The Fall feasts.

[Shimshon]

That wasn't the question.

The question was: Why is it called Messanic Judaism?

Because we follow Judaism as revelaed by our Messiah.

 

[rick357]

That wasn't the question.

The question was: Why is it called Messanic Judaism?
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So if christian mean little christ and early believers took what was meant as an insult and applied it to themselves because their only desire was to be a exact replica of him....what religion did Jesus live his life in.

 

[ToBeBlessed]

So if christian mean little christ and early believers took what was meant as an insult and applied it to themselves because their only desire was to be a exact replica of him....what religion did Jesus live his life in.

This thread is about feasts, your way off topic.
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[rick357]

Where is that in the Word? This thread is about feasts, your way off topic.
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If so I followed you there...but nevertheless you are correct....so are you ready for Yom Kippur this saturday....how will you celebrate it....can you believe its almost christmass again

 

[murjahel]

2 Timothy 3:15-17 (KJV)
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

In verse 15 we see the words 'holy scriptures' which is the translation of
ιερα γραμματα (hieros grammata) meaning 'holy words spoken of God' and refers more to the nature of 'each word'.

In verse 16, we find a more common word used for the Bible, it is 'graphe' γραφη and refers to the books that are made up of the 'holy words'.

John 5:47 uses the word 'grammata' referring to the writings of Moses:
"But if ye believe not his writings (grammata), how shall ye believe My words?"

So both words in II Timothy refer to the Written Word of God, but one refers to the fact that each word, each letter even is inspired by God, and the other refers to the fact that the completed books are by His inspiration. There is no doubt to the fact that Paul is referring to Old Testament, as well as to New Testament writings, for Paul speaks of the writings that Timothy had heard taught by his mother, which could not have been the New Testament, for it was not written while Timothy was still a child.

The Old Testament does not disagree with the New Testament. The Old Testament is fulfilled in the New Testament. The lamb on the altars was fulfilled in Jesus on the cross. The feasts were fulfilled in the New Testament too. We do not negate their shadow truths... we do not denigrate the Old Testament showing of those shadows as evil. They are wonderful lessons, and we celebrate their fulfillment.

 

[murjahel]

We also know that every apostle was a fellow citizen and member of Yisrael. Who affirmed the holiness of scripture (Torah), and those defined as God's people, the household of God, who's calling as a holy nation IS irrevocable.

Fact is, it was those who rejected the Torah and the prophets who missed the comiing of our own king. Even more of a fact is Yisrael had rejected the Torah and prophets so long that as a whole they missed the coming of it's promised Messiah, King, and Savior. As a nation. But that was fortold as well. It happend so YOU gentiles could receive the promised blessing of our Messiah too. But we are also told that we Jews will regain our position, being as raised from the dead, to glorify God as Yisrael in the world to come. And those who do not hold this gospel have no place in the world to come. It's the 'mystery' Paul said he was revealed. Gentiles made as one with Yisrael.

Do you also know that it was a heretical Hasmonean kingship and priesthood that did such a thing to our Messiah? But you want us to blame all Jews it seems for the acts of those who forsook thier Jewishness for Pagan ways and rituals? Should we blame all Christians for murdering us Jews throughout the ages too? :o

I want to apologize for those words and sentiment that was spoken toward the Jewish people. I did not say them, and thank God that I never felt that way. I apologize that there is still that sentiment left in this world. Someday, it will be gone... but Jesus will have to come first.

1 John 4:7-8 (KJV)
Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

1 John 4:11 (KJV)
Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.

1 John 4:20-21 (KJV)
If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
And this commandment have we from Him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.

Love is the command from the Lord. Anti-Semitism is therefore a sin, for it is proof of lack of love.

Poor education, hurtful experiences in the past, have made some so hard hearted, that they never repented of the lack of love that anti-semitism proves is there. This results in continued and multiple sins.

Romans 13:8 (KJV)
Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

Romans 13:10 (KJV)
Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

 

[Shimshon]

Why would I celebrate Jewish holidays?

Because the only Savior available to all the world is the King of the Jews?

