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The False Prophet Is The Antichrist.

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In Revelation, a mouth is given to the First Beast.
I think the Second Beast and the little-horn of the First Beast are the same person.
Because in Daniel, there is no two-beast combination in the Fourth Beast description.
So then, Daniel's little-horn is the Second Beast in Revelation, aka Revelation's little-horn.

Make sense?


Sure. I have been posting about this for decades. It's nice to find someone who believes the same way because I haven't met very many over the years.
 
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Everything we believe in should have at least one scripture to support it.

Before putting "Anti" in front of Christ, the functional role of Christ in the scriptures is ....


John 1:49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.

John 12:12 On the next day much people that were come to the feast, when they heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem,

13 Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Mark 15:32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.


John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.


So for the person to be the Antichrist - he has to become the King of Israel coming in his own name.

The little horn person is of the fourth kingdom in Daniel 7 as well as the ten kings. So obviously, the little horn person does NOT start as the Antichrist, King of Israel, coming in his own name. But goes through a transitional of role as the prince who shall come to becoming the King of Israel, coming in his own name.

little horn, prince who shall come, Antichrist, revealed man of sin, beast - are not just different names for the person - but are different functional roles the person goes through on the way to his destruction.
 
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So for the person to be the Antichrist - he has to become the King of Israel coming in his own name.


He doesn't have to copy everything Christ did or was. Christ rejected the title anyways:

Joh 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

He was a King, but of a kingdom not on Earth. When he returns he will be the King of Kings, King of the whole world and not just Israel.


The antichrist will also be the King of the whole world not just Israel.
 
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He doesn't have to copy everything Christ did or was.
It is not "copy" everything Christ did or was.

Jesus was rejected by his own people to be their King of Israel, as the religious leaders mislead the people.
He was a King, but of a kingdom not on Earth. When he returns he will be the King of Kings, King of the whole world and not just Israel.

When Jesus returns....

Matthew 23:39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

...it has to do with recognizing, acknowledging, Jesus as the King of Israel.
The antichrist will also be the King of the whole world not just Israel.
Not as the Antichrist.... King of Israel, coming in his own name. But as the beast, dictator of the fourth kingdom, and the world.
 
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Paul's man of sin is Revelation's false prophet:

Rev 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
Rev 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

wonders:

G4592
se¯meion
say-mi'-on
Neuter of a presumed derivative of the base of G4591; an indication, especially ceremonially or supernaturally: - miracle, sign, token, wonder.
Total KJV occurrences: 77

deceived:

G4105
planao¯
plan-ah'-o
From G4106; to (properly cause to) roam (from safety, truth, or virtue): - go astray, deceive, err, seduce, wander, be out of the way.
Total KJV occurrences: 39

miracles:

G4592
s?µe????
se¯meion
say-mi'-on
Neuter of a presumed derivative of the base of G4591; an indication, especially ceremonially or supernaturally: - miracle, sign, token, wonder.
Total KJV occurrences: 77


Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received
the mark of the beast
, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Here we read of the second beast, who performed miracles in the sight of the first beast and performing those miracles in order to deceive the people!



Paul's Antichrist is called the man of sin and he is described as doing the same things for the same reason as the false prophet:

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
2Th 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders

lying:

G5579
pseudos
psyoo'-dos
From G5574; a falsehood: - lie, lying.
Total KJV occurrences: 9

wonders:

G5059
teras
Thayer Definition:
1) a prodigy, portent
2) miracle: performed by any one
Part of Speech: noun neuter
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: of uncertain affinity
Citing in TDNT: 8:113, 1170



"Lying wonders" is the same as "deceiving miracles".

The false prophet and the man of sin are the same person, the Antichrist.


Another connection between them:


Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

These horns are little horns of a young lamb which is a direct reference to the little horn Daniel wrote of who is also the one we know as the Antichrist.

lamb:

G721
arnion
ar-nee'-on
Diminutive from G704; a lambkin: - lamb.
Total KJV occurrences: 30


The little horn of Daniel is commonly believed to be the antichrist John wrote about and in Revelation there is a person with two little horns who appears after the ten horned beast just as the little horn in Daniel appears after the ten horned beast. Clearly the same person is in mind here.


Daniel - ten horned beast arises, little horn comes next and is the person of authority and power over the ten horned beast. Little horn is the antichrist.

Revelation - ten horned beast arises, false prophet comes next and is the person of authority and power over the ten horned beast. False prophet is the antichrist.

Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
Rev 13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.,
Rev 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
Rev 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
Rev 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Not only does the second beast exercise ALL of the power of the first beast, he is the only one performing miracles by which he not the first beast deceived the world. He is the one who commands an image of the first beast to be made and causes it to come alive because of his tremendous God-like powers. He also decides who will be killed. He makes people receive the mark and that controls who can buy and sell.

Clearly the second beast is the primary ruler and highest authority.

Jesus was both the Christ and a prophet. The Antichrist will also be both christ and prophet but will be a liar on both accounts. John wrote about an Antichrist that would come. In Revelation he uses a different terminology for this same person calling him a false prophet but he is the same person he called the Antichrist. This person has many names in scripture.


