The False Prophet Is The Antichrist.

[ewq1938]

I used to think the Abomination was the AC until I started looking at how the word is found in the OT...

Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

IMO this he is the antichrist making him the AoD standing where he isn't supposed to.

 

[Ligurian]

Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

IMO this he is the antichrist making him the AoD standing where he isn't supposed to.

In Greek, the word "he" could be she, it, etc. I don't know if that's true in Hebrew.

But which covenant is being confirmed at that time?
Because here's that flood of Daniel from the LXX.

Daniel 9:26-27 And after the sixty-two weeks, the anointed one shall be destroyed, and there is no judgment in him: and he shall destroy the city and the sanctuary with the prince that is coming: they shall be cut off with a flood, and to the end of the war which is rapidly completed he shall appoint the city to desolations. And one week shall establish the covenant with many: and in the midst of the week My sacrifice and drink-offering shall be taken away: and on the temple shall be the abomination of desolations; and at the end of time an end shall be put to the desolation.LXX

Esaias 28:14-18 Therefore hear ye the word of the Lord, ye afflicted men, and ye princes of this people that is in Jerusalem. Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with Hades, and agreements with Death; if the rushing storm should pass, it shall not come upon us: we have made falsehood our hope, and by falsehood shall we be protected: Therefore thus saith the Lord, even the Lord, Behold, I lay for the foundations of Sion a costly stone, a choice, a corner-stone, a precious stone, for its foundations; and he that believes on Him shall by no means be ashamed.LXX

Revelation 12:15-16 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

Revelation 6:8 And I looked, and behold a pale (chloros) horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hades followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

 

[Timtofly]

Satan does not come out of the earth. Satan gets casts down to earth from the second heaven, having great wrath toward the inhabiters of the earth and sea.

Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

The first thing he , as the angel falling from heaven in Revelation 9:1, will do in his wrath is open the bottomless pit to allow the flesh tormenting locust creatures to torment the inhabiters of the earth and sea, not sealed by God, for 5 months.

Satan is the dragon in Revelation 16:16. The false prophet is a different individual.

1. the dragon - Satan.
2. the beast
3. the false prophet

Of course Satan comes out of the earth. The pit was created exactly for him and his fellow angels. That is his home, not earth. He comes and goes like you come and go in and out of your house.

 

[ewq1938]

Of course Satan comes out of the earth. The pit was created exactly for him and his fellow angels. That is his home, not earth. He comes and goes like you come and go in and out of your house.

He can only do that once God allows the pit to be unlocked and opened. When it is locked, it is a prison.

 

[Douggg]

Of course Satan comes out of the earth. The pit was created exactly for him and his fellow angels. That is his home, not earth. He comes and goes like you come and go in and out of your house.

In Revelation 12:7-8, Revelation 12:12-13, Satan and his angels are cast down from the second heaven to earth.

 

[Timtofly]

In Revelation 12:7-8, Revelation 12:12-13, Satan and his angels are cast down from the second heaven to earth.

Of course Satan has had access to the pit, the earth and heaven non stop since the beginning. The pit is his home base. Earth is his "day job". Accusing the brethren is his hobby that goes hand in hand with his job performance as a deceiver. Satan has never been banned from heaven, nor bound in the pit under "house arrest".

Yet Satan is constantly being cast out of heaven, because he has no grounds to even accuse the brethren, but yet he keeps up night and day non stop. It is not until the 7th Trumpet that Satan is banned from heaven, never to return.

The angels who rebelled have always been bound in the pit. They have not been able to do anything, but will be loosed at the 5th Trumpet. So they only have access to earth and heaven between the 5th and 7th Trumpets. This is a future event. They have not been loosed yet. People on earth will know when they are loosed. People on earth will not have any spiritual blindness at all at that point.

Demonic spirits do not come from angels. Demonic spirits come from reprobate humans including the sons of God prior to the Flood. There have been millions of reprobate humans, thus millions of demons loosed on the earth since the Flood. Genesis 6:3

"And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man,"

That is the struggle between Spirit and spirit. Adam's flesh was already dead and separated from God. God was pointing out that the sons of God and their desire to do wickedness put their spirit at odds with God's Spirit. Thus those spirits were becoming reprobate and demonic. I do not think the sons of God rebelled 100%. We are not told the percentage, and the sons of God were not confined to earth. We see in Job, there were still sons of God in a heavenly council.

The original sons of God were no longer allowed to exist on earth. As you can see, that Adam's flesh and blood prevailed through Noah and his three sons. Obviously any sons of God would stand out and just be subjected to Adam's sinful flesh and blood. If they corrupted themselves prior to the Flood, we see they could not save Adam's flesh and blood, but would just have sinful offspring themselves.

