The Final Experiment (Flat Earth Bites The Dust)

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

God's creation is very important to me.

No offence, but your commentary in this thread and the others I've seen you take part in show otherwise.

 

[Strong in Him]

I will look & read but i'll never believe b/c of what it say's in the Bible (God's inspired word).

The Bible does NOT teach flat earth - even you have said this.

 

[Apple Sky]

The Bible does NOT teach flat earth - even you have said this.

No but it indicates towards this.

 

[Strong in Him]

No but it indicates towards this.

So you ridicule science experiments you don't understand, you call eyewitness accounts fake and the Flat Earthers who witnessed them, liars; you have been told that you could do certain things which would indeed show that the earth is a globe, you say that you will ask God to help you accept a Globe earth, and then go back on that - all because the Bible "indicates towards" the earth being flat?
In your previous post you said that it was what the Bible says, now you have admitted that it doesn't.

For your own sake, please learn about Biblical interpretation.

 

[Apple Sky]

For your own sake, please learn about Biblical interpretation.

I have done & God still points to a flat/level earth.

 

[Strong in Him]

I have done & God still points to a flat/level earth.

He doesn't.
If he did, he would be contradicting the scientists who have their gifts and abilities only because he gave them.
He would be denying/contradicting what he has allowed people to discover about his creation in their travels to other countries, Antarctica and even the moon. He, the Truth and source of all truth and all knowledge, could be contradicted by mere men/women - the created would become greater than the Creator.
If God "pointed to" a flat earth that would give non Christians even more reason not to believe - they could prove God wrong. And it's not a matter of having faith. The earth is either a sphere/globe or a 40,000 ft deep disc (though you haven't explained how that could be possible.) Unfortunately for you, the former position can be proved.

 

[contratodo]

They would need to go down past Union Glacier, that is close to the coast, they just went straight down from Chile stopping not far from the coastline. Proof that there is no end, would be well beyond Union Glacier.

A plane circumnavigating north to south and back, live streaming the whole way could prove any roundness.
But that does not happen because it is not possible.

 

[prodromos]

A plane circumnavigating north to south and back, live streaming the whole way could prove any roundness.
But that does not happen because it is not possible.

It does not happen because it is not necessary. The 24 hour sun in Antarctica proves the earth cannot be flat and matches perfectly with what is predicted for the globe.

 

[trophy33]

A plane circumnavigating north to south and back, live streaming the whole way could prove any roundness.
But that does not happen because it is not possible.

For example the ISS is live streaming its orbiting the Earth, but you do not care, because you want to make more and more requirements to push the facts away.

 

[contratodo]

It does not happen because it is not necessary. The 24 hour sun in Antarctica proves the earth cannot be flat and matches perfectly with what is predicted for the globe.

It should be a 24 hour non moving sun, a constant light from generally the same place, what is shown is a moving sun.

For example the ISS is live streaming its orbiting the Earth, but you do not care, because you want to make more and more requirements to push the facts away.

That stream does not show the whole entire globe. We only see the same thing anyone can see from what is called 'low earth orbit'.
That stream provides no real proof, a fish eye lens looking out at 'low earth orbit' gives the same result.

A view from the window of the space station, the condolla, I think they call it, a live view from that window
showing a rocket ship exit earths atmosphere would be some decent proof that everything is real.
But everything is fake so they can't show you any concrete evidence.

They use parabolic airplane dives to accomplish "zero-g" for some minutes, and edit those minuets together to make it
seem like one continuous time. They also uses harnesses to fake "zero-g" and cgi to edit out the harness even in live video,
nasa is a stated corporate client of zfxflying, a profressional stage harness company, zfxflying . com/about-zfx/

"Space is the final frontier but it's made in a hollywood basement."

 

[trophy33]

That stream does not show the whole entire globe. We only see the same thing anyone can see from what is called 'low earth orbit'.

Because the Earth is so big that you would need to be far away from the orbit to see it whole. And the ISS must stay on the orbit. However, the ISS stream shows a curved Earth, a part of the globe, without any doubt.

The rest of your post is such a conspiracy theory salad that its not even worth reading.

 

[contratodo]

Because the Earth is so big that you would need to be far away from the orbit to see it whole. And the ISS must stay on the orbit. However, the ISS stream shows a curved Earth, a part of the globe, without any doubt.