Daniel - ten horned beast arises, little horn comes next and is the person of authority and power over the ten horned beast. Little horn is the antichrist.
Revelation - ten horned beast arises, false prophet comes next and is the person of authority and power over the ten horned beast. False prophet is the antichrist.

The ten horned kingdom is not the AC in either book. The AC is always the one who comes AFTER the ten horned beast.

Same ten horned beast in both books and it is always a large Empire composed of Kings and kingdoms with 1 singular person ruling over it all and that person is the same person in both books called the little horn and false prophet.

If there is no Antichrist here, "Daniel - ten horned beast arises." then it is the same for Revelation.
No Antichrist in this ten horned beast either, "Revelation - ten horned beast arises"

The Antichrist is always the singular person that is introduced after the ten horned beast:

Daniel - ten horned beast arises, little horn
Revelation - ten horned beast arises, false prophet

Same order of introduction. Neither book uses the term "Antichrist" but he is mentioned nonetheless.


The names of the one we normally call the Antichrist:

1st and 2nd John -antichrist
2 Thessalonians -man of sin
2 Thessalonians -that Wicked
2 Thessalonians -the son of perdition
Daniel -little horn
Revelation -false prophet

Many names but he is still the same person.

I understand your logic, but you should peruse this commentary from David Guzik - the first beast is the one we call the antichrist, and the second beast is the false prophet.

It’s fascinating, well written, and scholarly in scope:

Revelation Chapter 13
 
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I understand your logic, but you should peruse this commentary from David Guzik - the first beast is the one we call the antichrist, and the second beast is the false prophet.

It’s fascinating, well written, and scholarly in scope:

Revelation Chapter 13


Had to stop reading when I got to here, "but the one head that has ten horns is specifically the Antichrist"

He's completely confused. The heads are mountains. None are a person. He is wrong all ten horns are on one head. That makes no sense. That would be ten kingdoms all in one area of land and none anywhere else. No way that is correct. There is at least one kingdom in each of the 7 areas of land because power and influence would need to be in all 7 places. Some of the 7 would have more than one kingdom since there are ten.
 
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He is wrong all ten horns are on one head. That makes no sense. That would be ten kingdoms all in one area of land and none anywhere else. No way that is correct
The ten horns are of ONE kingdom, the fourth kingdom, which in Revelation 17:
16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the harlot, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

their ONE kingdom, not kingdoms, to the beast - and not to the False Prophet.

Their kingdom is the EU. And for the last 42 months of the 7 years, the EU will control the territories once part of the Babylonian, Medes/Persians, Greeks empires.





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I understand your logic, but you should peruse this commentary from David Guzik - the first beast is the one we call the antichrist, and the second beast is the false prophet.

It’s fascinating, well written, and scholarly in scope:

Revelation Chapter 13
The one head on the first beast - is the beast "person". But it is wrong to call the beast person the Antichrist - although it is the same person.

Being the Antichrist is a prior functional role to becoming the beast (person). Being the Antichrist is being the King of Israel coming in his own name.

Being the little horn is being the leader of the EU.

And the beast is being the dictator of the EU, and the world.

(if you can remember this one line, it will eliminate a lot of confusion that is out there)

the little horn
> becomes the prince who shall come > becomes the Antichrist > becomes the revealed man of sin > becomes the beast.



The 7 year 70th week of Daniel 9:27 begins when the person becomes the Antichrist. In the functional role as the Antichrist, he has the law read from the temple mount to the nation of Israel , as required by Moses in Deuteronomy 31:9-13, for the 7 year cycle.

day 1 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>day 2520
the Antichrist.........the revealed man of sin.......the beast
 
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@chad kincham

...in addition...

Get out your pencil and a sheet paper and draw this 7 year timeline. day 1 to day 2520.

Matthew 24:30b is Jesus descending to earth coming in power and great glory, to end the great tribulation on day 2520 of the 7 year timeline. Annotate it on the timeline as Jesus's return.

1335 days before day 2520, on day 1185 the AoD will be set up to be worshiped. Annotate it on the timeline.

From day 1185, going forward 1290 days will be day 2475 - on that day, Matthew 24:30a takes place, the sign of the son of man in heaven - the sixth seal event. Annotate it on the timeline.

From day 2475, the kings of the earth assemble their armies at Armageddon for 45 days in preparation to make war on Jesus.

At the end of the 45 days on day 2520, Jesus descends to earth with his armies of heaven, and He destroys the armies gathered to make war on him. The beast and false prophet cast into the lake of fire. And Satan cast into the bottomless pit prison for a thousand years.
 
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Had to stop reading when I got to here, "but the one head that has ten horns is specifically the Antichrist"

He's completely confused. The heads are mountains. None are a person. He is wrong all ten horns are on one head. That makes no sense. That would be ten kingdoms all in one area of land and none anywhere else. No way that is correct. There is at least one kingdom in each of the 7 areas of land because power and influence would need to be in all 7 places. Some of the 7 would have more than one kingdom since there are ten.
You should have read the whole thing, because being a scholarly commentary, it cites varying opinions and compares them.
 
