The Entropy of the Bible

[AV1611VET]

Irrelevant. A square with three sides isn't a square anymore but a triangle.

It is???

Since when did the sides of a square go from being parallel to convergent?

Pi without the decimals isn't Pi anymore.

I asked the value of Pi, with its decimal places truncated.

• Step 1: determine the value to Pi to four decimal places
• Step 2: truncate the decimal places
• Step 3: post the number that is left

 

[Hespera]

What is the value of Pi, with its decimal places truncated?

That of course, is the point about Pi=3.0, as per the bible.

It gives an approximation, "truncated" if you wish.

Either everything in the bible is 100% literally true, or it has approximations, metaphors, fables etc.

I have a small collection of "explanations" for how the measurements leading to Pi=3 are literally and exactly true, with the explanations being mutually contradictory.

Occasionally there is someone who believes in the bible but has the capacity to recognize an approximation as opposed to an exact literal Truth.
If you are one of them then good for you.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

What is the value of Pi, with its decimal places truncated?

It's still 3.1415926...; truncate the decimals and it's no longer pi. But then, we all know the simple solution to that Biblical puzzle: if the '10 cubits' referred to the outer diameter, and the '30 cubits' referred to the inner circumference, then the ratio would be correct if the bowl were four inches thick.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

That of course, is the point about Pi=3.0, as per the bible.

It gives an approximation, "truncated" if you wish.

Either everything in the bible is 100% literally true, or it has approximations, metaphors, fables etc.

To be fair, even AV doesn't believe the entire Bible is 100% literally true. I recall him saying that one part or other was metaphorical (I forget which).

 

[AV1611VET]

That of course, is the point about Pi=3.0, as per the bible.

It gives an approximation, "truncated" if you wish.

Either everything in the bible is 100% literally true, or it has approximations, metaphors, fables etc.

I have a small collection of "explanations" for how the measurements leading to Pi=3 are literally and exactly true, with the explanations being mutually contradictory.

Occasionally there is someone who believes in the bible but has the capacity to recognize an approximation as opposed to an exact literal Truth.
If you are one of them then good for you.

Approximations can take a hike --- I'm talking truncating.

• 3.9 approximated is 4.0
• 3.9 truncated is 3

 

[Hespera]

It's still 3.1415926...; truncate the decimals and it's no longer pi. But then, we all know the simple solution to that Biblical puzzle: if the '10 cubits' referred to the outer diameter, and the '30 cubits' referred to the inner circumference, then the ratio would be correct if the bowl were four inches thick.

The four inch thick rim would help a bit but it still wont be accurate.

I would very much like to see someone determine the EXACT length of a cubit. Be fun also to see them wrap a string around a water tank at a precisely uniform height, no stretch, then measure that, elbow and finger tip end to end 30 times and come up with a number that could accurately generate Pi.

For that matter, stone masons who could build to such precision.

 

[Hespera]

Approximations can take a hike --- I'm talking truncating.

• 3.9 approximated is 4.0
• 3.9 truncated is 3

This has much the sound of a TAVWG (typical av word game).

Pi=3.0 is what the bible shows. If you like to call it "truncated" as a euphemism for wrong, that is kind of silly, but that is you, and the bible is still wrong.

If you want to play the 4" rim game, that gives a different number, and that number will also be wrong.

Are you claiming that athe bible is literally correct on this?

 

[AV1611VET]

The four inch thick rim would help a bit but it still wont be accurate.

I would very much like to see someone determine the EXACT length of a cubit.

The Bible is not a Book of architectural blueprints.

Be fun also to see them wrap a string around a water tank at a precisely uniform height, no stretch, then measure that, elbow and finger tip end to end 30 times and come up with a number that could accurately generate Pi.

The right person could do it --- might take some trial-and-error to find such a person --- but it could be done.

 

[AV1611VET]

This has much the sound of a TAVWG (typical av word game).

LOL --- you make up abbreviations to complain about me playing word games.

Pi=3.0 is what the bible shows.

Okay.

If you like to call it "truncated" as a euphemism for wrong, that is kind of silly, but that is you, and the bible is still wrong.

Not hardly.

If you want to play the 4" rim game, that gives a different number, and that number will also be wrong.

Pi, by its very nature then, will always return a "wrong" answer, since it is an irrational number.

Are you claiming that athe bible is literally correct on this?

Yes.

 

[Hespera]

The Bible is not a Book of architectural blueprints.The right person could do it --- might take some trial-and-error to find such a person --- but it could be done.

The bible is just not correct on this, is another way to put it.

The right person would have to be magic man. The length of a cubit cant be preciese, have you actually thought about it? The EXACT length of a cubit would vary with each heartbeat. Your mythical right person would have to take that into account. Time the precise moment in each beat to use the cubit. To within what fraction of a second? Electron microscope to determine just when the finger tip was touching but not compressed in the slightest. and so on. No matter how you did it, the number will never be accurate. At some decimal place, the value will vary from pi. maybe at 3.0, maybe ten decimals, but it will still be wrong.

Wouldst claim that that the diameter is EXACTLY ten cubits or approximately?