 

[Ligurian]

Why do the 7 heads have 7 crowns upon the heads in Revelation 12, but not in Revelation 13 ?

And why do the ten horns have no crowns on their horns in Revelation 12, but have crowns in Revelation 13 ?

Daniel 7:24 And his ten horns are ten kings that shall arise: and after them shall arise another, who shall exceed all the former ones in wickedness and he shall subdue three kings.LXX

Revelation 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

Why does the little horn rule the beast, and the woman rule the kings... is little-horn and H.Babylon another set of synonyms? Do we ever see the little horn crowned?

When was the beast wounded?
IMO, right here:
Daniel 7:8 I noticed his horns, and behold, another little horn came up in the midst of them, and before it three of the former horns were rooted out: and, behold, there were eyes as the eyes of a man in this horn, and a mouth speaking great things. ... 21 I beheld, and that horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;LXX

 

[Ligurian]

Of course Satan comes out of the earth. The pit was created exactly for him and his fellow angels. That is his home, not earth. He comes and goes like you come and go in and out of your house.

The dragon is the star that fell to earth.* Prophecy isn't linear.
In Greek mythology, the Titans are kept in the pit... which is under the Black Sea, according to them.

The Great Sea was the Mediterranean.+ Did the beasts come from this area? or are they last-days imports? Remember that Persia conquered Asia-Minor, Palestine, Egypt, and at least part of Greece... making the Persian-bear liable to come from the Mediterranean.

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* Revelation 9:1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
+ Daniel 7:2 I Daniel beheld, and, lo, the four winds of heaven blew violently upon the great sea.

 

[Douggg]

Of course Satan has had access to the pit, the earth and heaven non stop since the beginning. The pit is his home base. Earth is his "day job". Accusing the brethren is his hobby that goes hand in hand with his job performance as a deceiver. Satan has never been banned from heaven, nor bound in the pit under "house arrest".

Yet Satan is constantly being cast out of heaven, because he has no grounds to even accuse the brethren, but yet he keeps up night and day non stop. It is not until the 7th Trumpet that Satan is banned from heaven, never to return.

The angels who rebelled have always been bound in the pit. They have not been able to do anything, but will be loosed at the 5th Trumpet. So they only have access to earth and heaven between the 5th and 7th Trumpets. This is a future event. They have not been loosed yet. People on earth will know when they are loosed. People on earth will not have any spiritual blindness at all at that point.

Demonic spirits do not come from angels. Demonic spirits come from reprobate humans including the sons of God prior to the Flood. There have been millions of reprobate humans, thus millions of demons loosed on the earth since the Flood. Genesis 6:3

"And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man,"

That is the struggle between Spirit and spirit. Adam's flesh was already dead and separated from God. God was pointing out that the sons of God and their desire to do wickedness put their spirit at odds with God's Spirit. Thus those spirits were becoming reprobate and demonic. I do not think the sons of God rebelled 100%. We are not told the percentage, and the sons of God were not confined to earth. We see in Job, there were still sons of God in a heavenly council.

The original sons of God were no longer allowed to exist on earth. As you can see, that Adam's flesh and blood prevailed through Noah and his three sons. Obviously any sons of God would stand out and just be subjected to Adam's sinful flesh and blood. If they corrupted themselves prior to the Flood, we see they could not save Adam's flesh and blood, but would just have sinful offspring themselves.

Satan has never been in the bottomless pit.

In Isaiah 14:12-15 is about the day that Satan will be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

The bottomless pit is not a place anyone would want to be their home.

In Revelation 20:2-3, Satan is cast into the bottomless pit. It is a prison because it says...

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

 

[Douggg]

Why does the little horn rule the beast, and the woman rule the kings... is little-horn and H.Babylon another set of synonyms? Do we ever see the little horn crowned?

The little horn person goes through a series of function roles before reaching his final role as the beast.

In sequence from start to finish, the functional roles are...

1. As the little horn, democratic leader of the EU, before Gog/Magog.... then

2. As the prince who shall come into the middle east, after God/Magog.... then

3. As the Antichrist - the King of Israel, perceived messiah to the Jews.... then

4. As revealed as the man of sin, and not the Jewish messiah after all.... then

5. As becoming the beast, dictator of the EU, and the world.

The ten kings will ten EU leaders, under the person as the little horn, and later under the person as the beast.

The harlot is Vatican in Rome, present in the nations through the RCC.... will be burnt to the ground by the ten EU leaders at the time of the beast.

Mystery Babylon the Great is the mystical kingdom of Satan and his angels overshadowing the earth.

