The elephant in the room: the massive, looming problem of the Christian Right.

ProudMomxmany · Dec 28, 2013

93 or 97 out of over 1000 general officers not bad. Many of these men were "fired" due to gross misconduct, sexual offenses, behavior not becoming an officer. The president cannot just walk up to an officer and say "you're fired". There's an investigative board, there's then some sort of general court marshal (unless they plead guilty to the charges) then it usually goes to either the 4 star head of service or the Joint Chiefs for action.

See...here's the thing Psalm 91...I believe I read that RD Kirk served. I am also extremely aware of what the military does to take care of troublemakers or those who break some provision of the UCMJ. I know of a couple of Naval Captains who got canned for gross misconduct. They should have gotten canned, they were an embarrassment to the entire Naval service, from the newest boot to the oldest Admiral of the Navy.

That is why I am telling you you are all wet with your information. Remember, I lived in a heavily military area. 2 Army bases, a huge Air Force Base, a huge shipyard, and the largest Naval base in the states all within about 25 miles from my front door. I'm fairly certain I know a fairly good number of upper enlisted and officers, and I know that they are NOT being "brainwashed"...those who get canned deserve it. Those who take advantage of their rank to intimidate and rape lower enlisted women should get canned. Those who overlook gross misconduct of their troops, those who take bribes, yup...toss 'em out, lock 'em up in the brig, take their pensions and everything. THOSE are the sorts of offenses they are getting canned for...

Do yourself a favor...go dig up the Virginian Pilot (pilotonline.com)...you'll find lots of information there on the big dogs who got canned.

You might want to lay off on your opinions...you have NO idea who I know. And yes, I do know 4 star Admirals and Generals. I also know a couple of senators and congresscritters. I am probably much better connected than you are...and I can tell you that you are so full of baloney, it's not even funny.

The Sheriff of my hometown was a high school classmate of mine. A couple of fire department battalion chiefs were friends of mine or siblings of friends of mine. Chief of Police...yup, know him and his family too.

So...would you like to repeat your allegations?

Psalm 91 · Dec 29, 2013

RDKirk said:
Your lists include, by great majority, O3 and O4 officers, which are not "senior." I doubt seriously that the president is made personally aware of any captains or majors that leave the military.

Even then, your lists contain fewer than 900 officers--again, including mostly junior officers, not "senior" officers--out of an overall officer corps of 225,000.

Again, there are nearly 1,000 general officers in the military, and unless you can list a significant percentage of them--a hundred or more, not just three or four--you can't claim any kind of senior office purge.

These officers are, indeed, released for a variety of reasons of ineffectiveness. It's not a "purge" just because some joker on a blog says so, and a bunch of other jokers repeat him.

I'm personally offended by your remarks, because you are consistently alleging that the US military, especially its officer corps, is made up of a bunch of morons easily brainwashed by Obama.

Live in your dream world. Think what you want. It looks like you didn't read what the retired generals said but...whatever. More have been fired by this president than any before him. Did you read about the affairs going on while women are in combat and on ships and subs which jeopardizes our effectiveness and endangers other soldiers lives? But no, we have the same military we had with Ronald Reagan, nothing has changed. Right.

Psalm 91 · Dec 29, 2013

ProudMomxmany said:
93 or 97 out of over 1000 general officers not bad. Many of these men were "fired" due to gross misconduct, sexual offenses, behavior not becoming an officer. The president cannot just walk up to an officer and say "you're fired". There's an investigative board, there's then some sort of general court marshal (unless they plead guilty to the charges) then it usually goes to either the 4 star head of service or the Joint Chiefs for action.

See...here's the thing Psalm 91...I believe I read that RD Kirk served. I am also extremely aware of what the military does to take care of troublemakers or those who break some provision of the UCMJ. I know of a couple of Naval Captains who got canned for gross misconduct. They should have gotten canned, they were an embarrassment to the entire Naval service, from the newest boot to the oldest Admiral of the Navy.

That is why I am telling you you are all wet with your information. Remember, I lived in a heavily military area. 2 Army bases, a huge Air Force Base, a huge shipyard, and the largest Naval base in the states all within about 25 miles from my front door. I'm fairly certain I know a fairly good number of upper enlisted and officers, and I know that they are NOT being "brainwashed"...those who get canned deserve it. Those who take advantage of their rank to intimidate and rape lower enlisted women should get canned. Those who overlook gross misconduct of their troops, those who take bribes, yup...toss 'em out, lock 'em up in the brig, take their pensions and everything. THOSE are the sorts of offenses they are getting canned for...

