The EU will be the hardest thing to develop

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by DoubleJ23, Dec 7, 2017.

  1. Francis Drake Returning adventurer.

    United Kingdom
    I suspect you are misreading me.
    I am very aware that the ten kings are concurrent. The EU is the first of those ten and probably the most important.
    Take note that currently, the EU is a conglomerate of separate nations that according to the blurb, "pool their sovereignty." But two days ago, one of the German leaders called for the EU into the United States of Europe.
    When that happens the EU will become a single sovereign nation, one of the ten toes.
    The other toes will undoubtedly start in the same way as the EU did, a trading bloc.
    Another example is NAFTA, slowly being primed for the ten toes.

    You need to read my post No49.
    In Daniel we read about Nebuchadnezzar's dream of the huge statue, with head of gold, then silver, then bronze, then iron, then iron and clay.
    Watch how Daniel describes its destruction.-
    Daniel2v34“You continued looking until a stone was cut out without hands, and it struck the statue on its feet of iron and clay and crushed them. 35“Then the iron, the clay, the bronze, the silver and the gold were crushed all at the same time and became like chaff from the summer threshing floors; and the wind carried them away so that not a trace of them was found. But the stone that struck the statue became a great mountain and filled the whole earth.
    In the final kingdom period, the Rock, Christ, strikes at the feet (the ten toes NWO) crushing them.
    Daniel then goes on to say that the iron, clay, bronze, silver, gold, were all at the same time reduced to chaff and blown away with the wind!
    This makes it clear that the final kingdom contains all the previous kingdoms. ie. It is clear that Babylon is alive and well in the NWO.
  2. Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

    United States
    I saw in your profile UKIP. :).

    Nigel Farage is my favorite politician. :oldthumbsup:

    I have watched many many of him at the EU parliament on You Tube.

    What I am saying is that so far the EU has not let the Britain out, in spite of the vote.

    What do you mean by "exert control over us for maybe another 8 years" ? Do you mean not out of the EU as a member for maybe 8 years?
  3. Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

    United States
    The "project" idealists have been wanting that for a long time. Becoming the United States of Europe would mean an actual equivalent to the president of the United States.

    The EU currently has several presidents, but not one president over everyone. All very confusing. The biggest bureaucratic mess ever. The intent being, imo, to sell the EU idea, that a "mein fuerer" can not be repeated.

    I am going to summarize what I read at wikipedia President of the European Union - Wikipedia

    The president of the European Council.
    The president of the European Commission.
    The president of the European Parliament.

    Then there is also the rotating presidency of The Council of the European Union (The council of ministers, also referred to as "the council". Presidency in this case is held by a country, not a person. The meetings are "chaired" by the minisiter from that country.

    The Presidency of the Council of the European Union has been held by Estonia (and by extension Prime Minister Jüri Ratas) since 1 July 2017.

    Francis Drake, you did not answer the questions in my post. The United Nations won't fit the prophecies of being the Kingdom of the Beast. It's the EU.

    Gog/Magog might spell the end of the U.N. Or following, maybe a relocate to Rome - something totally unexpected. We are going to know more as events unfold.
  4. Francis Drake Returning adventurer.

    United Kingdom
    One of the few. We must keep praying for him and the few others who speak the truth.
    He is a watchman standing in the gap for this nation!
    It has nothing to do with the EU letting us out. We could revoke the 1972 European Communities Act and walk away tomorrow, if we had a government loyal to the UK.

    Our problem is that this country is ruled by globalists who serve the New World Order vision. They never believed for one moment that the people would be so foolish as to vote to leave the EU.
    They are now faced with doing something they hate. That's why they are doing their best to undermine the referendum.
    Britain must get out of this evil empire and take back its total sovereignty. Entering the "Common Market" as it was called back then, was an act of treason against this land. PM Ted Heath was a traitor who should have been hanged for what he did in surrendering the sovereignty of this nation to a foreign government.

    If you don't already know it, the EU was a plan originating in the Nazi party. They realised they would lose the war so they came up with a plan to establish German hegemony via economic dominion.
    This is no mere conspiracy theory, it is well documented fact.
    Sorry, I can't find the article right now. To get the so called 2 year transition period as we leave, plus a trade agreement, Britain must submit to EU court over-rulership for something like 8 years.
    Be assured that Philip Hammond and his Remainer friends will do everything in their power to maintain the status quo of EU rule over us, even if by the back door small print.
  5. Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

    United States
    I was thinking there was a big monetary payment that Britain had to pay the EU to be allowed out.
  6. Francis Drake Returning adventurer.