 

[Douggg]

IMO, right here:
Daniel 7:8 I noticed his horns, and behold, another little horn came up in the midst of them, and before it three of the former horns were rooted out: and, behold, there were eyes as the eyes of a man in this horn, and a mouth speaking great things. ... 21 I beheld, and that horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;LXX

Remains to be seen regarding the three horns rooted out and when during the little horn's time. Maybe when they don't go along with the person when he goes into the temple claims to have achieved God-hood.

Or it maybe that politically, early in his rise to power, he removes them from their leadership positions.

I don't know.

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As far as his emergence that we know exactly who he is - it should not be far away because he has to be in power before Gog/Magog. And with the Russians activity in Ukraine, that likely is a preliminary to Gog/Magog.

 

[ewq1938]

The little horn person goes through a series of function roles before reaching his final role as the beast.

And zero scriptures to support this claim. That should concern you enough to stop claiming any of this is going to happen.

Besides, in Daniel the little horn is not a second beast but is part of the 4th beast.

 

[Ligurian]

Who is the 7th king, in your opinion?

Can anyone answer this question?
Because Daniel 7 makes it seem like all 4 beasts are world-dominion types. Some think king #7 must have been the Turkish Ottomans... who--wonder of wonders--are now perched upon the great sea, along with the Persians who never really left the lands they conquested (and from there spread underground via Mithras in the Roman armies).

Daniel 7:24 And his ten horns are ten kings that shall arise: and after them shall arise another, who shall exceed all the former ones in wickedness and he shall subdue three kings.LXX

Revelation 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

Why does the little horn rule the beast, and the woman rule the kings... is little-horn and H.Babylon another set of synonyms? Do we ever see the little horn crowned?

When was the beast wounded?
IMO, right here:
Daniel 7:8 I noticed his horns, and behold, another little horn came up in the midst of them, and before it three of the former horns were rooted out: and, behold, there were eyes as the eyes of a man in this horn, and a mouth speaking great things. ... 21 I beheld, and that horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;LXX

The little horn person goes through a series of function roles before reaching his final role as the beast.

In sequence from start to finish, the functional roles are...

1. As the little horn, democratic leader of the EU, before Gog/Magog.... then

2. As the prince who shall come into the middle east, after God/Magog.... then

3. As the Antichrist - the King of Israel, perceived messiah to the Jews.... then

4. As revealed as the man of sin, and not the Jewish messiah after all.... then

5. As becoming the beast, dictator of the EU, and the world.

The ten kings will ten EU leaders, under the person as the little horn, and later under the person as the beast.

I think the world needs to turns its collective back on the revived Roman Empire European Union theory. As I've said before, the EU can't even control its own borders, and keep multiculturalists from flooding Europe with aliens. What makes you think that will change? And what would happen to change what's happened to them? Personally, I don't think European nations are part of the endtimes. Christians are being warred upon, remember. And it used to be--before multiculturalism forced the pawn called Islam down their throats--that Europe was Christian. Before that, the WWs tried to force communism on them... that's what the allied-USSR did, and that's what happened to France and Hungary and Spain... world revolutions all being controlled by aliens. They force a war, murder the ruling class, and starve the peasants into becoming "workers of the world uniting" under the big red hand which, in fact, will never feed them. If anything, Daniel 7's iron teeth look like the gears of industry... yet another communist plank used to gather the working-class.

The harlot is Vatican in Rome, present in the nations through the RCC.... will be burnt to the ground by the ten EU leaders at the time of the beast.

Mystery Babylon the Great is the mystical kingdom of Satan and his angels overshadowing the earth.

The Vatican's wound was healed with the Lateran Treaty... but I still don't think the Vatican is anything but a puppet, similar to Islam... because ALL of the pieces don't fit. It's not hard to find where the mystery religion truly came from... but Rome took that in with all of the other religions, including Mithras, whirling-dervishes, ancestor-worship, and any other dog-and-pony-show passing for religion... and I STILL don't think the Vatican is anything but a strawman that draws your eyes away. Because the Vatican forced conversion at the point of a sword, just like Islam... so who knows what religion is being practiced by even their leaders, in secret? And Rome had ex-slaves from other countries as Emperors... were they loyal to Rome? I doubt it. There have always been spies.

Remains to be seen regarding the three horns rooted out and when during the little horn's time. Maybe when they don't go along with the person when he goes into the temple claims to have achieved God-hood.

Or it maybe that politically, early in his rise to power, he removes them from their leadership positions.

I don't know.

