THE FALSE TEACHINGS OF UNIVERSALISM - BEWARE!

[FineLinen]

One thing I find equally delighting as it is frightening is that God can do immeasurably more than we can imagine or think, coupled with the thought that the way we assess others, we will also be assessed.

So you believe in eternal torment and apply this in your mind towards everyone who does not believe what you think they should - God is able to do immeasurably more than you can imagine or think when he measures your measurement back to you.

So you believe in Universal Reconciliation and apply this in your mind towards everyone regardless of what they believe or how they live their lives - God is able to do immeasurably more than you can imagine or think when he measures your measurement back to you.

One can only imagine, but God will do much much more as the scripture says.

So perhaps all imaginings from scripture on this are totally bonkers and incorrect, and God will do something totally different like He did with the coming of Jesus.

There is exactly one passage of Scripture using the word "limited".

You have limited the Holy One of Israel.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

One thing I find equally delighting as it is frightening is that God can do immeasurably more than we can imagine or think, coupled with the thought that the way we assess others, we will also be assessed.

So you believe in eternal torment and apply this in your mind towards everyone who does not believe what you think they should - God is able to do immeasurably more than you can imagine or think when he measures your measurement back to you.

So you believe in Universal Reconciliation and apply this in your mind towards everyone regardless of what they believe or how they live their lives - God is able to do immeasurably more than you can imagine or think when he measures your measurement back to you.

One can only imagine, but God will do much much more as the scripture says.

So perhaps all imaginings from scripture on this are totally bonkers and incorrect, and God will do something totally different like He did with the coming of Jesus.

Actually no, I do not believe in eternal torment and neither do I believe in a God that tortures the unrepentant wicked to believe and follow him in the lake of fire until they repent then gives them eternal life making a mockery of the death of God's dear son. Both are not biblical and are false teachings that count the blood of the covenant an unholy thing doing dispite to the Spirit of God's grace according to the scriptures.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

The broken and bruised products of Adam must be awakened by Him from their death domain. That awakening begins in Him, is sustained by Him and ends in Him. One does not decide to follow Jesus, He says come, you are Mine.

You may be a short statured publican who has climbed a tree to behold the Saviour of all mankind only to have the Glory One stop under your tree and say "I am coming for a visit to your house."

Indeed and according to the scriptures the unrepentent wicked receive the second death because they rejected the gift of God's dear son and counted the blood of the covenant an unholy thing doing dispite to the Spirit of God's grace and continued in sin *HEBREWS 10:26-31.

Please see post # 2001 linked on the fate of the unrepentant wicked after the second coming.

God's Word teaches...

1. The unrepentant wicked do not receive eternal life *JOHN 3:36
2. The unrepentant wicked are destroyed after the second coming *2 THESSALONIANS 1:9
3. The unrepentant wicked partake of the second resurrection of condemnation *JOHN 5:28-29
4. The unrepentant wicked in the second resurrection of condemnation partake of the second death in the Lake of fire *REVELATION 20:6; REVELATION 21:7-8.
5. There is no more resurrections after the second death and no more death.

Now where is it in any of your post here that says that the unrepentant wicked receive everlasting life after the second coming?

 

[FineLinen]

Indeed and according to the scriptures the unrepentent wicked receive the second death

Nonsense! ! !

You are in for a rude, rude awakening.

Prepare yourself for serious hurt.

"He that overcomes shall not be hurt by the second death."

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Nonsense! ! !

You are in for a rude, rude awakening.

Prepare yourself for serious hurt.

"He that overcomes shall not be hurt by the second death."

Not really dear friend. There is no nonsense in God's Word and no rude awakenings to those who believe it. Read the scriptures in the post you are micro-quoting from. They are God's Word not mine and they disagree with you. You are free to believe and do as you wish but for me only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that seek to break the commandments of God. I believe ignoring God's Word does not make it disappear. It becomes our judge come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48. Those who overcome are God's Saints not the unrepentant wicked who do not overcome but contiunue in known unrepentant sin and reject the gift of God's dear son.