Fish eye lens causes the bending of the video.
Where do the supposed 13,000 satellites orbit? Why does the live stream never see a satellite?
Or planet is orbited by a ring of 13,000 satellites?

Have you heard of the Parker solar probe?
They supposedly sent a probe to the sun, 93 million miles away supposedly, and that probe is now orbiting the sun
and sending data back from 93 million miles away, do you believe that?

Now if they can do that, how is it we can't get a live view of the whole entire supposed globe spinning?

I'm going to tell you something dear one, they do have a probe orbiting the sun,
the sun is right where we see it, and it is getting hotter and hotter just as written in Revelation 16,
go outside and feel it dear one, the sun itself is getting hotter, Revelation is and has been happening.
And our enemy seeks to hide that truth, and as is written, he has done so somewhat well.

For by his cunning he shall cause deceit to prosper in his hand. Daniel 8:25 even that verse has been changed.

It cast down some of the host of the stars to the ground
He shall cast down the truth to the ground
Daniel 8:10,12

Truth related to the stars

He opened his mouth in blaspheme against God,
to blaspheme His name and His tabernacle and them that dwell beyond the sky.
Revelation 13:6

Nixon said to the astro-nots by supposed 1960's telephone from earth to the 238,000 miles away moon;
"the heavens have become mans realm".

"And no man has ascended up to heaven except He that first came down from heaven
even the sun of man which is in heaven"
John 3:13

Which statement is true dear one?

 

[Shemjaza]

It should be a 24 hour non moving sun, a constant light from generally the same place, what is shown is a moving sun.

Why would you expect it to be stationary... especially since they were not on the South Pole, just far enough south for 24 hour daylight.

The same effect is visible (and much more accessible) in the Northern Hemisphere.

That stream does not show the whole entire globe. We only see the same thing anyone can see from what is called 'low earth orbit'.
That stream provides no real proof, a fish eye lens looking out at 'low earth orbit' gives the same result.

Except we know where it is and can check it with various recording devices.

What do you propose is happening? Is the ISS an air craft moving faster than any on record and never needing to drop altitude or land and be refueled?

A view from the window of the space station, the condolla, I think they call it, a live view from that window
showing a rocket ship exit earths atmosphere would be some decent proof that everything is real.
But everything is fake so they can't show you any concrete evidence.

They use parabolic airplane dives to accomplish "zero-g" for some minutes, and edit those minuets together to make it
seem like one continuous time. They also uses harnesses to fake "zero-g" and cgi to edit out the harness even in live video,
nasa is a stated corporate client of zfxflying, a profressional stage harness company, zfxflying . com/about-zfx/

"Space is the final frontier but it's made in a hollywood basement."

It'd be nice if Flat Earthers could ever demonstrate this kind of real time effects on the scale that would be needed for every bit of space technology for the last 70 odd years.

Fish eye lens causes the bending of the video.
Where do the supposed 13,000 satellites orbit? Why does the live stream never see a satellite?
Or planet is orbited by a ring of 13,000 satellites?

13,000 sounds like a big number until you factor in the size of the Earth. They are placed to reduce chances of hitting one another, so no they aren't in the orbit of the ISS.

Imagine if there were only 13,000 cars in the world, what are the chances you'd ever find one?

Have you heard of the Parker solar probe?
They supposedly sent a probe to the sun, 93 million miles away supposedly, and that probe is now orbiting the sun
and sending data back from 93 million miles away, do you believe that?

Why not?

It's mostly empty space in between, why couldn't we send signals?

Now if they can do that, how is it we can't get a live view of the whole entire supposed globe spinning?

It only rotates once every 24 hours... not exactly blurred with speed.

I'm going to tell you something dear one, they do have a probe orbiting the sun,
the sun is right where we see it, and it is getting hotter and hotter just as written in Revelation 16,
go outside and feel it dear one, the sun itself is getting hotter, Revelation is and has been happening.
And our enemy seeks to hide that truth, and as is written, he has done so somewhat well.

Why not prove it?

Take readings from the actual emissions of the sun and see if the intensity is increasing.

For by his cunning he shall cause deceit to prosper in his hand. Daniel 8:25 even that verse has been changed.

