shame and everlasting contempt." These will be resurrected to be judged before the great white throne by Christ Jesus after the millennium, as set forth in Rev. 20:11-15.

I agree with some of your views:

They have refused the mark of the beast.
They have been killed by the beast.
They live and reign with Messiah Jesus for the millennium.

It is my understanding that the church/body of Christ will be the first body of believers to rise and be with Christ (1 Cor. 15:51-55; 1 Thes. 5:15-17).

The term "dead in Christ" may apply to them, though no Scrpture states this; but Paul uses the term a number of times referring to those in the body of Christ who have died.
So, I would not call them the "Dead in Christ."

Bick
 
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