The Elven-speaking thread

[morvaltur]

basically i'm looking for my name in elvish, which is kyrie-eleison aka Lord have mercy. what would be great is if you could translate that for me, and give me the noun mercy in elvish as well

does that make more sense?

Yes, thank you for clarifying that.


All of the following is in Quenya (High Elvish) Assuming that we are talking about the Lord God and not just a general lord, the word for God is "Eru". The phrase I found was a translation by Tolkien himself of "Have mercy" was found as "órava". This is then usually couple with a locative word telling on whom the mercy is being had. For instance "Have mercy on us" would be "órava messë" with "messë" being the locative "on us".
Thus, to your original inquiry, "Lord have mercy" would probably be something like "Eru-órava". It would need the hyphen because it does not really work to put the vowels together or to shorten either of the words, since one is a verb and the other is a name of God. To use the literal "Lord" referring to God, you might say "Héru-órava" but unfortunately, this runs into the same hyphen problems. Unfortunately, there is really nothing that would work better.
Also, I cannot seem to find the noun "mercy" in Quenya. I have looked, but the only way to get it would be to separate it from the verb "have mercy," which I am afraid is not possible.
Unfortunately, I have also done translation searches into Sindarin (Wood Elvish) and have had even less luck.
Not to discourage you, but unless you are really set on translating this name, I might recommend that, if you still want an Elven name, you choose a different meaning to translate. There are numerous possibilities out there that I would be glad to translate for you.

I am sorry I could not be of more help to you, Kyrie. I have done my best.

 

[-Kyriaki-]

thankyou, i appreciate it. my friends had the same trouble, i just wondered if anyone else would know

 

[Lycana]

That's the problem with Quenya and the other languages. Professor Tolkien died before they could be finished.

 

[morvaltur]

Yes, and not everything that his son Christopher says works out with what Tolkien said. Just look at the whole Tengwar systems, for example.

 

[Wormie]

Interesting. My own handle, jochanaan, is Hebrew for "The LORD is gracious." Maybe I should go by Eruanna here.

Teehee... probably not, jochanaan... it's a girl's name - there are suffixes to add to make it masculine. Personally I think Erurainon would suit you much better! Means the same thing.

i don't speak elvish but i'd love to sometime when i have the mental capacity to spare (in the middle of a very hard year at school, yr 12 for anyone who understands the australian school system)

Oh yes I understand perfectly... been there, done that... probably talk to you more about it in the Aussie threads!

would anyone be kind enough to translate mercy or Lord have mercy into elvish for me?

I'll see what I can find... *searches* the closest I can come up with is Erufaelwen - which literally translated mean's "God's forgiveness", but I guess might mean Kyrie... it is in Sindarin (my specialty). I can't see any other way of translating it. Sorry .
Speaking of Sindarin being my specialty, if anyone wants me to translate somethinf for them into/ from Sindarin, either PM me/ post a message here (or both, since I'm not around here as often as perhaps I'd like to be), and I'll do my best to help you, although I'm not quite as good as Morvaltur is with his Quenya! I'll give it my best shot tho.

 

[Eponine]

[Snip] I'm not quite as good as Morvaltur is with her Quenya! [snip]

*Giggles and points to the male icon below Morv's username*

He is indeed quite good at translating Quenya.

 

[morvaltur]

*laughs heartily*
Ai, women. *shakes head, grinning*

I thank you both for your kind comments. My abilities only stem from my love of the language, and truly, they are far from perfect.

Someday, I envision that we may have enough Quenya speakers in this world to have it officially recognized as a language. 'Twould be a glorious day!
There would need to be some organization established to set down language guidelines. Something like the MLA, for instance.

 

[morvaltur]

I'll see what I can find... *searches* the closest I can come up with is Erufaelwen - which literally translated mean's "God's forgiveness", but I guess might mean Kyrie... it is in Sindarin (my specialty). I can't see any other way of translating it. Sorry .

*takes a second look at her translation*
Interesting, now that I look closer at this, it bears some interesting Quenya translations. "Eru" is Quenya for "God". "Fael" does not have a Quenya translation, and "Wen" is a Quenya suffix meaning "maiden."

*scowls at dictionary* Very odd. Are you sure this is Sindarin? "Eru" in Sindarin means a "waste/desert", "Fael" means either "gleaming brilliance (of the sun)" as a noun or "fair minded, just, generous" as an adjective, and I cannot seem to find a Sindarin equivalent for "Wen".
May I enquire as to your source?