Do yourself a favor...go dig up the Virginian Pilot (pilotonline.com)...you'll find lots of information there on the big dogs who got canned.

You might want to lay off on your opinions...you have NO idea who I know. And yes, I do know 4 star Admirals and Generals. I also know a couple of senators and congresscritters. I am probably much better connected than you are...and I can tell you that you are so full of baloney, it's not even funny.

The Sheriff of my hometown was a high school classmate of mine. A couple of fire department battalion chiefs were friends of mine or siblings of friends of mine. Chief of Police...yup, know him and his family too.

So...would you like to repeat your allegations?

Blind faith. Refusal to look at the truth. I don't go to liberal websites because I have a stomach problem and I quickly get nauseated at all of the propaganda I have to read.

If you are "connected" you're most likely just a mouthpiece to defend whatever the administration does. You are not in on any details of importance because those are top secret.

You blindly accept anything Obama does or says and that is what is so sad about this nation at this time. No one, except a few Christians will recognize the antichrist because they can't even see through an empty Obama. I don't care where you have lived. There is a Naval Base here, so what? Those kids don't know what's going on. They accept what they are told.

If you know so much tell me why Evangelical Christians are near the top of the terrorist threats list of the DHS. Oh, they make it seem like it's radical Christians. Really. How many of them are there? Not many. Radicals are radicals. They are not Christian, nor are they Muslim or any other religion. They simply use the religion to give them an excuse to rebel.

Go watch your hero on YouTube. You're unable to look at him realistically. You didn't even read my link or you would know it was way more than the 93 or 97 which I posted.

ProudMomxmany · Dec 29, 2013

Psalm 91 said:
Live in your dream world. Think what you want. It looks like you didn't read what the retired generals said but...whatever. More have been fired by this president than any before him. Did you read about the affairs going on while women are in combat and on ships and subs which jeopardizes our effectiveness and endangers other soldiers lives? But no, we have the same military we had with Ronald Reagan, nothing has changed. Right.

That has been going on since they first had women on ships...in the 80's. Its nothing new. Something like 25 women on the USS John F. Kennedy got knocked up during one of their Med deployments in the late 80's. BIG DEAL...like that's supposed to shock me?

I take anything a retired General says with a grain of salt. Those guys tend to live in the past (I know a few of them).

You have yet to "prove" your point with me. Something about having intimate, inside knowledge of the military is what makes me usually just chuckle at you. Like I said previously, I know quite a few military types and if you're all worried about what some retired General said, I'll tell you why its just sour grapes. Today they are doing more to unload the guys who are not living up to the UCMJ rather than sweeping it under the rug like they did before...those guys tend to stick together to protect each other when they do stupid stuff. I know of a now disgraced sub captain who used to take his multi-billion dollar ship to Florida so he could get laid by his girlfriend who lived down there while his wife and kids were holding down the homefront in Norfolk. He got caught with his hand in the cookie jar. Got court-martialed for a number of UCMJ violations. He deserved it.

Then there was the captain who filmed borderline pornographic and racist crap using ship equipment and would run it over the cctv system on board ship. He got court martialed and disgraced.

I know a lot of those cases. Can't help but know as we are part of that community. You're getting your shorts in a knot over nothing. Get over it. I get my military news from the folks that are THERE, not Fox, not MSNBC, not even the local news...so that's why I say you are all wet with your allegations.

D Rodgers · Dec 29, 2013

Retired Army Lt. Gen. William G. Jerry Boykin, who was a founding member of Delta Force and later deputy undersecretary of defense for intelligence under President George W. Bush, says it is worrying that four-star generals are being retired at the rate that has occurred under Obama.

Over the past three years, it is unprecedented for the number of four-star generals to be relieved of duty, and not necessarily relieved for cause, Boykin said.

I believe there is a purging of the military, he said. The problem is worse than we have ever seen.

The future of the military is becoming more and more of concern, added Boykin, since colonels who would become generals are also being relieved of duty if they show that theyre not going to support Obamas agenda, which critics have described as socialist.

I talk to a lot of folks who dont support where Obama is taking the military, but in the military they cant say anything, Boykin said.

