The False Prophet Is The Antichrist.

[ewq1938]

for all of Humanity's history marriage has been the fulfillment of needs of companionship. Genesis 2:18
Matthew 22:30 signifies a change to this and we will no longer have human complimentary companions.
There is no marital companion in eternity, so if Jesus is to be our companion personally, for an uncountable multitude of people, "taking turns" is not going to cut it.

How many Christ's do you think will be needed?

 

[ewq1938]

Seems like a continuous thought, to me, where head/mountain/king are the same.
Are these 3 7s an accident, or a plan?

There is no match. There are 7 mountains but 8 kings.

What if both triple-sets are pointing to the exact same thing?

They don't The mountains and fallen kings/kingdoms are vastly different things. The mountains are where kingdoms are established and exist. Different kingdoms come and go on these areas of land. It is the 7th king/kingdom that is the Revelation 13 beast and it will exist within 7 areas of land. There's only 11 kings that will exist all at the same time, the main King/antichrist and his ten lesser kings.

Which of the seven kings is the little horn?

The false prophet is the NT version of him. The False Prophet has two little horns so IMO that means he will be a king twice, the 7th and 8th king.

 

[Jamdoc]

How many Christ's do you think will be needed?

I have no idea, but if there's an uncountable multitude, and Jesus has designated that human to human intimate companionship is no longer needed because Jesus becomes that companionship... the idea of just taking turns.. doesn't seem very fulfilling.

 

[Ligurian]

The word "there" doesn't exist, and neither does the word "they".

Seems like a continuous thought, to me, where head/mountain/king are the same.
Are these 3 7s an accident, or a plan? Are the 3 6s an accident?
What if both triple-sets are pointing to the exact same thing?
Compute the number of the beast... simplest math.
Which of the seven kings is the little horn?

There is no match. There are 7 mountains but 8 kings.

They don't The mountains and fallen kings/kingdoms are vastly different things. The mountains are where kingdoms are established and exist. Different kingdoms come and go on these areas of land. It is the 7th king/kingdom that is the Revelation 13 beast and it will exist within 7 areas of land. There's only 11 kings that will exist all at the same time, the main King/antichrist and his ten lesser kings.

The false prophet is the NT version of him. The False Prophet has two little horns so IMO that means he will be a king twice, the 7th and 8th king.

Revelation 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

Daniel 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn [were] eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

Daniel 4:23-26 And whereas they commanded to leave the stump of the tree roots; thy kingdom shall be sure unto thee, after that thou shalt have known that the heavens do rule.

If the roots are gone, then the kings/kingdoms are gone. That leaves 7.

Who is the 7th king, in your opinion?

 

[ewq1938]

Revelation 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

Daniel 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn [were] eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

Daniel 4:23-26 And whereas they commanded to leave the stump of the tree roots; thy kingdom shall be sure unto thee, after that thou shalt have known that the heavens do rule.

If the roots are gone, then the kings/kingdoms are gone. That leaves 7.

Who is the 7th king, in your opinion?

The Revelation 13 beast has all ten horns/kings through the entire duration of the Great Tribulation. All ten attack Babylon as well.

Rev 17:16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the harlot, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

At no point is there ever only 7 horns/kings.

 

[Douggg]

The false prophet is the NT version of him. The False Prophet has two little horns so IMO that means he will be a king twice, the 7th and 8th king.

13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

In Revelation 16, three unclean spirits come out of the mouths of...

1. the dragon (Satan)
2. the beast
3. the false prophet

....to convince the kings of the earth to make war on Jesus.


Please identify who is the ...

2. the beast

...since you claim the false prophet is the little horn person.

 

[ewq1938]

13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

In Revelation 16, three unclean spirits come out of the mouths of...

1. the dragon (Satan)
2. the beast
3. the false prophet

....to convince the kings of the earth to make war on Jesus.


Please identify who is the ...

2. the beast

...since you claim the false prophet is the little horn person.

The beast is a global empire led by the False Prophet. This is figurative language. There is no literal dragon or 7 headed ten horned animal. This is like if one called Nazi Germany a one horned beast with a figurative mouth that an evil spirit comes out, led by dragon like man. The beast is not a person. It's ten kingdoms and kings in 7 areas of land.

I know you believe there is also a man as part of it but as I said before, In Daniel the ten horned beast is not a person and no singular person is part of it outside of the little horn. Revelation is the same in this regard with a ten horned beast and a false prophet. There is not a two man team ruling over the beast empire. There is and always has been just one. Paul never mentioned a second guy either so that's multiple sources proving there is a empire of ten kingdoms and ten kings and only one other notable person.

 

[Ligurian]

Daniel 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn [were] eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
Daniel 4:23-26 And whereas they commanded to leave the stump of the tree roots; thy kingdom shall be sure unto thee, after that thou shalt have known that the heavens do rule.

If the roots are gone, then the kings/kingdoms are gone.

The Revelation 13 beast has all ten horns/kings through the entire duration of the Great Tribulation. All ten attack Babylon as well.

Rev 17:16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the harlot, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

At no point is there ever only 7 horns/kings.

