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you don't know what you are talking about froggy!It would look funny, all of theses little sheds, rammed together, you gotta admit that? It is ok to make a little joke now and then...
Will people fight for a good spot?
seriously though, there will be a space shortage, you must admit that.
And what if one is near the sad person, who had to be there, but did not want to be, that could be a bummer.
Frog has said he believes it is christ living through us....for some reason he cant see that christ will perform in him what is in the law...but if the foundation laid is christ then I am his brother regardless...the judgment seat of christ will prove our works....this is a continuous act not a future event
So if our difference of understanding begins to cause ill feelings then I would rather cease and commit it to God...but if our dialogue can be continued as brothers then I will continue.
sooooooo....the feasts, were abolished, and that is that. Since God abolished them, as he did, who is man to resurrect the feasts? If God wanted us to keep them, the text would show, but what it does show, is not to keep em.
He became as a gentile, not a pharisee, not living under Judaism, don;t forget, soon he will say he died to the law in Gal 2:20...context my bro, context, the whole book is contextually streamlined!...
the context was, they, the church were trying to be Jewish, so Paul is saying he became as a gentile, why are you all trying to be Jewish?.
By the way, why were the Jewish Christians in Antioch, living as gentiles?
Get an Amplified...
12 Brethren, I beg of you, become as I am [free from the bondage of Jewish ritualism and ordinances], for I also have become as you are [[e]a Gentile]. You did me no wrong [[f]in the days when I first came to you; do not do it now].
*[[2Ti 3:14-17]] RNKJV*
But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Yahushua the Messiah.
All scripture is given by inspiration of יהוה, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of יהוה may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
*[[Gal 4:30-31]] RNKJV*
Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.
At the time Paul told these things to Timothy OT was the scripture....also Timothy's mother was a jew what he had learned from his youth was OT....Paul concludes all scripture as being for righteousness, reproof, doctrine,and correction.
*[[2Ti 3:14-17]] RNKJV*
But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Yahushua the Messiah.
All scripture is given by inspiration of יהוה, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of יהוה may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
*[[Gal 4:30-31]] RNKJV*
Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.
At the time Paul told these things to Timothy OT was the scripture....also Timothy's mother was a jew what he had learned from his youth was OT....Paul concludes all scripture as being for righteousness, reproof, doctrine,and correction.
Yes, it is 'all Scripture' that is given, and it still applies.
The law taught us something and still teaches us... What once was to be obeyed and was too difficult for any to do and succeed, is now natural for the born again, redeemed, empowered saint. We may fail the law, in weakness, but now the Lamb of sacrifice for sins, is already provided.
Also, the feasts taught us shadow truths, and now in the new covenant, the old covenant is still valuable, the feasts are observed for their fulfillment message, not as a means of salvation.
To miss seeing the great truths of the O.T., and to deny their message indicates to me that one has missed the truths of the new covenant too.
The Old Testament was given to the Jewish people for they were chosen to be the missionaries to the rest of the world. They failed in that, and now the 'church' of Gentiles and Jews, are given that same message.
It is not the Old Testament message that is faulty, but the Jews wanted to keep it all for themselves. We still have many shadow truths in the O.T., that we need to preach to this fulfillment time of the shadows.
I know it was OT scripture, as he used the bondwoman one to get the law teachers out, and the 2 tim verse was OT, but not about law, if you read the verse before it says what it was about, faith, (red above) not law, so both of your references you posted are not supporting your argument. Yes, Sure Paul used the OT, look at Romans 4, big time, it was about the imputation of righteousness, without law, without circumcision, sooooo..
Hab 2:4, the watchword of the reformation, "the just shall live by faith", that is an OT reference used 3 rimes in the NT, Rom 1:17, Gal 3:11, Heb 10:38, but it was about faith, not feast promotion!
Yes, it is 'all Scripture' that is given, and it still applies.
The law taught us something and still teaches us... What once was to be obeyed and was too difficult for any to do and succeed, is now natural for the born again, redeemed, empowered saint. We may fail the law, in weakness, but now the Lamb of sacrifice for sins, is already provided.
Also, the feasts taught us shadow truths, and now in the new covenant, the old covenant is still valuable, the feasts are observed for their fulfillment message, not as a means of salvation.
To miss seeing the great truths of the O.T., and to deny their message indicates to me that one has missed the truths of the new covenant too.
The Old Testament was given to the Jewish people for they were chosen to be the missionaries to the rest of the world. They failed in that, and now the 'church' of Gentiles and Jews, are given that same message.
It is not the Old Testament message that is faulty, but the Jews wanted to keep it all for themselves. We still have many shadow truths in the O.T., that we need to preach to this fulfillment time of the shadows.
Again context....Galatians is written to those who seek to be justified by the law....as we both know that is not possible....it is Jesus death and our placement in that death which justifies us.
But righteosness comes from his resurrection and that same spirit that raised him living in us ... When that sporit lives through us he does those things found in the law.
When you read
*[[Joh 1:17]] RNKJV* For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Yahushua the Messiah.
You see replacement....but that is not there....Moses told us what was right...but the gift to live it and the truth of what was said is through Jesus the anointed of God.
It is not generally called Messianic Christianity, because too many Jews have been trained to consider Christianity a persecutor, and the name would become divisive.Yet there are gentiles in the MJ movement. Which by the way, why isn't it called Messianic Christianity?
Anyway, I am enjoying the feast thread, glad you started it, thanks, frog.
Most know that there are truths, analogies, images, types, symbols etc, in the OT.
But you ignore the simple truth, Paul fought this stuff off the church, because mainly, he feared the bondage, the dynamic principle behind this teaching. Yes, there are prohecies in the OT too, yup...
But why did Paul write emphatically what he did, against those who were promoting Judaism, to grow by?
But it contains spiritual words, like loosing freedom, and being in bondage, as I have said countless times.
They were running well, in 5:7, spiritually, until the law people came who wanted to add feasts for growth, read 3:3, perfecting through the flesh, trying to mature by Judaism, so lets not ignore the spiritual ramifications, and dynamics, and why Paul feared this stuff creeping in hid churches.
But it contains spiritual words, like loosing freedom, and being in bondage, as I have said countless times.
They were running well, in 5:7, spiritually, until the law people came who wanted to add feasts for growth, read 3:3, perfecting through the flesh, trying to mature by Judaism, so lets not ignore the spiritual ramifications, and dynamics, and why Paul feared this stuff creeping in hid churches.
It is not generally called Messianic Christianity, because too many Jews have been trained to consider Christianity a persecutor, and the name would become divisive.
No, he's giving a very accurate description of how Messianic Jews feel about being 'converted' to (Marcionic) Christianity.And what facts do you have to substantiate that opinion? Or are you making this up as you go?
That wasn't the question.No, he's giving a very accurate description of how Messianic Jews feel about being 'converted' to (Marcionic) Christianity.
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