    United Kingdom
    Its not a question of being "allowed" anything. A sovereign nation can rescind any treaty it wants to.
    The real issue at stake is that our leaders belong to the NWO cabal, Bilderberg Group etc, and are more interested in obeying them than the voters.

    The only reason that they promised a monetary payment is because Theresa May is an appeaser. The EU are demanding this money for our continued access to the EU.

    What is being ignored is that the EU exports more to the UK than the UK exports to the EU. ie. In a trade war, EU industry will lose heavily. Theresa the appeaser is far too weak to make that stance.
    Britain is a world trader and we can easily survive without EU trade

    Additionally, in any normal divorce, or dissolving of a business partnership, the total assets are divided between the two the parties. If any payment is owed, it should be to the UK, not the EU.
  7. Francis Drake Returning adventurer.

    United Kingdom
    Sorry Dougg, but "Mein Fuhrer" is exactly what they are aiming at, and have been aiming at from the very beginning.
    If I were you Dougg, I'd chuck that Wiki article in the bin. Its a sanitised version presented for public consumption.
    The most powerful organisation in that chart is the unelected EU Commission. The Parliament is a toothless debating chamber and has no power to initiate laws.

    I should add here that I have been battling the EU in prayer and street campaigning since the early 90s. I bought myself the Treaty of Rome and the Treaty of Maastricht, and used them to prove my points on the street. When I showed people what it said about our sovereignty, they were horrified at the lies emanating from all 3 Westminster parties.
    I disagree Dougg.
    I agree that the EU is the prime mover, but it is only one amongst ten nations of the world.
    Haven't time right now but will try and address it later.
    BTW, are you familiar with the Bilderberg Group or the Illuminati?

    About 12 years ago, I was asked to give a talk on the EU and prophecy. I was outside of the church at that time, and it was a private house group also outside of church. I knew a few of the people from the past.
    The talk seemed to go quite well and I was thanked for it.

    A few weeks later, I was confronted by an acquaintance who had not been at the talk, a man I had led to the Lord a few years earlier.
    He had never managed to let go of his nefarious connections and had been involved in a number of dubious organisations. He came with a message that he had been ordered to kill me if I ever gave a talk on that subject again!
    How his masters (a certain brotherhood) knew what I was saying in a private house is open to speculation, but it shows that these people hate the truth being exposed.
  8. Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

    United States
    Yes, I am familiar with those groups. But what I look at though is what is "craft" as spoken of in Daniel 8, that the little horn person uses in ascent to power.

    Are you aware in Kaballah that there is a belief that the advanced practitioners can harness the angels to
    work toward the paractioners goal, whatever that might be ? At some point the little horn person becomes convinced in his heart that he has achieved God-hood, which I think is because he will have gotten so immersed that Satan twists his mind around.

    There is an interesting story available online about a rabbi that got wrapped up into Kabballah wanting to bring about the messianic era that ended very badly. It is called the rise and fall of Rabbi Della Reina.
    Kabbalah and the Antichrist
  9. Francis Drake Returning adventurer.

    United Kingdom
    According to Strong's, "craft" only means deceit.
    Being convinced he has achieved God-hood is a good description of successive popes.
  10. Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

    United States
    24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.

    25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.


    Ezekiel 28:
    Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:

    3 Behold, thou art wiser than Daniel; there is no secret that they can hide from thee:

    4 With thy wisdom and with thine understanding thou hast gotten thee riches, and hast gotten gold and silver into thy treasures:

    5 By thy great wisdom and by thy traffick hast thou increased thy riches, and thine heart is lifted up because of thy riches:

    6 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thou hast set thine heart as the heart of God;

    7 Behold, therefore I will bring strangers upon thee, the terrible of the nations: and they shall draw their swords against the beauty of thy wisdom, and they shall defile thy brightness.

    8 They shall bring thee down to the pit, and thou shalt die the deaths of them that are slain in the midst of the seas.

    9 Wilt thou yet say before him that slayeth thee, I am God? but thou shalt be a man, and no God, in the hand of him that slayeth thee.

    10 Thou shalt die the deaths of the uncircumcised by the hand of strangers: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord GOD.


    4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
  11. Francis Drake Returning adventurer.

    United Kingdom
    Excellent scriptures Doug, but tell me more as I'm not sure what you are saying about them.

    They are obviously about man exalting himself above God.
  12. Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

    United States
    I think this may change the way you look at the end times scenario.