They did not just crucify 'just anyone', the Jews crucified the Son of God, our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Yes, the one the Torah and the Prophets spoke of and led to.

Luke 1
31 You will be with child and give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus.32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David,33 and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever; his kingdom will never end."
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What throne is given him? And what house will he reign over, forever? Can you say it...Y I S R A E L!

There is no other death or murder that can compare. Maybe God is punishing them still. They weren't an obedient bunch, that Yisrael. The OT is full of all their transgressions.

And full of our blessing and our promises. Maybe God is punishing us still? So you admit you don't understand or know?

You do not sing the praises of Yisrael........

Jeremiah 31
1 "At that time," declares the LORD, "I will be the God of all the clans of Israel, and they will be my people." 2 This is what the LORD says: "The people who survive the sword will find favor in the desert; I will come to give rest to Israel." 3 The LORD appeared to us in the past, saying: "I have loved you with an everlasting love; I have drawn you with loving-kindness. 4 I will build you up again and you will be rebuilt, O Virgin Israel. Again you will take up your tambourines and go out to dance with the joyful.5 Again you will plant vineyards on the hills of Samaria; the farmers will plant them and enjoy their fruit.6 There will be a day when watchmen cry out on the hills of Ephraim, 'Come, let us go up to Zion, to the LORD our God.' "

7 This is what the LORD says: "Sing with joy for Jacob; shout for the foremost of the nations. Make your praises heard, and say, 'O LORD, save your people, the remnant of Israel.'
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How can you say you follow God when you appear not to have the same heart for Yisrael as he? Has not God loved Yisrael with an EVERLASTING love? Has not God promised numerous times throughout the prophets that he will REBUILD Yisrael again, and make her as a virgin, pure and blameless?

Has not God said to "sing with joy FOR Jacob/Yisrael; shout among all nations. Make our praises heard AND SAY,

"O LORD SAVE YOUR PEOPLE, the remnant of YISRAEL"

Why do you not sing this praise? How can you say you follow God and have the heart of God and NOT sing this praise?

You do realize this is the exact same chapter as the revelation given Jeremiah of the New Covenant, right? A covenant made with JUDAH and YISRAEL! ?

31 "The time is coming," declares the LORD, "when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah. 32 It will not be like the covenant I made with their forefathers when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt, because they broke my covenant, though I was a husband to them, " declares the LORD. 33 "This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after that time," declares the LORD. "I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people.

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Can you not sing these praises?

 

[ToBeBlessed]

And your post show your own...A jew is good enough to die for you but not for your respect.
.....your fruit is showing!

I know who I am in Him, not in Yisrael, not in the Torah and not in OT feasts.

I love my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and who I am in Him:

Romans 6:3; Galatians 2:20; Colossians 3:1-3 In His Death
Romans 6:4 In His burial
Romans 6:5,8,11 In His resurrection
Ephesians 2:6 In His ascension
Romans 5:10-11 In His life
Ephesians 1:19-20In His Power
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[Shimshon]

I know who I am in Him, not in Yisrael, not in the Torah and not in OT feasts.

I love my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and who I am in Him:

One who can not sing the praises of Yisrael is far from knowing what God's will is.

 

[murjahel]

THE CHRISTIAN FAMILY IS ONE, BOTH JEWISH CHRISTIANS AND GENTILE CHRISTIANS... THE BIBLE IS PLAIN...

Ephesians 2:11-22 (KJV)
11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
14 For He is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in Himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16 And that He might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
18 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

 

[murjahel]

I think the expose of ideas and personal feelings is inappropriate for this board, or anywhere...

it is time to go to prayer and let God take over... it is shameful what is being said here...

we are to be Christians...
"by this shall all men know that ye are My disciples,
that ye love one another'

 

[ToBeBlessed]

I'm sorry, who crucified Jesus? I think you need to recheck your facts.

If the Spirit moves me.
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[rick357]

I know who I am in Him, not in Yisrael, not in the Torah and not in OT feasts.