May you receive Gods' Word and be blessed.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Hi guys, I was just wondering if anyone that believes in "Universalism" can answer the following questions for me...

I'm wondering why you think Satan and one third of heavens angels were cast out of heaven for their rebellion. Why was Adam and Eve given a test of faith with regard to the forbidden tree? And why God would allow six thousand years of sin with all of it's unimaginable suffering on His creation, and in the end save everyone, those with faith, and those without faith? Why then is God allowing sin to rein from the time that He created the angles until now?

Now all of the above are based on the scriptures but I do not believe fit into the teachings of Universalism. Would anyone care to address these questions? I came across these questions from a friend in another thread but I was interested in your view and how you would answer these questions from a Universalists point of view.

 

[Jord Simcha]

Why-questions about God are extremely difficult to answer, in my opinion.

 

[FineLinen]

Why-questions about God are extremely difficult to answer, in my opinion.

Are you jesting?

The God of Glory dwells in mystery, His secrets are musterion in proportion. After we have embraced small aspects of Him as He discloses Himself, more (much much more), emananates into profound dimensions of grandeur.

Yup, it is all so simple ? ?

 

[FineLinen]

Hi guys, I was just wondering if anyone that believes in "Universalism" can answer the following questions for me...

I'm wondering why you think Satan and one third of heavens angles were cast out of heaven for their rebellion.

Not "angles" Lover, angels!

In two words: ta panta/ ta pavnte.

Theos IS the Source, Guide, Goal of the all, not some (tis) the all.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

Now all of the above are based on the scriptures but I do not believe fit into the teachings of Universalism.

Why not?

 

[FineLinen]

Why not?

Now you have done it Shrewd!

Now we will be bombarded with dear this and dear that, and pages and pages and pages ad nauseum.

Our God is the God of reconciliation. He also is the God of at-one-ment. What this amazing God does is bring all rebel beings to see things from His point of view. There is zero need for "force"!

When an individual is grasped by Him, & in that mighty Grasp experiences what it means to be "IN/EN" Christ, the path becomes clear to the profound working of His power in the following....

"That in/en the Name of Jesus, EVERY knee shall bow, and EVERY tongue confess, You are Lord."

 

[Shrewd Manager]

Now you have done it Shrewd!

Now we will be bombarded with dear this and dear that, and pages and pages and pages ad nauseum.

We're slaughtered as sheep all day long, my man.

'Hope this helps!'

 

[BNR32FAN]

No such beast as "eternal" punishment in Fathers Barnyard!

There is aionios kolasis. There is plain old correction. There is punishment for wayward children leading to transformation.

Punishment has a purpose: it is NOT mindless torture!

Yes I know universalists accept aionios as eternal and everlasting in every other case in the Bible except punishment. When the same word is used to describe God’s glory, His reign, His kingdom, or our life in heaven they accept that these are all endless. When aionios is used in reference to punishment then it becomes temporary.

 

[FineLinen]

Yes I know universalists accept aionios as eternal and everlasting in every other case in the Bible except punishment. When the same word is used to describe God’s glory, His reign, His kingdom, or our life in heaven they accept that these are all endless. When aionios is used in reference to punishment then it becomes temporary.

Aionios is the adjective of the noun aion. Aion is an age cascading into ages.

There are exactly two passages of Scripture using aidios, both in reference to God who alone is eternal/aidios.

A wee question?

Can you disclose what before chronos aiōnios means?

 

[FineLinen]

We're slaughtered as sheep all day long, my man.

'Hope this helps!'

Shame be upon you Shrewd. This is a serious link with zero room for funny. What is wrong with you Aussies?

 

[Der Alte]

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Aionios is the adjective of the noun aion. Aion is an age cascading into ages.
There are exactly two passages of Scripture using aidios, both in reference to God who alone is eternal/aidios.
A wee question?
Can you disclose what is before aionios?