Oh the word game, there is a big difference between an acronym and weasel words. You appear to be using "truncate" as a weasel word.
And, as par the course, trying to turn it around on someone else rather than take responsibility for it.


so anyhow, do you claim that the bible gets the measurements exactly right, or just approximate?

 

[AV1611VET]

The bible is just not correct on this, is another way to put it.

You mean the Scientatheists' Way of putting it?

The right person would have to be magic man. The length of a cubit cant be preciese, have you actually thought about it? The EXACT length of a cubit would vary with each heartbeat. Your mythical right person would have to take that into account. Time the precise moment in each beat to use the cubit. To within what fraction of a second? Electron microscope to determine just when the finger tip was touching but not compressed in the slightest. and so on. No matter how you did it, the number will never be accurate. At some decimal place, the value will vary from pi. maybe at 3.0, maybe ten decimals, but it will still be wrong.

What on earth are you talking about?

If you take a string, wrap it around a water tower, then lay it out straight --- you can, with trial-and-error, eventually find someone who can go elbow-to-fingertip the length of the string exactly 30 times.

Does this not match your request?

Be fun also to see them wrap a string around a water tank at a precisely uniform height, no stretch, then measure that, elbow and finger tip end to end 30 times and come up with a number that could accurately generate Pi.

 

[Hespera]

You mean the Scientatheists' Way of putting it?What on earth are you talking about?

If you take a string, wrap it around a water tower, then lay it out straight --- you can, with trial-and-error, eventually find someone who can go elbow-to-fingertip the length of the string exactly 30 times.

Does this not match your request?

No, i mean the bible is snot, could not be correct.

Let me see if I am understanding you right.

You wrap the string around the tank, at a precise height all the way around. That will have to be measured with great precision, or the string will record the wrong length. Wrap it... no stretch whatever...and cut it to a length that is EXACT to many decimal places.

lay it straight? How? How straight? Again, no stretching.

Then you line up guys and check their cubits until someone matches the string, and exact multiple of 30.

I could go on with details, like the length of each cubit varying with each heartbeat, but.... I guess it comes down to asking a simple question.

Do you think that they were able to make measurements that were accurate out to an infinite number of decimal places?

 

[Wiccan_Child]

The four inch thick rim would help a bit but it still wont be accurate.

I would very much like to see someone determine the EXACT length of a cubit. Be fun also to see them wrap a string around a water tank at a precisely uniform height, no stretch, then measure that, elbow and finger tip end to end 30 times and come up with a number that could accurately generate Pi.

For that matter, stone masons who could build to such precision.

Hey, this is the Bible: Goddidit .

 

[AV1611VET]

You wrap the string around the tank, at a precise height all the way around. That will have to be measured with great precision, or the string will record the wrong length. Wrap it... no stretch whatever...and cut it to a length that is EXACT to many decimal places.

lay it straight? How? How straight? Again, no stretching.

Then you line up guys and check their cubits until someone matches the string, and exact multiple of 30.

Didn't I just say that?

No offense, Hespera, but I'm totally lost with what you're getting at, and now I feel like you're just pulling my leg.

So, no offense, but this conversation is over.

You're not making any sense, and you keep shifting the focus from Pi, to diameter, to the Bible, to some watertower, to a heart beating --- and I'm lost.

 

[AV1611VET]

Hey, this is the Bible: Goddidit .

I don't know --- but I have no idea what she's trying to say.

None, whatsoever.

 

[Hespera]

Didn't I just say that?

No offense, Hespera, but I'm totally lost with what you're getting at, and now I feel like you're just pulling my leg.

So, no offense, but this conversation is over.

You're not making any sense, and you keep shifting the focus from Pi, to diameter, to the Bible, to some watertower, to a heart beating --- and I'm lost.

You know perfectly well what I am getting at, that there is no way to make such accurate measurements, Your 2 points shy of a mensa ought to be able to grasp that. And anyone can see you are exiting because you dont want to admit the bible could not be accurate in this.

And as par the course, trying to put it off on someone else rather than taking responsibility.

In another thread, you want me to answer a simple question, but I see you have a double standard. You wont answer a simple question yourself.

Anyone reading this saw your evasions and knows why you are exiting.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

AV, you need to respond to your "Ecliptic Challenge" thread. You just got pwned by Nathan.

 

[Hespera]

AV, you need to respond to your "Ecliptic Challenge" thread. You just got pwned by Nathan.

Why go elsewhere when he is pwned here? One should be as good as another.

 

[AV1611VET]

AV, you need to respond to your "Ecliptic Challenge" thread. You just got pwned by Nathan.

Ya --- I saw that --- he's overlooking the fact that in Joshua, Martial Law is in effect.

A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;

"Context, context, context" --- as we say.

• Israel in Joshua's time = time to kill.
• Israel in Matthew's time = time to heal.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

Ya --- I saw that --- he's overlooking the fact that in Joshua, Martial Law is in effect."Context, context, context" --- as we say.

• Israel in Joshua's time = time to kill.
• Israel in Matthew's time = time to heal.

So what you're saying is OT = Rambo god, and NT = Dali Lama god?

Good to know.