The End Time Events ! What Will Happen ?

[mallowpuff]

"The earth is utterly broken, the earth is rent asunder, the earth is violently shaken. The earth staggers like a drunken man, it sways like a hut; its transgression lies heavy upon it, and it falls, and will not rise again. On that day the LORD will punish the host of heaven, in heaven, and the kings of the earth, on the earth."
Isaiah;24:19-21

They will say to the mountains, "Cover us!" And to the hills, " Fall on us!" Hosea ;10 :8

Can someone explain the bolded part to me please?

 

[mallowpuff]

Malachi 4:1 "For behold, the day is coming, Burning like an oven, And all the proud, yes, all who do wickedly will be stubble. And the day which is coming shall burn them up,"

Ezekiel 22:19 "Therefore thus says the Lord GOD: 'Because you have all become dross, therefore behold, I will gather you into the midst of Jerusalem. 20 '[As men] gather silver, bronze, iron, lead, and tin into the midst of a furnace, to blow fire on it, to melt [it;] so I will gather [you] in My anger and in My fury, and I will leave [you there] and melt you. 21 'Yes, I will gather you and blow on you with the fire of My wrath, and you shall be melted in its midst.

Is that a nuclear holocost? Melted is what happened to the people living in Horishima.

 

[mallowpuff]

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Some of the hadith and Surahs about the end times:


One hadith indicates that the absence of the shame of prostitution is a sign of the Last Day.

There will be prevalence of open illegal sexual intercourse. (Bukhari)

The Prophet (saas) says that the spread of extra-marital sexual relationships in society is a sign:

The Hour will come when adultery becomes widespread. (Al-Haythami, Kitab al-Fitan)

The Last Hour will not be established until they (wicked people) commit adultery on the roads (public ways). (Ibn Hibban and Bazzar)

Men will imitate women; and Women will imitate men. (Allama Jalaluddin Suyuti, Durre-Mansoor)

People will indulge in homosexuality and lesbianism. (Al-Muttaqi Al-Hindi, Muntakhab Kanzul Ummaal

Divorces will be a daily occurrence.('Allamah Safarini, Ahwal Yaum al-Qiyamah)

There will be an abundance of illegitimate children.(Al-Muttaqi Al-Hindi, Muntakhab Kanzul Ummaal)

As Judgment draws near ... the most respected people of the age will be lickspittles and sycophants. (Agreed upon)

The Last Hour will not arrive till people come forth who make a living with their tongues as cows eat with their tongues. (Tirmidhi

Deceit and cheating will be common, ('Allamah Safarini, Ahwal Yaum al-Qiyamah)

Bribes will be called gifts, and will be considered lawful. (Amal al-Din al-Qazwini, Mufid al-'ulum wa-mubid al-humum)

The Prophet (saas) describes the increase of murder in the End Times in these words:

The Hour (Last Day) will not be established until murder will increase. (Bukhari )

This voice will spread over the entire world, and every tribe will hear it in their

own language. (Al-Muttaqi al-Hindi, Al-Burhan fi Alamat al-Mahdi Akhir al-Zaman)

A voice from the sky that everyone will hear in his own language. (Al-Muttaqi

al-Hindi, Al-Burhan fi Alamat al-Mahdi Akhir al-Zaman)

So is this also a sign of how Islam is going? Are all these tings happening in Muslim lands. And what's the voice, every tribe hear it in their own languge (not Arabic)? It sounds like these things were copied from the bible. Because if they had thought more about it being Islamic, then this shouldn't be happening, so Islam mustn't take over the world for all this to happen, right? Divorses, etc.

That bit I put in bold - yeah that's happening nowdays with trade with China. u wanna trade with China you do the bribes, but they call them gifts.

 

[mallowpuff]

Why are we so worried about end times? We know they will come, nobody knows when; we know they will be awful, but I doubt that they would be more awful, to any of us personally, than a battle with lung cancer or having to watch our children starve to death because of drought - both very common occurrences in the world tody, that nobody thinks too much about.

