"The Evolution of a specific survival, is different from the optimal survival for that Evolution"

[Bungle_Bear]

Creation is no less science, than Evolution.

The character of your observations are what are in question, here.

Pretending that moral observations have no moral dimension, borders on the deranged.

Take it here

 

[Gottservant]

Take it here

What you are observing by way of this forum, is not science - you are failing your own test.

 

[DiscipleOfChrist85]

And you can't even see the irony of your own statements for someone who constantly whines about evolutionists being vague or decrying evolution as dishonest you do a terrible job and convincing people that you do those things. Also evolution is a natural well documented phenomena, there is no moral dimension you just attach one because it confirms your bias.

 

[Gottservant]

And you can't even see the irony of your own statements for someone who constantly whines about evolutionists being vague or decrying evolution as dishonest you do a terrible job and convincing people that you do those things. Also evolution is a natural well documented phenomena, there is no moral dimension you just attach one because it confirms your bias.

It confirms my moral bias?

My moral bias being something good?

Who are you to adopt a position that has none (no moral bias)?

Sin is believing you don't have to do it, for moral reasons.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Why do I keep asking for a layman's understanding, of something I am defamed by every day?

You are thinking of Evolution in general - that doesn't interest me? I am asking for a specific concept, one that you would say was "yes! those specific set of causes, lead to Evolution"?

You can't be a leading interpretation, without the possibility of guiding differences of opinion, to a more established conclusion?

Jesus dying on the cross, was the result of prayer, words and commitment to the consequences of those prayers and words, if you are interested in Jesus: I can guide you to evidence of His motive, His conscience and His Spirit.

Why do you refuse to learn (the Gospel)? Why do you not translate what you say is Evolution, into a context that affirms Jesus transcending every possible constraint, including Evolution?

If I mutate the words "the exalted will be humbled and the humbled will be exalted" - I don't get the result that "the exalted will be exalted and the humbled will be humbled": that mutation is eliminated? Because it doesn't make sense? You are never going to evolve exalted exaltedness - please grasp this?

But you're not asking for a layman's understanding of evolution, because if you were, you would accept what people tell you about evolution and leave these threads behind.

Instead, you just keep asking these stupid, nonsensical questions about what you think evolution is about, and when you're told you're wrong and are told what evolution and the theory of evolution says, you just go off and make another stupid and nonsensical thread.

 

[Gottservant]

But you're not asking for a layman's understanding of evolution, because if you were, you would accept what people tell you about evolution and leave these threads behind.

Instead, you just keep asking these stupid, nonsensical questions about what you think evolution is about, and when you're told you're wrong and are told what evolution and the theory of evolution says, you just go off and make another stupid and nonsensical thread.

Yes but the spirit of an interpretation is less than the whole of theory, until it is understood.

You are trying to educate me on an interpretation, for which I do not understand the spirit - and you are trying to tell me that that means I don't have the capacity: that does not make sense.

Please distinguish between what you mean by good and bad Evolution, and stop telling me that they are the same thing.

Adam and Eve have eaten the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil: if you can't communicate your theory, in the terms of this fruit, you have no claim - not to history, to truth or any other establishing factor.

The fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil has been eaten, therefore everything must be explained with this dimension in mind!

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Yes but the spirit of an interpretation is less than the whole of theory, until it is understood.

You are trying to educate me on an interpretation, for which I do not understand the spirit - and you are trying to tell me that that means I don't have the capacity: that does not make sense.

Please distinguish between what you mean by good and bad Evolution, and stop telling me that they are the same thing.

Adam and Eve have eaten the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil: if you can't communicate your theory, in the terms of this fruit, you have no claim - not to history, to truth or any other establishing factor.

The fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil has been eaten, therefore everything must be explained with this dimension in mind!

And yet, all you do is ask nonsensical and gibberish questions that you don't want th answer to.

There is no such thing as good and bad evolution, there is just evolution. Evolution is just a process in biology. Why and how is that hard for you to understand?

 

[Gottservant]

And yet, all you do is ask nonsensical and gibberish questions that you don't want th answer to.

There is no such thing as good and bad evolution, there is just evolution. Evolution is just a process in biology. Why and how is that hard for you to understand?

Why can't you understand that we live in a world where the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil, come first in relation to anything including Evolution?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Why can't you understand that we live in a world where the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil, come first in relation to anything including Evolution?

And yet, there is no such thing as good and bad evolution. There is just evolution, which is a biological process. Do you understand this? It's not a religion, it's a morality system, it's not a theological belief, it's just a process in biology.

 

[Gottservant]

And yet, there is no such thing as good and bad evolution. There is just evolution, which is a biological process. Do you understand this? It's not a religion, it's a morality system, it's not a theological belief, it's just a process in biology.

I am not saying you have a choice whether or not you believe in good or bad Evolution, I am saying a natural consequence of the eating of the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil, means that everything, including Evolution will be interpreted in this light:

you do not have a choice

not as to whether you like the idea, or its relevant or moral or anything

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I am not saying you have a choice whether or not you believe in good or bad Evolution, I am saying a natural consequence of the eating of the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil, means that everything, including Evolution will be interpreted in this light:

you do not have a choice

not as to whether you like the idea, or its relevant or moral or anything

But there is no such thing as good or bad evolution. There is just evolution.

 

[DiscipleOfChrist85]

I am not saying you have a choice whether or not you believe in good or bad Evolution, I am saying a natural consequence of the eating of the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil, means that everything, including Evolution will be interpreted in this light:

you do not have a choice

not as to whether you like the idea, or its relevant or moral or anything

What does eating the fruit have to do with evolution ? Seriously all you do is ask a bunch of nonsensical questions then you go on a nonsensical rant on what you think evolution should be. Why can't you accept evolution is just a process with no moral implications whatso ever

 

[DiscipleOfChrist85]

Yes but the spirit of an interpretation is less than the whole of theory, until it is understood.

You are trying to educate me on an interpretation, for which I do not understand the spirit - and you are trying to tell me that that means I don't have the capacity: that does not make sense.

Please distinguish between what you mean by good and bad Evolution, and stop telling me that they are the same thing.

Adam and Eve have eaten the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil: if you can't communicate your theory, in the terms of this fruit, you have no claim - not to history, to truth or any other establishing factor.

The fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil has been eaten, therefore everything must be explained with this dimension in mind!

Also where do you get this ridiculous idea that everything has to be explained based on the fact Adam and eve ate the fruit how does that make sense ?

 

[TLK Valentine]

What does eating the fruit have to do with evolution ? Seriously all you do is ask a bunch of nonsensical questions then you go on a nonsensical rant on what you think evolution should be. Why can't you accept evolution is just a process with no moral implications whatso ever

In another thread, Gottservant identified as schizophrenic... just so you know.

 

[AV1611VET]

In another thread, Gottservant identified as schizophrenic... just so you know.

Post #8 ... just so you know.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Post #8 ... just so you know.

By any chance, did you Google what he said?

 

[AV1611VET]

By any chance, did you Google what he said?

I did.