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As far as his emergence that we know exactly who he is - it should not be far away because he has to be in power before Gog/Magog. And with the Russians activity in Ukraine, that likely is a preliminary to Gog/Magog.

Ripped out by the roots, means those 3 kings are just plain gone... And that probably means those 3 kingdoms as well. God left Nebuchadnezzer's stump in the ground to secure his kingdom for when he repented.

Achieving god-hood is not a new thing, though, is it. Gen.3 says all you have to do is follow your own will, et viola! As the Freemasons say, "Do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the law."

I don't see Gog of Magog standing up twice, and still being a surprise that others will follow... unless the pulse happens and the internet goes away, and all the Bibles are burned, and word-of-mouth ceases to be, etc. In fact, I'm not entirely sure that Gog of Magog didn't happen when Asia Minor was still a Luwian-speaking country... or Gog of Magog happened in Britain, near the White Horse Hills, as commemorated by the wooden statues in London. Gotta say, I can't really get my head around Ezekiel, so I don't think about it.

 

[Douggg]

And zero scriptures to support this claim. That should concern you enough to stop claiming any of this is going to happen.

If you will notice, the sequence of the functional roles - corresponds to the sequence of scriptures which the person is referred to, i.e. by the progression of chapters.

btw, regarding the three mouths of the three individuals in Revelation 16, you didn't appreciate how I used your Nazi Germany analogy?

The correct identification is...

1. the dragon - Satan
2. the beast - the little horn person
3. the false prophet - a spokesman for Satan and the beast person.

In your Nazi Germany comparison, it would be...
the beast - Adolph Hitler, speaking great things
the false prophet - Joseph Goebbels, propaganda minister

 

[ewq1938]

If you will notice, the sequence of the functional roles

There is no such thing shown in scripture. The antichrist doesn't become the antichrist or beast over time or roles. The bible describes him instantly being who he is.

The little horn is immediately the little horn.
The antichrist is immediately the antichrist.
The beast of Revelation 13 is immediately the beast of Revelation 13.
The man of sin is immediately the man of sin.

Different names but all the same person.

 

[Douggg]

There is no such thing shown in scripture. The antichrist doesn't become the antichrist or beast over time or roles. The bible describes him instantly being who he is.

The little horn is immediately the little horn.
The antichrist is immediately the antichrist.
The beast of Revelation 13 is immediately the beast of Revelation 13.
The man of sin is immediately the man of sin.

Different names but all the same person.

What do you mean by "immediately" ?

Was Barak Obama immediately the President of the United States at the same time he was Senator?

Or JFK ?

Or was there a sequence of functional roles before becoming President?

 

[ewq1938]

What do you mean by "immediately" ?

Was Barak Obama immediately the President of the United States at the same time he was Senator?

Or JFK ?

Or was there a sequence of functional roles before becoming President?

That's unrelated to who the AC is. He is anti-Christ from the very moment he is in power, in fact even before that. He stands against Jesus.

 

[Douggg]

That's unrelated to who the AC is. He is anti-Christ from the very moment he is in power, in fact even before that. He stands against Jesus.

What do you mean he is the anti-Christ from "the very moment he is in power" ?

In power as what ?

 

[ewq1938]

What do you mean he is the anti-Christ from "the very moment he is in power" ?

In power as what ?

As the ruler of the ten horned empire. He isn't elected, he takes that power. He doesn't start out as a minion of satan, then gets elected to a higher position slowly climbing up like Presidents do. I believe he is the ruler of the whole world when the 6th trump sounds.

The First Beast
Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
Rev 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
Rev 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
Rev 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
Rev 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Rev 13:9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.
Rev 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
The Second Beast
Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
Rev 13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
Rev 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
Rev 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
Rev 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.


We disagree on which beast is the antichrist but that doesn't matter. Both beasts are immediately in power when they rise up. There is nothing about this slow rise to power through different positions etc. That's not in the bible regarding either of these beasts.

"The little horn person goes through a series of function roles before reaching his final role as the beast."

Not one scripture supports this. Everything we believe in should have at least one scripture to support it.

 

[Ligurian]

Besides, in Daniel the little horn is not a second beast but is part of the 4th beast.

In Revelation, a mouth is given to the First Beast.
I think the Second Beast and the little-horn of the First Beast are the same person.
Because in Daniel, there is no two-beast combination in the Fourth Beast description.
So then, Daniel's little-horn is the Second Beast in Revelation, aka Revelation's little-horn.

Make sense?

Now, job-overlap? or synonyms?

Daniel 7:21 I beheld, and that horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
Revelation 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Revelation 17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
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The rulers of nations rarely (if ever) follow the will of the people: the peasants are not the problem.