The only thing that matters to any of us is to live TODAY according to God's law. Why worry about all the rest?

Because it's important to test the bible views against the koran's view. That's what the OP is trying to do here. And the moslims know of the end hour that is to come. I think the OP is trying to gather common ground to share the coming of Jesus, not about worrying? Who said anything about worrying?

 

[mallowpuff]

If you check my post you will see %90 percent of the prophecies of the Quran and Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) are fulfilled.

Salaam

Copied from the bible bro. Sorry to deflate your balloon. 90 percent of those prophecies are also fulfilled in the bible mate.

 

[mallowpuff]

This was a prophecy made over here on the eschatology board. I actually invited them over so we could form a game called "Muslim Eschatology" vs Christian Eschatology. That would be fun.

http://www.christianforums.com/t2865338-prophecy-coming-true.html
Prophecy coming true?
I was reading Rev. 13 today:

Revelation 13:2And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

Then I saw the teams for the NCAA Final Four:

LSU Tigers
UCLA Bruins
Florida Gators
GMU Patriots

Think about it:

like unto a leopard" - that's the Tigers
"feet of a bear" - the Bruins
"the dragon" - Gators
"power...great authority" - that's George Mason University (named after one of the Founding Fathers) Patriots.

Somehow this all links up. I wasn't sure about it until I looked at Rev. 11:

Revelation 11:2But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

Basketball is played on a court! Every year millions engage in the false idol worship of the NCAA basketball tournament and even bet on it. Scripture says--clear as a bell--that we must not "measure" the court, meaning betting on or even picking teams. The entire tournament is outside the Temple of the New Jerusalem.

Thing is you're too American-centric mate, u only think the world consists of America. To put basketball as an analogy well . I think this forum is aussie run.

 

[cavymom]

Can someone explain the bolded part to me please?

Satan is the accuser of the brethren (Gods people)... and so satan is constantly trying to go before GOD and accuse us of sins... Like in a courtroom except those that believe in Jesus have Jesus as the ultimate lawyer that frees us us sin through pardon (by His sacrifice on the cross)

Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them. 7 And the Lord said to Satan, "From where do you come?" So Satan answered the Lord and said, "From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking back and forth on it."

Ephesians tells us how despite the enemy trying to constantly accuse us and cause us to sin... GOD has given us tools to fight the enemy

Ephesians 3:8 To me, who am less than the least of all the saints, this grace was given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ, 9 and to make all see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the ages has been hidden in God who created all things through Jesus Christ; 10 to the intent that now the manifold wisdom of God might be made known by the church to the principalities and powers in the heavenly places, 11 according to the eternal purpose which He accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord, 12 in whom we have boldness and access with confidence through faith in Him. 13 Therefore I ask that you do not lose heart at my tribulations for you, which is your glory.

Ephesians 6:10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might. 11 Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. 13 Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. 14 Stand therefore, having girded your waist with truth, having put on the breastplate of righteousness, 15 and having shod your feet with the preparation of the gospel of peace; 16 above all, taking the shield of faith with which you will be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked one. 17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God; 18 praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, being watchful to this end with all perseverance and supplication for all the saints--

Revelation 12 describes how Satan and his demonic following get thrown out of heaven for good -- they no longer have access to go before GOD and accuse us of sin so they go directly to the earth and try to destroy man

Revelation 12:7 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, 8 but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer. 9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 10 Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, "Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death.
12 Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time."

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Malachi 4:1 "For behold, the day is coming, Burning like an oven, And all the proud, yes, all who do wickedly will be stubble. And the day which is coming shall burn them up,"

Ezekiel 22:19 "Therefore thus says the Lord GOD: 'Because you have all become dross, therefore behold, I will gather you into the midst of Jerusalem. 20 '[As men] gather silver, bronze, iron, lead, and tin into the midst of a furnace, to blow fire on it, to melt [it;] so I will gather [you] in My anger and in My fury, and I will leave [you there] and melt you. 21 'Yes, I will gather you and blow on you with the fire of My wrath, and you shall be melted in its midst.