As a consequence, he said, the lower grades have decided to leave, having been given the signal that there is no future in the military for them.

Referring to recent reports that Obama has purged some 197 officers in the past five years, Boykin said the reports suggest these officers were suspected of disloyalty or disagreed with the Obama administration on policy or force-structure issues. As Boykin pointed out, a number of them have been relieved of duty for no given reason.

Morale is at an unprecedented low, Boykin added, part of which is due to sequestration.

ProudMomxmany · Dec 29, 2013

Morale is low due to the lack of training $$ and the general malaise that is endemic across the country. 197 officers out of thousands really is not a big deal.

Generals are funny cats...they tend to live in the past. So are Naval Captains and Air Force Colonels. They truly believe that the military was "better" during the days of Ronnie and the cold war. The lower ranking officers can probably make more $$ in the civilian world these days so why should they stay in uniform if they can make twice as much in the civilian world. One of my husband's doctors is retired Navy. He retired as a Commander after 20 years. He makes 4 times as much in the private sector than he did in the Navy.

Once again, the president does not personally fire the officers. There's a huge layer of bureaucracy they have to go through. Also, the limits for years of tenure are getting more stringent. In the enlisted ranks, it used to be that an E-6 could serve 26 years before getting booted due to high year tenure. Not anymore...20 years for an E-6 now. That's it. They are unloading to make room for the younger guys and gals to move up.

Being relieved of duty "for no reason" is bullpucky. They are probably being relieved for some UCMJ violation and the military is choosing not to make it public. It can be anything from alcoholism to adultery to having issues with the current acceptance of homosexuals in the military. If they are not willing to support current policy, then out they go.

Remember, the sequester came about because some of our elected officials refused to do anything to compromise in the budget battles.

I love reading this mess...really I do...after I read it, I pick up the phone and speak with some folks I know and then hear them laugh...

RDKirk · Dec 29, 2013

D Rodgers said:
Retired Army Lt. Gen. William G. Jerry Boykin, who was a founding member of Delta Force and later deputy undersecretary of defense for intelligence under President George W. Bush, says it is worrying that four-star generals are being retired at the rate that has occurred under Obama.

Over the past three years, it is unprecedented for the number of four-star generals to be relieved of duty, and not necessarily relieved for cause, Boykin said.

I believe there is a purging of the military, he said. The problem is worse than we have ever seen.

The future of the military is becoming more and more of concern, added Boykin, since colonels who would become generals are also being relieved of duty if they show that theyre not going to support Obamas agenda, which critics have described as socialist.

I talk to a lot of folks who dont support where Obama is taking the military, but in the military they cant say anything, Boykin said.

As a consequence, he said, the lower grades have decided to leave, having been given the signal that there is no future in the military for them.

Referring to recent reports that Obama has purged some 197 officers in the past five years, Boykin said the reports suggest these officers were suspected of disloyalty or disagreed with the Obama administration on policy or force-structure issues. As Boykin pointed out, a number of them have been relieved of duty for no given reason.

Morale is at an unprecedented low, Boykin added, part of which is due to sequestration.

I've already pointed out that 197 out of 225,000 officers does not spell "purge" in anyone's definition but an extremist ideologue. Over 10,000 officers were pinkslipped during the elder Bush's administration when forces were reduced after the Soviet Union collapsed.

Boykin is blowing smoke to make himself the darling of the right wing. The number of officers, including flag officers, is nowhere near unprecedented under this administration. In fact, more 4-star generals--the entire cadre of Vietnam era generals--retired immediately prior to the Iraq war...a couple in direct opposition to entering that war.

D Rodgers · Dec 29, 2013

You're repeating yourself. So, I'm supposed to take your word over the word of General Boykin, a founding member of Delta Force? The man oozes credibility. Pardon me, but I think I'll go with General Boykin's opinion.

RDKirk · Dec 29, 2013

D Rodgers said:
You're repeating yourself. So, I'm supposed to take your word over the word of General Boykin, a founding member of Delta Force? The man oozes credibility. Pardon me, but I think I'll go with General Boykin's opinion.

We don't have to go with opinion. Notice Boykin doesn't provide any numerical proof that any more officers have been released during Obama's administration compared to the elder Bush's.

No, you don't count the younger Bush's administration, because his was a war-build-up administration when forces were being plussed up. Now, with the Iraq war basically over and Afghanistan on its way down, forces are being reduced, and the general officer force had grown especially fat.

