The first resurection

[shilohsfoal]

Revelation of Jesus Christ was written around 96 ad. In this book of prophecy John wrote of the first resurection of a select group of people who were killed because they were preaching the gospel of Jesus and testifying of him much like Paul or Peter were killed.

Revelation 20:4 Then I saw the thrones, and those seated on them had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image, and had not received its mark on their foreheads or hands. And they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

Now I would like to ask those of you who believe this resurrection of the martyrs has already been fulfilled. Can you point to me any documented proof that these martyrs of Christ has been raised from the dead from 96 ad to the present day?

 

[Dave L]

Revelation of Jesus Christ was written around 96 ad. In this book of prophecy John wrote of the first resurection of a select group of people who were killed because they were preaching the gospel of Jesus and testifying of him much like Paul or Peter were killed.

Revelation 20:4 Then I saw the thrones, and those seated on them had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image, and had not received its mark on their foreheads or hands. And they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

Now I would like to ask those of you who believe this resurrection of the martyrs has already been fulfilled. Can you point to me any documented proof that these martyrs of Christ has been raised from the dead from 96 ad to the present day?

I see this in the passage. Satan is bound by the gospel from deceiving the nations for a symbolic 1000 years = much time. Those whom God resurrects in the New Birth reign with Christ in heaven as the body of Christ for this duration. Some become martyrs. The New Birth is the first resurrection.

 

[shilohsfoal]

I see this in the passage. Satan is bound by the gospel from deceiving the nations for a symbolic 1000 years = much time. Those whom God resurrects in the New Birth reign with Christ in heaven as the body of Christ for this duration. Some become martyrs. The New Birth is the first resurrection.

The verse doesn't mention Satan. It is speaking of people who have been killed for preaching of Jesus.
So you have no documented proof that such a resurection of those who have been killed has taken place?

 

[Dave L]

The verse doesn't mention Satan. It is speaking of people who have been killed for preaching of Jesus.
So you have no documented proof that such a resurection of those who have been killed has taken place?

Read the context.

 

[shilohsfoal]

Read the context.

I did. Those who were beheaded for their witness of Jesus.It means they were killed because they were testifying of Christ. Why would you call them Satan?
Revelation 20:4 Then I saw the thrones, and those seated on them had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image, and had not received its mark on their foreheads or hands. And they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

 

[Dave L]

I did. Those who were beheaded for their witness of Jesus.It means they were killed because they were testifying of Christ. Why would you call them Satan?
Revelation 20:4 Then I saw the thrones, and those seated on them had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image, and had not received its mark on their foreheads or hands. And they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

You are missing the point. The new birth happens so the already dead human spirit can believe.

 

[shilohsfoal]

You are missing the point. The new birth happens so the already dead human spirit can believe.

So you are saying these people who were killed because they were preaching the gospel were never killed for preaching the gospel?Do you also say Paul and Peter were not killed for preaching the gospel?
Revelation 20:4 Then I saw the thrones, and those seated on them had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image, and had not received its mark on their foreheads or hands. And they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
That's like saying the verse is a lie is it not?

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[Dave L]

So you are saying these people who were killed because they were preaching the gospel were never killed for preaching the gospel?
Revelation 20:4 Then I saw the thrones, and those seated on them had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image, and had not received its mark on their foreheads or hands. And they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
That's like saying the verse is a lie is it not?

You are not reading it inline with the rest of scripture on the matter.

 

[eleos1954]

Revelation of Jesus Christ was written around 96 ad. In this book of prophecy John wrote of the first resurection of a select group of people who were killed because they were preaching the gospel of Jesus and testifying of him much like Paul or Peter were killed.

Revelation 20:4 Then I saw the thrones, and those seated on them had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image, and had not received its mark on their foreheads or hands. And they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

Now I would like to ask those of you who believe this resurrection of the martyrs has already been fulfilled. Can you point to me any documented proof that these martyrs of Christ has been raised from the dead from 96 ad to the present day?

it says those who had been beheaded .... also says and includes those who had not worshipped the beast and it's image .... and that hasn't happened yet. This is inclusive of all the saved that get resurrection when Jesus returns ... all the saved are resurrected together from the grave.