Is that a nuclear holocost? Melted is what happened to the people living in Horishima.

"The earth is utterly broken, the earth is rent asunder, the earth is violently shaken. The earth staggers like a drunken man, it sways like a hut; its transgression lies heavy upon it, and it falls, and will not rise again. On that day the LORD will punish the host of heaven, in heaven, and the kings of the earth, on the earth."
Isaiah;24:19-21

They will say to the mountains, "Cover us!" And to the hills, " Fall on us!" Hosea ;10 :8

Can someone explain the bolded part to me please?

It sounds like it was the end of the OC Jewish Nation a Jesus prophecied. I believe their temple and city was destroyed by Divine intervention or else these are False Prophecies. Thoughts? Peace.

Luke 21:22 "For these are the Days of Vengeance, that ALL Things which are Written may be Fulfilled.

1 Peter 4:7 But the End of ALL things is at hand; therefore be serious and watchful in your prayers.

 

[yashua]

I have studied all views of "Endtime Theology" and none of them hold any weight.

Humans have this notion that at some distant point in the future (Maybe in their lifetime) the system of things as we know it will come to a climatic end. Christians especially are waiting on the end. People have a hope that their miserable lives will be transformed from this life they assume is filled with with sin and sorrow. In fact all cultures seem to share in this same idea that their God will wage war against the powers of darkness and that their God will defeat the enemy and bliss and happiness will come fourth in the new world.

But in the real world we live in this is just a "Fantasy Island" we hope for.

I have heard so many times "This is the time when Jesus will return" According to the bible itself the early "Apostles" were also waiting for this appearing and end of the age. Paul stated that It's better not to marry for the end is coming soon. "Watch for you neither know the hour or the day" If one were to take the New Testament Literally they would be insane, If one were to take the Old Testament Literally they would be a criminal.

I know that it is a hope that we humans have, but to live your life "Waiting and watching" is a real waste of ones life. As Soleman said "All is vanity, All is vanity. There is nothing new under the sun. This is the conclusion of the matter "Eat, drink, and be happy"

Ecc 3:22
22 I have seen that there is nothing better than for a person to enjoy his activities, because that is his reward. For who can enable him to see what will happen after he dies?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

It sounds like it was the end of the OC Jewish Nation a Jesus prophecied. I believe their temple and city was destroyed by Divine intervention or else these are False Prophecies. Thoughts? Peace.

Luke 21:22 "For these are the Days of Vengeance, that ALL Things which are Written may be Fulfilled.

1 Peter 4:7 But the End of ALL things is at hand; therefore be serious and watchful in your prayers.

Lamentations 2:1 How the Lord has covered the daughter of Zion With a cloud in His anger! He cast down from heaven to the earth The beauty of Israel, And did not remember His footstool In the day of His anger.

Humans have this notion that at some distant point in the future (Maybe in their lifetime) the system of things as we know it will come to a climatic end. Christians especially are waiting on the end. People have a hope that their miserable lives will be transformed from this life they assume is filled with with sin and sorrow. In fact all cultures seem to share in this same idea that their God will wage war against the powers of darkness and that their God will defeat the enemy and bliss and happiness will come fourth in the new world.

But in the real world we live in this is just a "Fantasy Island" we hope for.

I have heard so many times "This is the time when Jesus will return" According to the bible itself the early "Apostles" were also waiting for this appearing and end of the age. Paul stated that It's better not to marry for the end is coming soon. "Watch for you neither know the hour or the day" If one were to take the New Testament Literally they would be insane, If one were to take the Old Testament Literally they would be a criminal.

This is why I am asking the muslims about those verses.
Thanks for your input and I agree with your post.

