The Fall feasts.

[Frogster]

*[[Act 23:6]] RNKJV* But when Paul perceived that the one part were Sadducees, and the other Pharisees, he cried out in the council, Men and brethren, I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee: of the hope and resurrection of the dead I am called in question.

Lived is not a past tense....If some would testifie they would say I've lived as a disciple od christ...
Not a past tense a description of how he has lived.
I am is presant tense.

ummm..but I was quoting Acts 26 there, not 23.

alrighty now..

I covered the 23:6 verse.

You are ignoring Phil 3, and the poop, the former life in Judaism in gal 1, Gal 4;12, and the rest of the stuff.

 

[rick357]

You are not Messianic if you don't associate yourself with the Messianics. You can't be a Messianic Jew if you are not Jewish.

Probably said that badly...I understand what your saying....but I still prefer no dividing line. There are messianics I consider as my brothers and sisters...and pentacostles...and babtist...and charismatics....ect.

 

[jiminpa]

Probably said that badly...I understand what your saying....but I still prefer no dividing line. There are messianics I consider as my brothers and sisters...and pentacostles...and babtist...and charismatics....ect.

I understand. I guess I don't consider all distinctions divisive. I see it as not being able to fellowship with everyone, and so I have to choose.

 

[Frogster]

sooooooo....the feasts, were abolished, and that is that. Since God abolished them, as he did, who is man to resurrect the feasts? If God wanted us to keep them, the text would show, but what it does show, is not to keep em.

 

[Frogster]

You are not Messianic if you don't associate yourself with the Messianics. You can't be a Messianic Jew if you are not Jewish.

Yet there are gentiles in the MJ movement. Which by the way, why isn't it called Messianic Christianity?

Anyway, I am enjoying the feast thread, glad you started it, thanks, frog.

 

[rick357]

*[[Phi 3:5-7]] RNKJV* Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;

Concerning zeal, persecuting the assembly; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.

But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for the Messiah

In context Paul is dealing with those who where teaching the gentiles they must become proselytes....so he is saying if being Jews qualifies them to teach you then I am more qualified

Was he no longer circumsised?...was he no longer an Israelite...a hebrew....from the tribe of Benjamin....a hebrew....a pharisee

 

[rick357]

Yet there are gentiles in the MJ movement. Which by the way, why isn't it called Messianic Christianity?

Anyway, I am enjoying the feast thread, glad you started it, thanks, frog.

Redundancy...and most feel when christians left Judaism and took on pagan traditions they made a new religion around 300a.d.

 

[rick357]

sooooooo....the feasts, were abolished, and that is that. Since God abolished them, as he did, who is man to resurrect the feasts? If God wanted us to keep them, the text would show, but what it does show, is not to keep em.

The truth in them can not pass away as heaven and earth are still here.

 

[Frogster]

*[[Phi 3:5-7]] RNKJV* Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;

Concerning zeal, persecuting the assembly; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.

But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for the Messiah

In context Paul is dealing with those who where teaching the gentiles they must become proselytes....so he is saying if being Jews qualifies them to teach you then I am more qualified

Was he no longer circumsised?...was he no longer an Israelite...a hebrew....from the tribe of Benjamin....a hebrew....a pharisee

you left out the poop verse.

well sure he was of that tribe, yes he was still a hebrew, yes he was circumcised, he can't change that! Well, actually that they can change, the snipping part.

red above, counted loss, that means he lost it, it is gone.

 

[Frogster]

Redundancy...and most feel when christians left Judaism and took on pagan traditions they made a new religion around 300a.d.

I was wondering why it is not called Messianic Christianity?

The feasts were of judaism, hence the group tries to fuse the church to the Old Cov.

 

[NannaNae]

the "fall" feasts .. creates a seasonal dilemma ...speaking in humor..

where i am... its Spring

the new will all have the same season.. and one time zone Jerusalem time.....

 

[rick357]

*[[Gal 1:13]] RNKJV* For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the assembly of יהוה, and wasted it:

We know conversation is conduct...and religion is systimatic worship
As we have established the law is a proof of sin and death when carried out in the flesh...but it becomes life in christ when carried out by the aporit in us.

