The False Teaching (& Truth) of what happens at the Rapture.

[Timtofly]

The 6th seal is describing 7th trump events. Those events aren't happening when John sees them when the seal is opened. He is seeing future events. The dead of the church (the dead in Christ) are resurrected at the 7th trump timeframe. The rapture of the living saints also happens just after that resurrection.

The 6th Seal is describing the Second Coming.

Revelation 10-19 describes the 7th Trumpet time frame. The 7th Trumpet is after the 7 Thunders.

 

[keras]

The 6th Seal is describing the Second Coming.

Then Zechariah 14:3, Matthew 24:19-20 and Revelation 19:11-21, are all wrong.
I don't think so.
It is anyone who shuffles and misapplies the Sixth Seal, who is wrong.

The Sixth Seal describes the terrible Day of the Lord's fiery wrath. The world changer which will commence all the end times events.
Wait for the Day

Zephaniah 3:8 Wait for Me, says the Lord, wait for the Day when I stand up and accuse mankind. For I shall pour out My wrath upon nations and kingdoms, in My burning anger: the whole earth will be devastated by fire.

Zephaniah 1:14-18 The great Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath is near and coming fast. That Day will be a Day of distress and torment, a Day of devastation amid thick darkness. A Day of thunder and destruction against military fortifications and cities. the Lord will bring terrible distress upon the people, they won’t know which way to turn as they are punished for their sins against Me. Their blood and guts will be spilled out like filth over the ground. Neither their treasure nor their idols will be able to save them on the sudden and shocking Day of the Lord’s fiery anger. All the Land will be burned and devastated. Ezekiel 20:46-48

Zephaniah 2:1-3 Prepare yourselves, you undesirable nation, be humble before you disappear like chaff, before the burning anger of the Lord comes upon you. Seek righteousness; seek humility, all you people in the Land who obey God’s Laws and it may be that you will find shelter on the Day of the Lord’s anger.

Zephaniah 2:4-7 Gaza will be deserted, Ashkelon left in ruins. At midday all the towns of the Mediterranean coast will be cleared of inhabitants, for the Word of God is against you – land of the Philistines. I shall lay you in ruins, no one will survive. The sea coast will become a sheep grazing area belonging to the survivors of Judah, for their God will turn to them and restore their fortunes. Isaiah 14-1, Ezekiel 36:1-37

Zephaniah 2:8-10 I have noted the insults of Moab and the Ammonites, how they have reviled My people and encroached on their frontiers. For this, I swear, they will become like Sodom and Gomorrah, a place of weeds and salt pans. Those of My people who survive will inherit their land. This is retribution for their pride, because they have insulted God’s people and taken over their Land. Jeremiah 12:14, Amos 2:1-5

Zephaniah 3:11-13 On that Day, Jerusalem, I shall rid you of your proud and arrogant citizens, but I will leave a remnant, a humble people who will trust in Me. The survivors in Israel will be righteous, under My protection. Isaiah 31:5

Zephaniah 3:19-20 When the time comes and I have dealt with your oppressors, then I shall rescue the lost and gather the dispersed and bring you all to your homeland. You will win respect and renown from the other nations when I restore your fortunes before your very eyes, It is I, the Lord, who speaks. Ref: REB. Some verses abridged.


Wait for the Day; the whole earth burned and devastated. The only known way how this could happen, is by a massive Coronal Mass Ejection, a fire judgement mentioned and described over 100 times in Bible prophecy. It will be the event that ‘comes like a thief’, unexpected and shocking. Isaiah 30:26, Malachi 4:1

You undesirable nation – The Jewish State of Israel. It may be that those who live righteously and humbly will ‘find shelter on the Day of the Lord’s anger.’ 2 Peter 2:9

Philistines and Moab and Ammon – Palestinians and Jordanians. Amos 1:6-8 & 13-14, Ezekiel 21:28-31

leave a remnant in Jerusalem, under My protection – Isaiah 4:3, Romans 9:27

rescue the lost....bring you home – The great gathering of all the faithful Christian peoples, prophesied more than 40 times, to happen soon after this forthcoming, worldwide fire judgement. They will live in the promised Land, under God’s protection and when the Anti Christ comes to Jerusalem, Daniel 11:31-32, Revelation 13:7, they are taken to a place of safety until the Return of Jesus. Revelation 12:14

 

[Timtofly]

Zechariah 14:3, Matthew 24:19-20 and Revelation 19:11-21, are all wrong.
I don't think so.
It is anyone who shuffles and misapplies the Sixth Seal, who is wrong.