Matt 23: 38 "See! Your house is left to you a Wilderness;

Revelation 11:1:And given to me a reed like unto [a] staff saying: Be Ye Arousing!!!!! and Measure Ye!!!!! the Sanctuary/Temple of the God, and the Altar and the Ones worshipping in it/him ! 2 And the Court [#833], the one within[#2081] the Sanctuary/Temple [#3485] be Casting-Out!!!!! [#1544] Out-side [#1854] and ye should not be measuring it/her, because she was given to the nations/gentiles, and the city, the holy, they shall be treading [#3961] for 40 and 2 months.

Matthew 8:12 "But the sons [#5207] of the kingdom [#932] shall be being "cast- out" [#1544] into outer [#1857] darkness.

http://bible-truths.com/

"Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, MY COUNSEL SHALL STAND, and I WILL DO ALL MY PLEASURE ... I have spoken it, I WILL ALSO BRING IT TO PASS; I HAVE PURPOSED IT, I WILL ALSO DO IT" (Isa. 46:10-11).

 

[Isis-Astoroth]

I'm inclined to believe that one or more of the following will occur, (likely not to be the will of any particular, god, gods, demons or devil,): disease, global warming will flood countries, a nuclear war, starvation, some other disease, choke on the air pollution...list goes on..

 

[BruceDLimber]

Greetings!

In the Baha'i view, most of the end-time events have already happened, and the rest are in progress now!

It's also worth pointing out that there is a common misconception about these events due to a mistranslation when the King James Bible was created!: the word in the original Greek is "eras," which means "world" or "age." And IOV the translators picked the wrong meaning: these passages are in fact about the end of the Age, not the end of the world!

I have a book online that's fully 450 pages long and goes into great, verse-by-verse detail on the prophecies in the Book of Revelation, and another 140-some pages long on the Book of Daniel and its prophecies! These are in the public domain, and I'll be happy to send them to anyone who'd like to study them; just ask me! . . .

Best,

Bruce

 

[Abdurrahim]

In the name of Allah most gracious most merciful



Some of the hadith and Surahs about the end times:



Allah's Messenger (saas) said: "The Harj (will increase)." They asked, "What is the Harj?" He replied, "(It is) killing (murdering), (it is) murdering (killing)."(Bukhari)

The Hour will come when violence, bloodshed, and anarchy become common.(Al-Muttaqi Al-Hindi, Muntakhab Kanzul Ummaal)

The world will not come to an end until a day would come to the people on which there will be general massacre and bloodshed.(Muslim)

Corruption has appeared in both land and sea because of what people's own hands have brought about so that they may taste something of what they have done so that hopefully they will turn back. (Surat ar-Rum: 41)

Great cities will be ruined and it will be as if they had not existed the day before.(Al-Muttaqi al-Hindi, Al-Burhan fi Alamat al-Mahdi Akhir al-Zaman)

The Hour has drawn near and the moon has split. (Surat al-Qamar: 1)

The Hour (Last Day) will not be established until ... earthquakes will be very frequent. (Bukhari)

There are two great hadiths before the day of Judgment ... and then years of earthquakes. (Narrated by Umm Salama (r.a.))


The poor will grow in number. (Amal Al-Din Al-Qazwini, Mufid Al-'ulum Wa-mubid Al-humum)
Gains will be shared out only among the rich, with no benefit to the poor.(Tirmidhi)



One hadith indicates that the absence of the shame of prostitution is a sign of the Last Day.

There will be prevalence of open illegal sexual intercourse. (Bukhari)

The Prophet (saas) says that the spread of extra-marital sexual relationships in society is a sign:

The Hour will come when adultery becomes widespread. (Al-Haythami, Kitab al-Fitan)


The Last Hour will not be established until they (wicked people) commit adultery on the roads (public ways). (Ibn Hibban and Bazzar)

Men will imitate women; and Women will imitate men. (Allama Jalaluddin Suyuti, Durre-Mansoor)

People will indulge in homosexuality and lesbianism. (Al-Muttaqi Al-Hindi, Muntakhab Kanzul Ummaal