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From day 2475, the kings of the earth assemble their armies at Armageddon for 45 days in preparation to make war on Jesus.

At the end of the 45 days on day 2520, Jesus descends to earth with his armies of heaven, and He destroys the armies gathered to make war on him. The beast and false prophet cast into the lake of fire. And Satan cast into the bottomless pit prison for a thousand years.

Jesus is already on earth, ruling with a rod of iron, for a thousand years, before Satan is loosed and deceives the nations into attacking the city Jesus is ruling from, which is Jerusalem.

Think about it, if Jesus is still in heaven, how could satan and armies on earth think they could attack Jesus in heaven, by surrounding a city on earth?
 
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Short version of proving who the first and second beasts of revelation 13 are:

They say of the first beast, who is able to make war against him? It’s the antichrist who is the unbeatable world military leader who rules the world, not the false prophet:

Rev 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

It’s the antichrist who is worshipped - which is the first beast:

Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

And it’s the second beast that causes the first beast to be worshipped. Prophets point to worship of God, like Elijah did, and it’s the antichrist who is worshipped during the tribulation - thus the second beast is the false prophet for the first beast:

Rev 13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

And, per the above, the first beast is killed, then comes back to life when his deadly wound is healed, which is what happens to the antichrist - he imitates Jesus rising from the dead.

The second beast calls down fire from heaven like the prophet Elijah did:

Rev 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

In fact he probably claims to be Elijah who was prophesied to return, and is who kills the two prophets with fire from heaven, like Elijah called down fire.

And it’s the second beast that further promotes worship of the first beast, by setting up an image of that first beast, that everyone must worship:

Rev 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Rev 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

Thus it’s pretty clear that the first beast is the antichrist, and the second beast is his false prophet.
 
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Sure. I have been posting about this for decades. It's nice to find someone who believes the same way because I haven't met very many over the years.

Then maybe I need to go back through your posts and see what else I'm missing. I just realized it for myself yesterday.

... got it:

How to identify the AC in the book of Revelation using the book of Daniel!

There's also no H.Babylon connected to Daniel's Fourth Beast, but he does show us that the mouth of the lion is Babylon...
 
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Thus it’s pretty clear that the first beast is the antichrist, and the second beast is his false prophet.

"The Antichrist’s cohort is known to God as the False Prophet."
--Hal Lindsey

And this theory is anti-scriptural... but people have been copying it for decades.

Matthew 11:7-10 For this is [he], of whom it is written, Behold, I send My messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.
 
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Jesus is already on earth, ruling with a rod of iron, for a thousand years, before Satan is loosed and deceives the nations into attacking the city Jesus is ruling from, which is Jerusalem.

Think about it, if Jesus is still in heaven, how could satan and armies on earth think they could attack Jesus in heaven, by surrounding a city on earth?
Yes, I agree that during the millennium Jesus will be on earth ruling from Jerusalem.

My post #109 was not referring to that. But to the 7 years preceding the millennium.

Which at the very end of those 7 years, the kings of the earth assemble their armies at Armageddon, and take half of Jerusalem as hostages (captivity) in Zechariah 14, in preparation to make war of Jesus, coming from heaven down to earth.
 
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Which at the very end of those 7 years, the kings of the earth assemble their armies at Armageddon, and take half of Jerusalem as hostages (captivity) in Zechariah 14, in preparation to make war of Jesus, coming from heaven down to earth.

They don't go to Jerusalem as they all die at Armageddon.
 
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Rev 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
Rev 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

The only army that leaves Armageddon and goes to Jerusalem is Christ and his army.
 
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Rev 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
Rev 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

The only army that leaves Armageddon and goes to Jerusalem is Christ and his army.
The kings of the earth assemble, gather their armies at Armageddon. It is a staging place. Of course the numbers will be so large that the armies spreads out to most of Israel. Not all will be in Jerusalem, when they are killed. (Revelation 14:20)

In Joel, there will also be them in the valley of Jehoshaphat, which is the Kidron river valley (look it up on the internet to learn more).

Joel 3:2 I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.

Joel 3:11 Assemble yourselves, and come, all ye heathen, and gather yourselves together round about: thither cause thy mighty ones to come down, O LORD.

12 Let the heathen be wakened, and come up to the valley of Jehoshaphat: for there will I sit to judge all the heathen round about.

13 Put ye in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe: come, get you down; for the press is full, the fats overflow; for their wickedness is great.

14 Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision.
 
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Yes, I agree that during the millennium Jesus will be on earth ruling from Jerusalem.

My post #109 was not referring to that. But to the 7 years preceding the millennium.

Which at the very end of those 7 years, the kings of the earth assemble their armies at Armageddon, and take half of Jerusalem as hostages (captivity) in Zechariah 14, in preparation to make war of Jesus, coming from heaven down to earth.
Yes and Zechariah chapters 12-14 covers that, too, with the day of the Lord in 14:1, and the promised return of Jesus to Mount Olive with all the saints, in 14:4-5, and those armies being destroyed by Y’eshua
 
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