    The person almost universally called the Antichrist as a blanket term - is only the Antichrist while he is in the role of being the King of Israel. At other times, he is not the Antichrist. But in other roles.

    The person starts out as the little horn, leader of the EU, then
    Becomes the Daniel 9:26 prince who shall come (from the EU) into the middle east following Gog/Magog, then
    Becomes anointed the King of Israel, perceived messiah to the Jews, making him the Antichrist, then
    Becomes the revealed man of sin (not yet the beast of Revelation 13), after about 3 years 3 months, committing the "transgression of desolation".

    For which, God has the person killed in Ezekiel 28:1-10 for the act of sitting in the temple claiming to have achieved God-hood. Prince of tyre is merely a code name for the person, similar to King of tyrus in the second half of Ezekiel 28 is a code name for Satan.

    Once killed, the person finds himself in hell mocked, before God in disdain for the person brings him back alive because he destroys his land and his people. He is a Jew. Likened as an abominable branch - which Jesus in the bible is referred to as the righteous branch (descended from Jesse, David's father).

    Isaiah 14:
    18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.

    19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.

    20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.


    Brought back to life, the person enters the role of being the beast of Revelation 13, no longer the King of Israel, no longer the Antichrist because the Jews will have impeached him as their King when he committed the transgression of desolation, the act of sitting in the temple claiming to have achieved God-hood.

    Daniel 8
    13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?

    When God has the person killed and brought back to life, the person enters the role as being the beast. That's when he has dominion over the entire world. To continue the last 42 months of the 7 years.

    Revelation 13:
    3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

    5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

    In Revelation 17:10, there are 7 sequential kings of the fourth empire, the Roman Empire. Six have been accounted for, historically. Julius Caesar, Augustus Caesar, Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius, Nero. Nero was the last of the Julio-Claudian family. The next dynasty were the Flavians.

    The little horn person, leader of the EU, essentially the end times Roman Empire, will be the one yet to come.

    Revelation 17:
    10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

    11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

    The continue the short space - the short space is the 42 months in Revelation 13:5, above - as the beast, the eighth Julio-Claudian king of the Roman Empire. Having started out as the seventh king, in the little horn role.

    So the person appears to have to be descended from that Julio-Claudian bloodline, and also be a Jew.


    Once becoming the beast, the false prophet has an image made of him, and placed in the temple.

    Revelation 13:
    14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

    The image, a statue, will be the abomination of desolation.

    Matthew 24:

    15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand )

    16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

    21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
    Daniel 12:

    11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

    12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.


    Since Daniel 9:27 covers the 70th week (7 years) of the 70 weeks, that is 2520 days, by subtracting 1335 days - we can count on the abomination of desolation, the image of the beast, to be set up in the temple on day 1185, if counting the day the person in the role of being the Antichrist, perceived messiah to the Jews, confirms the Mt. Sinai covenant as being day 1.

    When the person, after being in the role of being the Antichrist for about (guess-timate, because we don't know the day nor hour) 3 years, 3 months, commits the transgression of desolation, revealing himself to be the man of sin; according to 2thessalonians2:3-4, that triggers the Day of the Lord. Which peace will be taken from the world, as God brings outsiders to Israel to have the person killed, as it indicates in Ezekiel 28:1-10.

    Killed and subsequently brought back to life in Isaiah 14:18-19, now in the role of being the beast, the image of him will be made, the abomination of desolation, triggering the Great Tribulation, on day 1185 of the seven years.

    The two witnesses battle with the beast in Revelation 11, from day 1185 to day 1260 when they are killed.

    During that 75 days, warned by Jesus and the two witnesses when they see the abomination of desolation setup, the Jews will be fleeing to the mountains, as the two witnesses provide cover, before the window for fleeing is closed, and them who don't flee right away, will be trapped in Jerusalem, until Jesus returns to save them in Zechariah 14.

    Once the two witnesses are killed on Day 1260, three and a half days later, they come to life and ascend to heaven on Day 1263.5, leaving 1256.5 days in the 7 years. The bible simply refers to that 1256.5 days as 42 months in Revelation 13:5 that the beast will rule unimpeded by the two witnesses which will have left the world.

    So back to Daniel 8 and Ezekiel 28:1-10, the troubles begin when the person begins to magnify himself in his heart that he has achieved God-hood.

    A quick recap of the person:

    First as the little horn;
    then as the prince who shall come
    then as the Antichrist
    then as the revealed man of sin
    then as the beast