Divorces will be a daily occurrence.('Allamah Safarini, Ahwal Yaum al-Qiyamah)

There will be an abundance of illegitimate children.(Al-Muttaqi Al-Hindi, Muntakhab Kanzul Ummaal)

As Judgment draws near ... the most respected people of the age will be lickspittles and sycophants. (Agreed upon)

The Last Hour will not arrive till people come forth who make a living with their tongues as cows eat with their tongues. (Tirmidhi


Deceit and cheating will be common, ('Allamah Safarini, Ahwal Yaum al-Qiyamah)

Bribes will be called gifts, and will be considered lawful. (Amal al-Din al-Qazwini, Mufid al-'ulum wa-mubid al-humum)

The Prophet (saas) describes the increase of murder in the End Times in these words:

The Hour (Last Day) will not be established until murder will increase. (Bukhari )






Wolves will give readings in the End Times. Let those who come to see those times seek shelter from their evil in Allah. They will be very corrupt people. Hypocrisy will prevail, and nobody will be ashamed of it and its manifestations. (Tirmidhi, Nawadir al-'usul)

There will appear in latter times a people who will gain this world with the help of religion. (Tirmidhi)

Allah's Messenger (saas) said, "In the End Times men will come forth who will fraudulently use religion for worldly ends and wear sheepskins in public to display meekness. Their tongues will be sweeter than sugar, but their hearts will be the hearts of wolves." (Tirmidhi)



At that time ... life spans will grow longer.(Ibn Hajar Haythami, Al Qawl al-Mukhtasar fi 'alamat al-Mahdi al-Muntazar

Literacy will increase-as Judgment draws nigh. (Ahmad Diya'al-Din al-Kamushkhanawi, Ramuz al-Ahadith)

There will be no Judgment-until very tall buildings are constructed.(Reported by Abu Hurairah

The Hour will not be established-till the people compete with one another in constructing high buildings.(Bukhari)

The Last Day will not be established until …time will pass quickly. (Bukhari)

Great distances will be traversed in short spans of time. (Ahmad, Musnad)



The Qur'an mentions vehicles that are the product of modern advanced technology:

And horses, mules and donkeys both to ride and for adornment. And He creates other things you do not know. (Surat an-Nahl: 8)

The Last Hour will not come before time contracts, a year being like a month, a month like a week, a week like a day, a day like an hour, and an hour like the kindling of a fire. (Tirmidhi)

The Last Hour will not come before the end of a man's whip speak to him.(Tirmidhi)

There will be no Judgment ... until a person's own voice speaks to him. (Mukhtasar

Tazkirah Qurtubi)


This voice will spread over the entire world, and every tribe will hear it in their

own language. (Al-Muttaqi al-Hindi, Al-Burhan fi Alamat al-Mahdi Akhir al-Zaman)

A voice from the sky that everyone will hear in his own language. (Al-Muttaqi

al-Hindi, Al-Burhan fi Alamat al-Mahdi Akhir al-Zaman)




If someone claims these are copied form Bible will probably show us the verses

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Acts 1:6 Therefore, when they had come together, they asked Him, saying, "Lord, will You at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?"

Wolves will give readings in the End Times. Let those who come to see those times seek shelter from their evil in Allah. They will be very corrupt people. Hypocrisy will prevail, and nobody will be ashamed of it and its manifestations. (Tirmidhi, Nawadir al-'usul)

There will appear in latter times a people who will gain this world with the help of religion. (Tirmidhi)

Does Muhammad mention the book of Daniel btw?

Daniel and Revelation say this:

Daniel 12:1 "At that time Michael shall stand up, The great prince who stands [watch] over the sons of your people; And there shall be a time of trouble, Such as never was since there was a nation, [Even] to that time. And at that time your people shall be delivered, Every one who is found written in the book.

Revelation 7:14 And I said to him, "Sir, you know." So he said to me, "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

1 Peter 1:19 but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot.

 

[Adeeb]

Sme interesting signs I found from hadith, Abdrurrahim covered most of them.