It cast down some of the host of the stars to the ground
He shall cast down the truth to the ground
Daniel 8:10,12

Truth related to the stars

He opened his mouth in blaspheme against God,
to blaspheme His name and His tabernacle and them that dwell beyond the sky.
Revelation 13:6

Nixon said to the astro-nots by supposed 1960's telephone from earth to the 238,000 miles away moon;
"the heavens have become mans realm".

"And no man has ascended up to heaven except He that first came down from heaven
even the sun of man which is in heaven"
John 3:13

Which statement is true dear one?

Heaven can also mean the sky... in fact in Old English we didn't have two words.

 

[contratodo]

What do you propose is happening? Is the ISS an air craft moving faster than any on record and never needing to drop altitude or land and be refueled?

Moving faster? The live stream does not show anything fast at all, rather a slow fish eye view.

The satellites would either be above the iss or below it. If what we have been shown from apps such as google earth,
then the supposed satellites cover the entire globe, and certainly would eventually be seen from something orbiting among them.
On these forums when I had a lengthy discussion with one about it, they said the satellites mostly orbit at the equator,
and looking things up they will tell you such, which would mean, if the earth is a globe, that there is a ring of satellites orbiting
at the middle of it. Such a site certainly would be eventually seen, seen at specific intervals, by something orbiting the whole earth.

Heaven can also mean the sky... in fact in Old English we didn't have two words.

Yes exactly;

He opened his mouth in blaspheme against God,
to blaspheme His name and His tabernacle and them that dwell beyond the sky.
Revelation 13:6

The enemy will tell lies about what is beyond the sky, that is what the Bible specifically says.

 

[Shemjaza]

Moving faster? The live stream does not show anything fast at all, rather a slow fish eye view.

It's only seems slow due to the scale and perspective.

If you drive alone the highway, the mountains in the distance don't appear to move, but that doesn't mean you are stationary.

You can see from the footage that land masses and geologic structures are passing by.

The satellites would either be above the iss or below it. If what we have been shown from apps such as google earth,
then the supposed satellites cover the entire globe, and certainly would eventually be seen from something orbiting among them.
On these forums when I had a lengthy discussion with one about it, they said the satellites mostly orbit at the equator,
and looking things up they will tell you such, which would mean, if the earth is a globe, that there is a ring of satellites orbiting
at the middle of it. Such a site certainly would be eventually seen, seen at specific intervals, by something orbiting the whole earth.

Why?

The ISS is only around 400 km above the surface (below most of the satellites), but as I said... there are only 13000 of the things over a surface area of 500 million square km if it's a sphere and over a billion square km in a Flat Earth story.

Yes exactly;

He opened his mouth in blaspheme against God,
to blaspheme His name and His tabernacle and them that dwell beyond the sky.
Revelation 13:6

The enemy will tell lies about what is beyond the sky, that is what the Bible specifically says.

Yet when the astronauts and NASA had the opportunity, they chose to do this:

 

[prodromos]

It should be a 24 hour non moving sun, a constant light from generally the same place

No, that isn't what the globe model predicts. What you stated is nonsense.

what is shown is a moving sun.

Exactly as the globe model predicts. They also predicted the angle and length of the shadow of a tripod for every hour, placed blocks of snow in those positions and recorded the shadow's movement. It lined up with every lump of snow exactly as predicted.

Now what you are refusing to acknowledge is that according to the flat earth model, the sun should have been too far away to see for half of every 24 hours in Antarctica. It should have been pitch black at night time. Instead, the sun was visible 24 hours of the day. Ergo, the flat earth model is false.

 

[contratodo]

Yet when the astronauts and NASA had the opportunity, they chose to do this:

"....there are... breakthroughs available to those who can remove one of truths protective layers"
Neil Armstrong during a press conference with then President Clinton.

Now what you are refusing to acknowledge is that according to the flat earth model, the sun should have been too far away to see for half of every 24 hours in Antarctica.

The sun rejoices as a strong man to run a race, it circular path is from one end of the sky to the other
and nothing is hid from the heat of it
Psalms 19:5-6

According to the truth the sun is circling around the middle mainly around what is called the equator,
it's path widens sometimes and also shrinks, but it maintains a circular motion, as we can see in the 10 hour video provided.
From the edge of the dome, the ice wall, looking toward the center, one would therefore always see some sun, albeit it would be moving.