I love my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and who I am in Him:

Romans 6:3; Galatians 2:20; Colossians 3:1-3 In His Death
Romans 6:4 In His burial
Romans 6:5,8,11 In His resurrection
Ephesians 2:6 In His ascension
Romans 5:10-11 In His life
Ephesians 1:19-20In His Power
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If we were talking to a man from mars and you showed this hurtfulness toward them.then you would show that you dont know

*[[2Ti 3:1-9]] RNKJV*
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of יהוה;
Having a form of reverence, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.

*[[1Co 13:1-8]] RNKJV*
Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not love, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not love, I am nothing.
And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not love, it profiteth me nothing.
Love suffereth long, and is kind; love envieth not; love vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
Love never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

Where do you believe your comments lay.

 

[jiminpa]

Start reporting these types of threads. They belong in a particular faith section instead of our Spirit-filled section here.

No, these topics were specifically addressed during the rules change, and are acceptable since there are Charismatic Messianics on this forum who have more in common with Charisma than the Messianic forum.

I started this thread. Do you want to cite any place on this forum where I have shown any hint of not being in line with the beliefs of the statement of purpose of this forum?

 

[ToBeBlessed]

If we were talking to a man from mars and you showed this hurtfulness toward them.then you would show that you dont know

*[[2Ti 3:1-9]] RNKJV*
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of יהוה;
Having a form of reverence, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.

*[[1Co 13:1-8]] RNKJV*
Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not love, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not love, I am nothing.
And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not love, it profiteth me nothing.
Love suffereth long, and is kind; love envieth not; love vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
Love never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

Where do you believe your comments lay.

I love my Christian brothers and sisters. You practice Judaism. I have no idea who you are or what you believe. You hop between this congregation and Messanic Judaism. You seem confused
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[ARBITER01]

No, these topics were specifically addressed during the rules change, and are acceptable since there are Charismatic Messianics on this forum who have more in common with Charisma than the Messianic forum.

Sorry, but Christianity has nothing to do with the law of Moses, never has and never will. And if people pushed that rule change recently, then they need to undo it since it only leads to strife like we see right here in this thread.

There is a particular section for this type of doctrine, and it belongs there, not here.

 

[Shimshon]

Sorry, but Christianity has nothing to do with the law of Moses, never has and never will. And if people pushed that rule change recently, then they need to undo it since it only leads to strife like we see right here in this thread.

There is a particular section for this type of doctrine, and it belongs there, not here.

Maybe you should take that up with the frog, as it seems he openly admits that he loves this topic in here. It's his 'baby' so to speak. Why don't you address his involvement? The strife comes from misrepresenting 'a whole group of members' as not Christian. Messianic=Christian, we are part of 'your' body. We accept you as part of our body, Yisrael. Why don't some people here sing the praises of Yisrael as God does and accept 'His' people as your own?

How classic, you defame the message of God's children and then blame us for causing the strife as we defend ourselves from your aggressive replacement theology.

 

[Shimshon]

None of those are saying that Jesus Christ is the Savior of all, the Only Begotten Son of the Father.

We are not part of your body, Yisrael. We are followers of Jesus Christ, specifically. Your Yisrael didn't graft us into them. Jesus Christ grafted US into Him, the vine.

How can you continue to reject the praises of Yisrael? Have you no knowledge of God's love for Yisrael? You say your grafted, but you obviously boast against the natural branches. What did Paul say would happen to those who do that?

 

[jiminpa]

You do know who Marcion is, no?

I don't.

 

[rick357]

None of those are saying that Jesus Christ is the Savior of all, the Only Begotten Son of the Father.

We are not part of your body, Yisrael. We are followers of Jesus Christ, specifically. Your Yisrael didn't graft us into them. Jesus Christ grafted US into Him, the vine.
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TBB heres the thing frog and I have been going back and forth about what Paul has said but I told him If he felt It was a aurguement instead of a discussion we could stop...none of my post have been attacks against someones person or race or faith...conversation leads to growth....I am not attacking you I want you to see that we can talk.... I have discussed the scriptures...there is one God...there is one body