The "wee question" is a wee bit nonsensical.
…..Greek is now, and has always been, the language of the Eastern Greek Orthodox church. Who, better than the native Greek speaking scholars who translated the “literal” Greek Eastern Orthodox Bible [EOB], know the correct meaning of Greek words, e.g. “Gehenna,””aiōnios,”“kolasis?” etc.
…..In the EOB, footnote pg. 180

“Hades is the realm of the dead. The upper part of hades was considered to be luminous and it was called “paradise” or "Abraham's bosom.” Hades is not to be confused with hell (Gehenna) which is the final place of state or place of the damned (“the lake of’ fire”).”​

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The Eastern Greek Orthodox Bible EOB—New Testament 96
The Eastern Greek Orthodox Bible EOB—New Testament 96
Matthew 25:46 Then he will answer them saying ‘Amen. I tell you: as much as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.' “These [[ones on the left]] will go away into eternal punishment.[κολασιν αιονιον/kolasin aiōnion] but the righteous into eternal life. ​

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KJV Romans 16:26 [EOB 14:25]
26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting [αιωνιου/aiōniou] God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:​

Paul, the same writer, in the same writing, uses αιωνιου/aiōniou, in Rom 16:26 synonymous with αιδιος/aidios in Rom 1:20, below. Thus showing conclusively that “aionios” means “eternal/everlsasting.”

Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world, his invisible things are clearly seen. They perceived through created things, even his everlasting [τε αιδιος/te aidios] power and divinity. ​

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https://azbyka.ru/otechnik/books/or...tament-(The-Eastern-Greek-Orthodox-Bible).pdf
The Eastern/Greek Orthodox Bible EOB—New Testament 96 can be D/L at the link above. Whoever has doubts/questions about the EOB version I suggest they read the 200 page preface which documents the extensive Greek scholarship supporting this translation.

 

[FineLinen]

Yes I know universalists accept aionios as eternal and everlasting in every other case in the Bible except punishment. When the same word is used to describe God’s glory, His reign, His kingdom, or our life in heaven they accept that these are all endless. When aionios is used in reference to punishment then it becomes temporary.

There is one purpose for punishment in Father's world. It is directed to change & transformation. It is not mindless torture, ad nauseum. It leads to the peaceable fruits of righteousness!

 

[BNR32FAN]

There is one purpose for punishment in Father's world. It is directed to change & transformation. It is not mindless torture, ad nauseum. It leads to the peaceable fruits of righteousness!

How many people were punished in the flood, and how many were changed?

 

[FineLinen]

How many people were punished in the flood, and how many were changed?

The entire world - 8 were destroyed.

However: Let not your heart be troubled.

The risen Christ preaches to the dead

“Christ also has once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: by which also he went and preached to the spirits in prison; which once were disobedient, when once the long suffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was in preparation, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water… for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.”

"Who shall render an account unto him who is holding in readiness to judge living and dead; for, unto this end, even unto the dead, was the glad-message delivered,—in order that they might be judged, indeed, according to men in flesh, but might live according to God in spirit."

Dead=

nekros= a corpse (from nekus)=

Breathed his last/ lifeless.

Deceased/ departed.

Destitute of life/ without life.

Inanimate.

Disobedient= apeitheo=

Not to allow one’s self to be persuaded.

To refuse or withhold belief & obedience.

To refuse belief and obedience.

Not to comply with.

Live= zao=

To be alive with resurrection life.

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[FineLinen]

"Prepare the way for the Lord, make straight paths for him. Every valley shall be filled in, every mountain and hill made low. The crooked roads shall become straight, the rough ways smooth. And all people will see God’s salvation.”

"Thunder in the desert!
Prepare God’s arrival!
Make the road smooth and straight!
Every ditch will be filled in,
Every bump smoothed out,
The detours straightened out,
All the ruts paved over.
Everyone will be there to see
The parade of God’s salvation.” -MSG-