D Rodgers · Dec 29, 2013

What I would suggest you do is open your eyes and look at the big picture. Right now you are having an awful time seeing the forest for the trees.

D Rodgers · Dec 29, 2013

Why would you doubt that Obama is purging the military? Why would doubt it? My question to you, is why WOULDN'T he intentionally purge the military of top brass?

D Rodgers · Dec 29, 2013

Who funds the Left? Where did Obama get most of his campaign contributions?

D Rodgers · Dec 29, 2013

RDKirk said:
We don't have to go with opinion. Notice Boykin doesn't provide any numerical proof that any more officers have been released during Obama's administration compared to the elder Bush's.

No, you don't count the younger Bush's administration, because his was a war-build-up administration when forces were being plussed up. Now, with the Iraq war basically over and Afghanistan on its way down, forces are being reduced, and the general officer force had grown especially fat.

So you're calling General Boykin a liar?

D Rodgers · Dec 29, 2013

So no one is going to talk to me now? How about this? Answer this for me. Is there anyone here who supports the forced redistribution of wealth by the U.S. Government? Does anyone support that concept?

D Rodgers · Dec 29, 2013

I took an oath to defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic. I still have a duty to uphold that oath. The Constitution of the United States of America was crafted by Christian men. Yes; they were imperfect as are all men.

However, they had the right idea. Capitalism is not a perfect economic model....there is no perfect economic model because men are imperfect, however, true free market capitalism gives the most people the most opportunity to be free of any economic system invented by man thus far.

In Vietnam we fought communism. Yet, we have people who call themselves Christians who are now speaking out on behalf of communism.

I worship the one true living God.

Who is your god? The State? If so, you will be seriously disappointed if you continue to worship this false god.

D Rodgers · Dec 29, 2013

The government doesn't solve problems. The government IS the problem.

ProudMomxmany · Dec 29, 2013

1. The USA is NOT a "Christian" Nation. Most of the founding fathers and the crafter of the Constitution/Bill of Rights was a Deist at best.

2. Saying that a Democrat cannot be a "true" Christian is against TOS.

3. The knee-jerk pro-fetus of the right turns many off. It's not pro-life, it's pro-fetus. Once that baby is born, any safety net that might help it have a better life is being cut left and right by the GOP.

4. 200 out of 225,000 general officers is LESS than 1%. BIG HOOTING DEAL!

5. As a proud wife, mother, daughter, daughter-in-law, sister-in-law and granddaughter of veterans, I can tell you that the hysteria is just that, hysteria. Instead of supporting the right-wing obstructionists in DC, fight for compromise. Instead of being all about the "babies" (fetuses) and oh no, can't have the gays marrying, fight for better education, better safety nets, stop all this pork-barrel spending and support putting money into renewing infrastructure that will put millions of people back to work. Support raising the minimum wage so folks that are working DO NOT have to rely on safety nets. Support health care access for ALL, not just the elite.

The rest...get over it.

D Rodgers · Dec 29, 2013

John Adams

SIGNER OF THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE; JUDGE; DIPLOMAT; ONE OF TWO SIGNERS OF THE BILL OF RIGHTS; SECOND PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity. I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God.

D Rodgers · Dec 29, 2013

ProudMomxmany said:
3. The knee-jerk pro-fetus of the right turns many off. It's not pro-life, it's pro-fetus. Once that baby is born, any safety net that might help it have a better life is being cut left and right by the GOP.

Yeah....explain that to God....ahh...it's just a fetus...so I'm sure you don't mind if we kill it.

Safety net? How much more do you want? Let's see....you have welfare, social security, Obamacare now, medicare, medicaid. What else would you like? You want everybody to get a free car? Oh yeah....I forgot about Section 8.

Did you find that in the scripture someplace that we as Christians should put politicians in office who provide a social safety net for people? Show me where Jesus said the GOVERNMENT should take care of people.

Does the Bible support individual responsibility? Yes or No? How about economic responsibility? Yes or no? How responsible are we being as a nation when our central bank prints 85 Billion per month, most of which is going to support the massive forced redistribution of wealth?

Was Jesus a Marxist? Is that what you're saying?

D Rodgers · Dec 29, 2013

You're getting hung up on the numbers. The effectiveness of the military is being intentionally compromised.

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