The Entropy of the Bible

[Hespera]

So which account is more sacred? Judas hangs himself, or Judas falls headlong and becomes disembowelled?

How about that it precisely says he died, but isnt accurate about how.

 

[Toclafane]

So which account is more sacred? Judas hangs himself, or Judas falls headlong and becomes disembowelled?

Or as asked in a different thread, how old was Ahaziah when he became king for a year 22 or 42 ?

2 Kings 8:26
Ahaziah was twenty-two years old when he became king, and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. His mother’s name was Athaliah the granddaughter of Omri, king of Israel.

2 Chronicles 22:2
Ahaziah was forty-two years old when he became king, and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. His mother’s name was Athaliah the granddaughter of Omri.

 

[sbvera13]

A lack of entropy in the information of the bible only means it hasn't changed. It doesn't mean that it was right to begin with!

 

[AV1611VET]

A lack of entropy in the information of the bible only means it hasn't changed. It doesn't mean that it was right to begin with!

I agree --- it has nothing to do with the veracity of the content --- just Its preservation.

However --- since Its statement of preservation comes from within Its pages --- it could be argued as circular logic.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

How about that it precisely says he died, but isnt accurate about how.

But do I believe Matthew, one of the twelve, who records Judas as hanging himself, or the book of Acts, supposed written by Luke, who has Judas falling headlong and being disembowelled?

 

[AV1611VET]

Guys, could we please discuss paradoxes in another thread?

Thank you.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

Guys, could we please discuss paradoxes in another thread?

Thank you.

You made the claim that the Bible hasn't changed. I'm simply pointing out that is has.

You're welcome.

 

[dewaddict84]

Lifetothefullest, I wouldn't say that particular example shows that the bible has changed over time. It certainly has, at least into Greek, and from Greek into English (every one I've seen at least). But this is more likely an example of two different authors of two different book writing down two different details. Remember that the bible was written in numerous parts by political activists and their children.

 

[dewaddict84]

Do I now? [get the details so gloriously wrong.]

Yes. Entropy != Maximum Entropy.
It's like talking about temperature as if it were the same thing as absolute zero degrees. There's a difference. One is a metric, while the other is a theoretical state of the metric.

Here's the original quote:

Entropy --- a.k.a. heat death --- is an enemy of God.

Now do you see the little detail you missed?

 

[AV1611VET]

Yes. Entropy != Maximum Entropy.
It's like talking about temperature as if it were the same thing as absolute zero degrees. There's a difference. One is a metric, while the other is a theoretical state of the metric.

Here's the original quote:
Now do you see the little detail you missed?

QV please: 18.

 

[MoonLancer]

QV please: 18.

lol do you still not get what you did?

 

[dewaddict84]

AV admitting his mistakes, even minor ones, seems to be pretty antithetical to his overall nature and reason for being on this board.

 

[Gracchus]

In information theory, entropy (not to be confused with thermodynamic entropy, which is something entirely different,) is the increase of uncertainty.

Thousands of Christian sects have developed in the last two thousand years, nearly all claiming the Bible as authority for their varying beliefs.

With so much existing uncertainly about the Bible, it is indeed difficult to see how the uncertainty could increase.

 

[AV1611VET]

In information theory, entropy (not to be confused with thermodynamic entropy, which is something entirely different,) is the increase of uncertainty.

Thousands of Christian sects have developed in the last two thousand years, nearly all claiming the Bible as authority for their varying beliefs.

With so much existing uncertainly about the Bible, it is indeed difficult to see how the uncertainty could increase.

That's because you're changing the definition --- let's reiterate:

A measure of the loss of information in a transmitted message.

And now your point is moot.

 

[Hespera]

That's because you're changing the definition --- let's reiterate:And now your point is moot.[/size][/size][/font]

Well then, this here definition should pretty well make moot all your ideas about "creation"

Definitions of creation on the Web:

• the human act of creating

 

[dewaddict84]

AV,

That's because you're changing the definition --- let's reiterate:

A measure of the loss of information in a transmitted message.

You are interpreting the meaning of entropy differently then the vast majority of scientists. I sense a pattern.

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[Hespera]

AV,

You are interpreting the meaning of entropy differently then the vast majority of scientists. I sense a pattern.

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The secret of it is to just use a piece of the definition, its a form of quote mining, as with what I said about the meaning of the word 'creation".

 

[AV1611VET]

AV,

You are interpreting the meaning of entropy differently then the vast majority of scientists. I sense a pattern.

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No, I'm not --- qv the OP again, please:

In reading about entropy just now (symbolized by the letter S), I came across this definition:

A measure of the loss of information in a transmitted message.

 

[atomweaver]

And they would still be there too, if God would have choosen to place them under His umbrella of protection --- but He didn't.

For accuracy, call it "AVVET's Umbrella of Special Pleading", instead.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

In AV's defense, I do tend to agree that the Bible has not lost information. In fact, there is adequate proof to demonstrate that much has been added to the Bible.