Open Theism is DEFINTELY not mainstream either..
[emphasis added]
Agreed.
No offense intended.
I trust the Lord to lead EVERYONE to seek Him on these matters, for ours is a personable God, Witnessing to each one of us both individually and as one unit in His hand.
Are we listening, THAT is the question..
ittarter said:
What would have to occur or to have occurred to constitute for you a disproof of the love of, or of the existence of, God?
I'd like to field the 'love of' part, as the existence of God is known to all men, though suppressed due to sin.
If God were to cease Loving me;
Job 34:14-15
If he set his heart upon himself, If he gather unto himself his spirit and his breath;
All flesh shall perish together, And man shall turn again unto dust.
And cease from being my Saviour;
Job 33:4
The Spirit of God hath made me, And the breath of the Mighty doth
quicken me.
Romans 8:11
But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also
quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
If He were to cease to uphold me;
Hebrews 1:3
who being the effulgence of his glory, and the very image of his substance, and
upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had made purification of sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Or my cause;
Micah 7:9
I will bear the indignation of Jehovah, because I have sinned against him, until he plead
my cause, and execute judgment for me: he will bring me forth to the light, and I shall behold his righteousness.
If hope was cut off from before me;
Lamentations 3:55-66
I called upon thy name, O LORD, out of the low dungeon. Thou hast heard my voice: hide not thine ear at my breathing, at my cry. Thou drewest near in the day that I called upon thee: thou saidst, Fear not.
O LORD, thou hast pleaded the causes of my soul; thou hast redeemed my life. O LORD, thou hast seen my wrong: judge thou my cause. Thou hast seen all their vengeance and all their imaginations against me. Thou hast heard their reproach, O LORD, and all their imaginations against me; The lips of those that rose up against me, and their device against me all the day.
Behold their sitting down, and their rising up; I am their musick. Render unto them a recompence, O LORD, according to the work of their hands. Give them sorrow of heart, thy curse unto them. Persecute and destroy them in anger from under the heavens of the LORD.
And my right was not avenged;
Revelation 6:9-11
And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and
avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
So too, would I be convinced that there is no such thing as the Love, Who is God.