What did you do with Daniel? Don't those pieces fit for you?

When, within the timeline of the beast, does Babylon get burned?
I believe it happens here:

Matthew 22:6-7 But when the king heard [thereof], he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.

 

[ewq1938]

What did you do with Daniel? Don't those pieces fit for you?

I leave them in Daniel. John was not shown any horns being removed. The beast will have all ten horns when it is cast into the lake of fire.

 

[Douggg]

The beast is a global empire led by the False Prophet. This is figurative language. There is no literal dragon or 7 headed ten horned animal. This is like if one called Nazi Germany a one horned beast with a figurative mouth that an evil spirit comes out, led by dragon like man. The beast is not a person. It's ten kingdoms and kings in 7 areas of land.

I know you believe there is also a man as part of it but as I said before, In Daniel the ten horned beast is not a person and no singular person is part of it outside of the little horn. Revelation is the same in this regard with a ten horned beast and a false prophet. There is not a two man team ruling over the beast empire. There is and always has been just one. Paul never mentioned a second guy either so that's multiple sources proving there is a empire of ten kingdoms and ten kings and only one other notable person.

The dragon is obviously Satan. Satan has a literal mouth. The false prophet has a literal mouth. The beast has a literal mouth.

Satan and the false prophet are two individual persons. Who is the individual person who is the beast?

 

[ewq1938]

The dragon is obviously Satan. Satan has a literal mouth. The false prophet has a literal mouth. The beast has a literal mouth.

The beast does not have a literal mouth because it's an empire.

Satan and the false prophet are two individual persons. Who is the individual person who is the beast?

There is no 3rd person. You didn't comment on the fact that both Daniel and Paul did not have two people ruling the world. There is no antichrist and second in command person.

 

[Timtofly]

You didn't comment on the problem. How can Christ return to the Earth after opening the 6th seal and be in heaven to open the 7th seal?

Because He is going to sit on the glorious throne in Jerusalem with that book opened. The names of the goats will be removed at that judgment. Matthew 25

 

[Douggg]

The beast is a global empire led by the False Prophet. This is figurative language. There is no literal dragon or 7 headed ten horned animal. This is like if one called Nazi Germany a one horned beast with a figurative mouth that an evil spirit comes out, led by dragon like man. The beast is not a person. It's ten kingdoms and kings in 7 areas of land.

From Revelation 12:9, we know that the dragon is Satan, the devil. Satan has a mouth and is an individual.

The beast in Revelation 13 is not called a dragon. So the first beast that has a mouth of the mortally wounded/healed head that blasphemes God is not Satan, but a different person.

There is no 3rd person. You didn't comment on the fact that both Daniel and Paul did not have two people ruling the world. There is no antichrist and second in command person.

There are three mouths, of three individuals, in Revelation 16:13.

You have mistakenly identified the false prophet as the one ruling the world. So you can't identify - an individual person - as the beast, who has a mouth.

It is the first beast, the mortally wounded/healed head, who the false prophet has the image made of - the abomination of desolation - who will rule the world, who is the beast in Revelation 16:13 . And in Revelation 13:5 who has a mouth "speaking" great things and blasphemies.

Just as the little horn person speaks great things in Daniel 7.

Revelation 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.


Daniel 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

The correct identification is...

1. the dragon - Satan
2. the beast - the little horn person
3. the false prophet - a spokesman for Satan and the beast person.

In your Nazi Germany comparison, it would be...
the beast - Adolph Hitler, speaking great things
the false prophet - Joseph Goebbels, propaganda minister

 

[Timtofly]

From Revelation 12:9, we know that the dragon is Satan, the devil. Satan has a mouth and is an individual.

The beast in Revelation 13 is not called a dragon. So the first beast that has a mouth of the mortally wounded/healed head that blasphemes God is not Satan, but a different person.


There are three mouths, of three individuals, in Revelation 16:13.

You have mistakenly identified the false prophet as the one ruling the world. So you can't identify - an individual person - as the beast, who has a mouth.

It is the first beast, the mortally wounded/healed head, who the false prophet has the image made of - the abomination of desolation - who will rule the world, who is the beast in Revelation 16:13 . And in Revelation 13:5 who has a mouth "speaking" great things and blasphemies.

Just as the little horn person speaks great things in Daniel 7.

Revelation 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.


Daniel 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

The correct identification is...

1. the dragon - Satan
2. the beast - the little horn person
3. the false prophet - a spokesman for Satan and the beast person.

In your Nazi Germany comparison, it would be...
the beast - Adolph Hitler, speaking great things
the false prophet - Joseph Goebbels, propaganda minister

No one is "ruling the world" in Revelation 13. There may be only millions left at that point. There is only a human FP, Satan, and the image, which is the beast during those 42 months after the 7th Trumpet already sounds. The FP is the only human and comes out of humanity and rises to fame via Satan. But is not an AC figure. This first beast is like John the Baptist in anti type. Someone the people listen to, but Satan has all the power and authority. This human will not start to work until after the Second Coming.

You are still working under the doctrinal guidelines set up from the "left behind series" of eschatological interpretation.