1) Great distances will be traversed in short spans of time. Could refer to airplanes, trains, or other modes of travel.

2) People will hop between the clouds and the earth. Another possible reference to planes

3) The people of Iraq will recieve no food and no money due to oppression by the Romans (Europeans). Could refer to the sanctions placed on Iraq during the 90s.

4) People will dance late into the night. Could refer to night clubs, parties, bars, etc.

5) A man will leave his home and his thigh or hip will tell him what is happening back at his home. Quite possible a reference to cell phones?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Sme interesting signs I found from hadith, Abdrurrahim covered most of them.


1) Great distances will be traversed in short spans of time. Could refer to airplanes, trains, or other modes of travel.

2) People will hop between the clouds and the earth. Another possible reference to planes

3) The people of Iraq will recieve no food and no money due to oppression by the Romans (Europeans). Could refer to the sanctions placed on Iraq during the 90s.

4) People will dance late into the night. Could refer to night clubs, parties, bars, etc.

5) A man will leave his home and his thigh or hip will tell him what is happening back at his home. Quite possible a reference to cell phones?

Does he mention Michael standing up or the blood of the Lamb anywhere?

Daniel 12:1 "At that time Michael shall stand up, The great prince who stands [watch] over the sons of your people; And there shall be a time of trouble, Such as never was since there was a nation, [Even] to that time. And at that time your people shall be delivered, Every one who is found written in the book.

Revelation 7:14 And I said to him, "Sir, you know." So he said to me, "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

1 Peter 1:19 but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot.

 

[Adeeb]

Does he mention Micael standing up or the blood of the Lamb anywhere?

Daniel 12:1 "At that time Michael shall stand up, The great prince who stands [watch] over the sons of your people; And there shall be a time of trouble, Such as never was since there was a nation, [Even] to that time. And at that time your people shall be delivered, Every one who is found written in the book.

Revelation 7:14 And I said to him, "Sir, you know." So he said to me, "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

1 Peter 1:19 but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot.

no

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Does he mention Michael standing up or the blood of the Lamb anywhere?

no

Daniel 12 is about Daniel's people and sons of his people, so it would probably concern Israel somehow. I believe I know what the "Dragon" is symbolizing but I would rather not say unless you are curious on my view of it. Pretty neat, huh? Peace.

Reve 12:7 And there came war in the heaven; Michael and his messengers did war against the dragon, and the dragon did war, and his messengers, 8 and they did not prevail, nor was their place found any more in the heaven;

 

[mallowpuff]

Sme interesting signs I found from hadith, Abdrurrahim covered most of them.


1) Great distances will be traversed in short spans of time. Could refer to airplanes, trains, or other modes of travel.

2) People will hop between the clouds and the earth. Another possible reference to planes

3) The people of Iraq will recieve no food and no money due to oppression by the Romans (Europeans). Could refer to the sanctions placed on Iraq during the 90s.

4) People will dance late into the night. Could refer to night clubs, parties, bars, etc.

5) A man will leave his home and his thigh or hip will tell him what is happening back at his home. Quite possible a reference to cell phones?

Souns interestin Adeeb. Can you show me where in the koran those refs are found?
BTW don't get excited I have no chance in giving up my culture for Arabization mate. Not like some Muslims, gave away their culture to become like Arabs. Just because they have a whoel lot of money doesnt mean we have to be like them.

 

[mallowpuff]

Daniel 12 is about Daniel's people and sons of his people, so it would probably concern Israel somehow. I believe I know what the "Dragon" is symbolizing but I would rather not say unless you are curious on my view of it. Pretty neat, huh? Peace.

Reve 12:7 And there came war in the heaven; Michael and his messengers did war against the dragon, and the dragon did war, and his messengers, 8 and they did not prevail, nor was their place found any more in the heaven;

who and what is the dragon? Is that China?