The first 4 Seals are not a time of tribulation?

What are they in your chronological calendar?

 

[keras]

The first 4 Seals are not a time of tribulation?

What are they in your chronological calendar?

The first five Seals were opened when Jesus Ascended to heaven, Revelation 5:1-14
Proved by all the wars, famines and plagues we have experienced since then and still ongoing.
The Fifth Seal is obviously open too; all the Christian martyrs since Stephen and is also still ongoing.

The Sixth Seal has not happened yet, but we are very close to the Day when the Lord will send fire to destroy His enemies and to prepare the world for all the end time events to happen, leading up to the glorious Return of Jesus to reign for the next 1000 years.

 

[Timtofly]

The first five Seals were opened when Jesus Ascended to heaven, Revelation 5:1-14
Proved by all the wars, famines and plagues we have experienced since then and still ongoing.
The Fifth Seal is obviously open too; all the Christian martyrs since Stephen and is also still ongoing.

The Sixth Seal has not happened yet, but we are very close to the Day when the Lord will send fire to destroy His enemies and to prepare the world for all the end time events to happen, leading up to the glorious Return of Jesus to reign for the next 1000 years.

So still after the tribulation of those days, ongoing tribulation for the last 1991 years?

 

[keras]

So still after the tribulation of those days, ongoing tribulation for the last 1991 years?

Yes, that is how it has been and during the final 3 1/2 years before Jesus Returns, it will intensify exponentially.

Are you referring to the events of 70 to 135 AD as a special tribulation?
That was just a localized war, there have been innumerable wars like that and worse since then. As the White horseman of Revelation 6:2, decreed.

 

[Marilyn C]

Well, the kind of light that reveals the items below:

5 Places Where World War III Could Erupt in 2022 - 19FortyFive

What does the Russian ultimatum to the West mean? | Desk Russie

Here is my list of saved articles: Emerging Risks.

Note the second article and its publication date - 30.12.2021. I was kind of shaking in my boots after reading that one. I also know the Russian people are getting generally prepared for nuclear war. China is playing its own dangerous game over Taiwan. For some reason, China is currently accumulating half the planet's grains. That's odd. Or maybe it knows something we don't.

China Accused of ‘Hoarding’ Grain

I'm shining a light on things that most people are not aware of because they are sleeping. The US is in pretty serious trouble. Will it still be around in a couple of years? I have my doubts.

Hi Matt,

Good work there. I am preparing some note on` Russia preparing for war,` as a distinct possibility for Ez. 38 & 39. Hope you will comment.

 

[Timtofly]

Yes, that is how it has been and during the final 3 1/2 years before Jesus Returns, it will intensify exponentially.

Are you referring to the events of 70 to 135 AD as a special tribulation?
That was just a localized war, there have been innumerable wars like that and worse since then. As the White horseman of Revelation 6:2, decreed.

The Trumpets and Thunders are not for the church therefore not part of the tribulation of the last 1991 years. No where does it claim tribulation will intensify. The Spanish inquisition was pretty intense. The World Wars were pretty intense, but nothing compared to the final harvest when Jesus Christ and the angels are on earth. So intensity comes and goes.

 

[keras]

The Trumpets and Thunders are not for the church therefore not part of the tribulation of the last 1991 years. No where does it claim tribulation will intensify. The Spanish inquisition was pretty intense. The World Wars were pretty intense, but nothing compared to the final harvest when Jesus Christ and the angels are on earth. So intensity comes and goes.

The descriptions of the 7 Trumpets and the 7 Bowls in Revelation, are worldwide and some have cosmic effects.
All of the events you mention were localized; in Europe or the Middle East. They were nothing like what Revelation describes.

Christians will be here when The Anti-Christ stops the worship in the Temple. Daniel 9:27, Revelation 13:5-7
But those who kept their faith when those disasters happened, will be taken to a place of safety. Revelation 12:14