 

[Dave L]

it says those who had been beheaded .... also says and includes those who had not worshipped the beast and it's image .... and that hasn't happened yet. This is inclusive of all the saved that get resurrection when Jesus returns ... all the saved are resurrected together from the grave.

You can make it say whatever you like. That's how it works these days.

 

[shilohsfoal]

You are not reading it inline with the rest of scripture on the matter.

Yes I'm reading it in line. But I'm not going to confuse those who are killed because they were preaching Jesus with Satan. They are not the same.

 

[shilohsfoal]

You can make it say whatever you like. That's how it works these days.

Youve tried to make it say those who were killed, then came back to life were never alive to begin with but your failed to convince me the text was a lie. It still says those who were beheaded for their testimony of Jesus came back to life and it still does.

Revelation 20:4 Then I saw the thrones, and those seated on them had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image, and had not received its mark on their foreheads or hands. And they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

 

[Dave L]

Youve tried to make it say those who were killed, then came back to life were never alive to begin with but your failed to convince me the text was a lie. It still says those who were beheaded for their testimony of Jesus came back to life and it still does.

Revelation 20:4 Then I saw the thrones, and those seated on them had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image, and had not received its mark on their foreheads or hands. And they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

You are interpreting it. Not knowing how other scriptures affect your interpretation.

 

[Dave L]

Yes I'm reading it in line. But I'm not going to confuse those who are killed because they were preaching Jesus with Satan. They are not the same.

You can insist all you want. It does not make it true.

 

[shilohsfoal]

You can insist all you want. It does not make it true.

Where, right here it is. They were beheaded for their testimony of Jesus. Do you know of anyone who was killed because they were testifying of Jesus?
Do you know what it means to be beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus?
Revelation 20:4 Then I saw the thrones, and those seated on them had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image, and had not received its mark on their foreheads or hands. And they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

 

[Dave L]

Where, right here it is. They were beheaded for their testimony of Jesus. Do you know of anyone who was killed because they were testifying of Jesus?
Revelation 20:4 Then I saw the thrones, and those seated on them had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image, and had not received its mark on their foreheads or hands. And they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

But you do not know what the first resurrection is. You think you know based on that scripture alone.

 

[shilohsfoal]

But you do not know what the first resurrection is. You think you know based on that scripture alone.

Do you know what it means to be beheaded for testifying of Christ?

Revelation 20:4 Then I saw the thrones, and those seated on them had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image, and had not received its mark on their foreheads or hands. And they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

 

[Dave L]

Do you know what it means to be beheaded for testifying of Christ?

Revelation 20:4 Then I saw the thrones, and those seated on them had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image, and had not received its mark on their foreheads or hands. And they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

But that's not the reason for the first resurrection. It was the first resurrection that got them killed.

 

[shilohsfoal]

it says those who had been beheaded .... also says and includes those who had not worshipped the beast and it's image .... and that hasn't happened yet. This is inclusive of all the saved that get resurrection when Jesus returns ... all the saved are resurrected together from the grave.

Those who were beheaded could also be those who did not worship the beast or its image.

Revelation 20:4 Then I saw the thrones, and those seated on them had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image, and had not received its mark on their foreheads or hands. And they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

 

[sovereigngrace]

Revelation of Jesus Christ was written around 96 ad. In this book of prophecy John wrote of the first resurection of a select group of people who were killed because they were preaching the gospel of Jesus and testifying of him much like Paul or Peter were killed.

Revelation 20:4 Then I saw the thrones, and those seated on them had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image, and had not received its mark on their foreheads or hands. And they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

Now I would like to ask those of you who believe this resurrection of the martyrs has already been fulfilled. Can you point to me any documented proof that these martyrs of Christ has been raised from the dead from 96 ad to the present day?

Hades was emptied after the first resurrection. Jesus defeated sin, death, Hades and Satan through his first Advent. The dead in Christ now reign in heaven with Christ.