 

[prodromos]

The sun rejoices as a strong man to run a race, it circular path is from one end of the sky to the other
and nothing is hid from the heat of it
Psalms 19:5-6

According to the truth the sun is circling around the middle mainly around what is called the equator,

No, that is your false interpretation of truth. The sun does indeed trace what appears to be a circular arc overhead as it appears to pass from the East to the West, from one end of the sky to the other.
On your flat dirt pizza there is no "one end of the sky to the other"

it's path widens sometimes and also shrinks, but it maintains a circular motion, as we can see in the 10 hour video provided.

The video matches precisely the globe prediction and utterly obliterates the flat earth prediction.

From the edge of the dome, the ice wall, looking toward the center, one would therefore always see some sun, albeit it would be moving

Which is complete nonsense on your flat earth model, as it is night for parts of the earth sitting between the sun and your viewpoint on the 'ice wall' every 12 hours. You claim night occurs when the sun is too far away due to 'perspective', yet now you are claiming that it can be seen from Antarctica despite the sun being even further away than it is for the places experiencing night.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

"....there are... breakthroughs available to those who can remove one of truths protective layers"
Neil Armstrong during a press conference with then President Clinton.

Nice quote-mine. Here's the speech in full:

"Wilbur Wright once noted that the only bird that could talk was the parrot, and he didn’t fly very well [laughter from the audience], so I'll be brief. This week America has been recalling the Apollo program and reliving the memories of those times in which so many of us here, the colleagues here in the first rows, were immersed. Our old astrogeology mentor, Gene Shoemaker, even called in one of his comets to mark the occasion with spectacular Jovian fireworks and reminding us one again of the power and consequence of celestial extracurricular activities.

Many Americans were part of Apollo, about one or two in each thousand citizens, all across the country. They were asked by their country to do the impossible -- to envisage, to design and to build a method of breaking the bonds of Earth's gravity and then sally forth and visit another heavenly body. The principal elements -- leaving earth, navigating in space and descending to a planet unencumbered with runways and traffic controls -- would include the major requirements necessary for a spacefaring people.


Today a Space Shuttle flies overhead with an international crew. A number of countries have international space programs. During the space age we have increased the knowledge of our universe a thousandfold.


Today we have with us a group of students, among America's best. To you we say: we’ve only completed the beginning. We leave you much that is undone. There are great ideas undiscovered, breakthroughs available to those who can remove one of truth's protective layers. There are places to go beyond belief. Those challenges are yours -- in many fields, not the least of which is space, because there lies human destiny. Thank you."

The old childhood adage of 'Lies make Baby Jesus cry' still stands.

 

[prodromos]

Nice quote-mine. Here's the speech in full:

"Wilbur Wright once noted that the only bird that could talk was the parrot, and he didn’t fly very well [laughter from the audience], so I'll be brief. This week America has been recalling the Apollo program and reliving the memories of those times in which so many of us here, the colleagues here in the first rows, were immersed. Our old astrogeology mentor, Gene Shoemaker, even called in one of his comets to mark the occasion with spectacular Jovian fireworks and reminding us one again of the power and consequence of celestial extracurricular activities.

Many Americans were part of Apollo, about one or two in each thousand citizens, all across the country. They were asked by their country to do the impossible -- to envisage, to design and to build a method of breaking the bonds of Earth's gravity and then sally forth and visit another heavenly body. The principal elements -- leaving earth, navigating in space and descending to a planet unencumbered with runways and traffic controls -- would include the major requirements necessary for a spacefaring people.


Today a Space Shuttle flies overhead with an international crew. A number of countries have international space programs. During the space age we have increased the knowledge of our universe a thousandfold.


Today we have with us a group of students, among America's best. To you we say: we’ve only completed the beginning. We leave you much that is undone. There are great ideas undiscovered, breakthroughs available to those who can remove one of truth's protective layers. There are places to go beyond belief. Those challenges are yours -- in many fields, not the least of which is space, because there lies human destiny. Thank you."

The old childhood adage of 'Lies make Baby Jesus cry' still stands.

It is disturbing that they find it so easy to speak falsely. They claim they interpret the Scriptures correctly but how can they be led by the Holy Spirit if lies come so easily to them?