The FP is introduced by the first beast, and the only human. The second beast out of the earth is Satan, himself. The image is the beast, the one Satan creates as an anti-christ created solely by him. This AC of Satan is not even human, but totally against God’s plan for humanity. It is the end step of Satan trying to convince humanity they do not need God at all. At least what is left. I still think Satan is arguing with God over the situation, and really does not care about humanity at all.

Yet even then some humans will still choose God over Satan. The word beast used in Revelation shows several different aspects of Satan's power struggle with God. There is not just one single "beast" in the narrative. The nations behind this Babylonian type government is called a beast. Satan's power and authority is referred to as a beast. Satan is called a beast. The image is called a beast. The context and the verses themselves determine the definition of which beasts is what. Modern scholars seem to use their bias instead of Scripture to define this term, "beast". I mean that is the reasoning behind the different eschatological views to point out the other view is wrong. All interpretation uses the bias of one's belief system, no? If one does it, they all do it.

"Beast" in Revelation is about the same as using "it" too much. The writer and speaker knows what "it" means, but those reading and hearing need to see other more descriptive words than using "it" all the time. I even did this in the paragraph above, trusting that I was understood, and did not have to spell my point out again.

 

[Douggg]

The FP is introduced by the first beast, and the only human. The second beast out of the earth is Satan, himself. The image is the beast, the one Satan creates as an anti-christ created solely by him.

Satan does not come out of the earth. Satan gets casts down to earth from the second heaven, having great wrath toward the inhabiters of the earth and sea.

Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

The first thing he , as the angel falling from heaven in Revelation 9:1, will do in his wrath is open the bottomless pit to allow the flesh tormenting locust creatures to torment the inhabiters of the earth and sea, not sealed by God, for 5 months.

Satan is the dragon in Revelation 16:16. The false prophet is a different individual.

1. the dragon - Satan.
2. the beast
3. the false prophet

 

[Douggg]

No one is "ruling the world" in Revelation 13.

The beast will be dictator of the EU and world during the 42 months.

He will be the willful king of Daniel 11:36. The attacks on him in Daniel 11:40-45 are near the very end of the 42 months. Daniel 44 has him concerned over news from the east in and north.

In Revelation 16:12, the river Euphrates is dried up, releasing the four (evil)angels bound there in Revelation 9:16. And so that the kings of the east can head to attack the beast unhampered.

Which the size of the army associated with the four angels is 200,000,000 - the Chinese and their allies.

 

[Ligurian]

What did you do with Daniel? Don't those pieces fit for you?

When, within the timeline of the beast, does Babylon get burned?
I believe it happens here:

Matthew 22:6-7 But when the king heard [thereof], he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.

I leave them in Daniel. John was not shown any horns being removed. The beast will have all ten horns when it is cast into the lake of fire.

Daniel 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

Do you consider that verse a false prophecy, a different set of horns, or something else?
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What is the Abomination of Desolation?

Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)

Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Since Jesus says we are able to understand what this abomination is, and that it stands in the holy place, shouldn't we be able to figure out what it is? Many places in the OT, that word for abomination is translated as idol. Is the abomination the image of the beast?

Revelation 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by [the means of] those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

 

[ewq1938]

Daniel 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

Do you consider that verse a false prophecy, a different set of horns, or something else?

I think God changed his mind on it. How do you see it? All ten horns remain intact in John's prophecy.

Since Jesus says we are able to understand what this abomination is, and that it stands in the holy place, shouldn't we be able to figure out what it is? Many places in the OT, that word for abomination is translated as idol. Is the abomination the image of the beast?

I think the antichrist is the AoD. The image is something else.

 

[Douggg]

I think the antichrist is the AoD. The image is something else.

Tha AoD cannot be a person. It is something that is "set up". A thing, an object.

11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

 

[Ligurian]

Daniel 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

Do you consider that verse a false prophecy, a different set of horns, or something else?
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What is the Abomination of Desolation?

Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)

Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Since Jesus says we are able to understand what this abomination is, and that it stands in the holy place, shouldn't we be able to figure out what it is? Many places in the OT, that word for abomination is translated as idol. Is the abomination the image of the beast?

Revelation 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by [the means of] those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

I think God changed his mind on it. How do you see it? All ten horns remain intact in John's prophecy.

I think the antichrist is the AoD. The image is something else.

I don't believe God changes His mind. James 1:17

Jesus points us to Daniel. Two chapters later, there's the little horn. Would you really put down a 12 chapter book after finding what Jesus mentioned in chapter 7? Wouldn't you keep looking for more mentions of this Abomination from which you're being told to run?

I used to think the Abomination was the AC until I started looking at how the word is found in the OT... and thought about Revelation 2, and idolotry in general, and the woman and her harlotry, Solomon and the idols of his harem, etc. If memory serves, at least one of the prophets says these men hiding in the caves brought their idols with them. So even household idols might be made in the image of the wounded beast... not just the image made by all nations everywhere... or a single image made by all nations. What form that idol takes seems based on the number of the beast... or symbolizes the wound which was said to be a death-dealing stroke.