 

[rick357]

you left out the poop verse.

well sure he was of that tribe, yes he was still a hebrew, yes he was circumcised, he can't change that! Well, actually that they can change, the snipping part.

red above, counted loss, that means he lost it, it is gone.

No he counted the recognition that false teachers were seeking as dung.....the power over the body they were after as dung....that he would rather establish christ in them than Lord some ridiculas credintials over there head.

 

[rick357]

*[[Gal 4:12]] RNKJV* Brethren, I beseech you, be as I am; for I am as ye are: ye have not injured me at all.

Again context of message they can not be justified by the law....as Paul say he can not be justified by it either...despite his listed credentials

 

[NannaNae]

so millions of little sheds scattered about?

the SuKKah is speaking about a different covering ...... start studying and praying alot more dude .. because you don't have clue what you are talking about.
and grace only covers so much willful ignorance.


edited to say ..
2Co 10:5
Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;


1Co 15:34
Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

Col 1:10
That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God;

 

[Frogster]

No he counted the recognition that false teachers were seeking as dung.....the power over the body they were after as dung....that he would rather establish christ in them than Lord some ridiculas credintials over there head.

wha!?

no, he counted them as dung...that is an objective fact.

7 But whatever gain I had, I counted as loss for the sake of Christ. 8 Indeed, I count everything as loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. For his sake I have suffered the loss of all things and count them as rubbish, in order that I may gain Christ


red above, and you forgot, he lost them, that means he did not live as a pharisee.

 

[Frogster]

*[[Gal 4:12]] RNKJV* Brethren, I beseech you, be as I am; for I am as ye are: ye have not injured me at all.

Again context of message they can not be justified by the law....as Paul say he can not be justified by it either...despite his listed credentials

He became as a gentile, not a pharisee, not living under Judaism, don;t forget, soon he will say he died to the law in Gal 2:20...context my bro, context, the whole book is contextually streamlined!...

the context was, they, the church were trying to be Jewish, so Paul is saying he became as a gentile, why are you all trying to be Jewish?.

By the way, why were the Jewish Christians in Antioch, living as gentiles?

Get an Amplified...



12 Brethren, I beg of you, become as I am [free from the bondage of Jewish ritualism and ordinances], for I also have become as you are [[e]a Gentile]. You did me no wrong [[f]in the days when I first came to you; do not do it now].

 

[Frogster]

the SuKKah is speaking about a different covering ...... start studying and praying alot more dude .. because you don't have clue what you are talking about.
and grace only covers so much willful ignorance.


edited to say ..
2Co 10:5
Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;


1Co 15:34
Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

Col 1:10
That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God;

It would look funny, all of theses little sheds, rammed together, you gotta admit that? It is ok to make a little joke now and then...

Will people fight for a good spot?

seriously though, there will be a space shortage, you must admit that.

And what if one is near the sad person, who had to be there, but did not want to be, that could be a bummer.

 

[Frogster]

the SuKKah is speaking about a different covering ...... start studying and praying alot more dude .. because you don't have clue what you are talking about.
and grace only covers so much willful ignorance.


edited to say ..
2Co 10:5
Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;


1Co 15:34
Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

Col 1:10
That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God;

red above, just so u know, Paul was using that against the Judaizers that were invading Corinth..

 

[NannaNae]

"ritualism and ordinances" you have no clue what these are.
they are not the law, they are not the feast
but everything man adds to His ways an His days.
the laws of grace... don't touch, don't read the OT , don't worry , do what you will , be happy.. just say the right prayer.

like not walking to far on sabbeth. like walking around with your hand over your face bumping into things so much that they called them 'bloody pharisee'( or saduucee..) because they were always all bruised up and cut up and black eyed..
they did that so that you do not look at a woman lustfully.. it meant nothing to the evil going on in their heart.. that part of their tradition just pure vanity and white washing tombstones. but they were special because they had a special covenant and said all their prayers just the right way...

His law is not vain and his feast are not vain.
man is vain.
man's mind is vanity.
there sure ain't nothing new under this sun.