 

[Lycana]

I know it's off topic but I like your new outfit Mor

 

[morvaltur]

I know it's off topic but I like your new outfit Mor

Thanks. Which one, though? I keep switching back and forth between an Elven outfit and my Dark Jedi outfit, for two different RPGs.

 

[Lycana]

It's the Jedi one. Very nice.

 

[Wormie]

*laughs heartily*
Ai, women. *shakes head, grinning*

Oh!! :o My bad... as to your other question, my references are councilofelrond.com and arwen-undomiel.com - both are apparently quite prolific. And they translate Erufaelwen as "God-forgiven maiden", or generous [merciful] God (although technically, fael = generous). It also translates into bright/ shining... and Wen I believe is both Quenya/ Sindarin - as is Eru. I will do more research into this however... *goes off to study Tolkienish language 101*
Sorry again Mor...

 

[Aradr]

uuummm i got this from a book idk what type of elvish it is but, Gala O Wyrda brunhvitr
Abr Berundal vandr-fodhr
Burthro laufsbladar ekar undir
Eom Kona dauthleiker.(May the stars Guide you, hope be with you, Strength of the Dragon help you, and peace be with you)

 

[morvaltur]

uuummm i got this from a book idk what type of elvish it is but, Gala O Wyrda brunhvitr
Abr Berundal vandr-fodhr
Burthro laufsbladar ekar undir
Eom Kona dauthleiker.(May the stars Guide you, hope be with you, Strength of the Dragon help you, and peace be with you)

I am not sure. What was the name of the book?

 

[Wormie]

uuummm i got this from a book idk what type of elvish it is but, Gala O Wyrda brunhvitr
Abr Berundal vandr-fodhr
Burthro laufsbladar ekar undir
Eom Kona dauthleiker.(May the stars Guide you, hope be with you, Strength of the Dragon help you, and peace be with you)

Is it Elvish at all? Adunaic? Dwarvic? Entish? Rohirric? Sorry, I know of these languages but I don't know much about them or what they're like... only know a little about Quenya/ Sindarin. Possibly Adunaic or early Westron... (based on Old/ Middle English I think...).

 

[morvaltur]

It is the "vandr-fodhr" phrase that catches my eye the most. It does not look like either of the two main Elvish dialects...

 

[morvaltur]

He he, and "laufsbladar" looks like German. It probably isn't, but it looks like it.

 

[morvaltur]

Alright! Yes! Morvaltur has triumphed again! It is not a Lord of the Rings language. I repeat, it is not a LotR language. This is actually several lines in the Ancient Language, from the book series "Eragon" by Christopher Paolini. The Ancient Language was used by those attempting to create magic. It was the language spoken by the Elves (I think) in "Eragon" and "Eldest," but it is not related to Tolkien's Elvish tongues. I will post the correct original phrase and its proper translation here:

Gala O Wyrda brunhvitr/Abr Berundal vandr-fodhr/Burthro lausblädar eja undir/Eom kona dauthleikr... - Sing O white-browed Fate/Of ill-marked Berundal/Born under oaken leaves/To mortal woman...

 

[Eponine]

Alright! Yes! Morvaltur has triumphed again! It is not a Lord of the Rings language. I repeat, it is not a LotR language. This is actually several lines in the Ancient Language, from the book series "Eragon" by Christopher Paolini. The Ancient Language was used by those attempting to create magic. It was the language spoken by the Elves (I think) in "Eragon" and "Eldest," but it is not related to Tolkien's Elvish tongues. I will post the correct original phrase and its proper translation here:

Gala O Wyrda brunhvitr/Abr Berundal vandr-fodhr/Burthro lausblädar eja undir/Eom kona dauthleikr... - Sing O white-browed Fate/Of ill-marked Berundal/Born under oaken leaves/To mortal woman...

*Smacks head* I've read that book and its prequel. I so should have figured that out. *Walks off feeling decidedly slow*

 

[DifferentFree]

I've heard of Eragon, but never read it.
Ni ist Quenya ar Sindarin ar ni tenkana Tengwar. - I know Quenya and Sindarin (a bit) and I have written Tengwar.
I found these two awesome sites, LearnElvish.Com (when it was free) and Eleni Aranelwa which has a tutorial on learning to write Tenwar properly. Very interesting.