The elephant in the room: the massive, looming problem of the Christian Right.

[Psalm 91]

If you think our young military men and women are being "brainwashed", then I rebuke you. You are insulting an entire generation of young people who have chosen to give up a whole lot to put that uniform on.

As a matter of fact, I rebuke you for your entire statement regarding the military AND the police. I forgive you your ignorance, but I rebuke you for your misguided opinions.

Well, I'm right and I know I'm right so you can rebuke me all that you want. It won't change a thing. They are being told that Evangelical Christians are their enemy over terrorists and others who might threaten the gov't...except that Evangelicals NEVER threaten the government. They just want young soldiers to think that.

The police are becoming so violent they are killing innocent citizens. They killed a guy who was up on his roof, for nothing. We aren't allowed to sit on the roof? They nearly killed a woman they arrested for dui by throwing her into a cell where she hit her head on a cement block. They kill family pets. Don't let your overly friendly dog run to greet them because he will get a bullet between his eyes. They are somehow being desensitized to regular citizens. We have become their enemy and we didn't do anything.

Obama wants a police and military that will fire on the citizens in a case of martial law or major disaster.

 

[Psalm 91]

You need to stop that garbage. Seriously. It's an extremely evil charge you're making against a generation of fine young people. They are not being brainwashed. It's not happening.

Just stop it.

It's not garbage. The charge is not against the young people, it's against those doing the brainwashing. I pray they are not listening but they are young and easily influenced. They are taught to take orders and if the orders are against American citizens...

 

[Psalm 91]

Aren't you the one always in the American Politics section saying "liberals are better than conservatives"? And also calling everyone who doesn't believe the same as you "stupid"? I think someone needs to check the log in their own eye...

Just Engaged!

Congratulations!

 

[Psalm 91]

I am gonna say this about your thoughts and share mine. What you don't understand and what liberals don't understand... is that Christians like myself vote on abortion. If a leader can't get the life issue right, then I cannot ever trust them on anything because it is so obvious and if you can't protect the MOST innocent of all, then you can't protect anything.

 

[ProudMomxmany]

Well, I'm right and I know I'm right so you can rebuke me all that you want. It won't change a thing. They are being told that Evangelical Christians are their enemy over terrorists and others who might threaten the gov't...except that Evangelicals NEVER threaten the government. They just want young soldiers to think that.

The police are becoming so violent they are killing innocent citizens. They killed a guy who was up on his roof, for nothing. We aren't allowed to sit on the roof? They nearly killed a woman they arrested for dui by throwing her into a cell where she hit her head on a cement block. They kill family pets. Don't let your overly friendly dog run to greet them because he will get a bullet between his eyes. They are somehow being desensitized to regular citizens. We have become their enemy and we didn't do anything.

Obama wants a police and military that will fire on the citizens in a case of martial law or major disaster.

Then I will call it like I see it and call you out on this. I am the mother of a veteran (twice in the sandbox), and I can assure you he NEVER heard such baloney as you are spewing. I can guarantee you that his battalion never heard that mess. I can guarantee you that my husband never heard that mess when he was serving. May God forgive you.

You are seeing the things that make the papers, they make the papers because they are outside the norm. Here where I live, police officers brought a woman and her son Christmas dinner and gifts after her house had been robbed. Another officer, instead of arresting a woman for shoplifting, spent 200 dollars of her own money to buy the woman and her family groceries. I have good friends AND a daughter who are police officers and drawing their service weapon is a last resort. My daughter doesn't know from one minute to the next if her life is going to be taken (she patrols in the rough part of the town she lives in on the third shift). A friend of mine who was a cop was nearly killed by an enraged driver she stopped for DUI.

Again, I rebuke you for what you are saying, you are painting some with a very broad brush. I highly advise you to go volunteer at the USO, get to know the cops in your city. You'll find that the ones who go rogue are the outliers. The rest are doing a job, they do serve and protect.

I'll be waiting for an apology on behalf of my son and daughter from you.

 

[Stone Butterfly]

The OP is almost like a journal proof of why the Christian earthly family is divided in their faith and values. And that division is why the enemy within and without is able to overcome the righteous and corrupt America. When his spirit has help from the Christians among us not only does he revel in victory but he gains strength in our division and weakness of spirit.

 

[Psalm 91]

Then I will call it like I see it and call you out on this. I am the mother of a veteran (twice in the sandbox), and I can assure you he NEVER heard such baloney as you are spewing. I can guarantee you that his battalion never heard that mess. I can guarantee you that my husband never heard that mess when he was serving. May God forgive you.

You are seeing the things that make the papers, they make the papers because they are outside the norm. Here where I live, police officers brought a woman and her son Christmas dinner and gifts after her house had been robbed. Another officer, instead of arresting a woman for shoplifting, spent 200 dollars of her own money to buy the woman and her family groceries. I have good friends AND a daughter who are police officers and drawing their service weapon is a last resort. My daughter doesn't know from one minute to the next if her life is going to be taken (she patrols in the rough part of the town she lives in on the third shift). A friend of mine who was a cop was nearly killed by an enraged driver she stopped for DUI.

Again, I rebuke you for what you are saying, you are painting some with a very broad brush. I highly advise you to go volunteer at the USO, get to know the cops in your city. You'll find that the ones who go rogue are the outliers. The rest are doing a job, they do serve and protect.

I'll be waiting for an apology on behalf of my son and daughter from you.

When the police apologize for killing family dogs and stray kittens and for killing that poor man who was sitting on his roof, then I may apologize for what I said about them. But until that happens and until the behavior stops, I feel no remorse for what I am saying. Of course they do nice things during the holidays and get lots of press coverage for it. When they kill a beloved dog, it's kept under wraps.

As far as the military is concerned, I'm not speaking of veterans of the past. I'm speaking of today. Jesus is being taken away from the soldiers and they are being trained to follow orders, even if it means firing on US citizens. Didn't you see the aftermath of Katrina? The National Guard went in to confiscate guns and roughed up people in the process. They should have been saving drowning people, instead. They should have been bringing food and water to those who couldn't get out of their own areas because of the water levels. But no, the first orders were to confiscate guns. Ridiculous.

You need to look at not only Katrina but Hurricane Sandy. People did not have power for months. We saw coverage for maybe a couple of weeks and then the media forgot. Obama went to New Jersey and posed for photo ops with Chris Christie and promised so much help and then left and people are still waiting for help to rebuild their homes. The masses mean nothing. It's not as bad as the Roman Empire but it is getting close. The military, what is left of it, will be trained to kill anyone who gets in their way from following orders. If you don't pay attention to what is going on now, what has happened in the past, and the sleepy attitudes of the people, you will be totally caught off guard if a disaster happens in your area or if there is a WWIII, which the Bible says will kill, I think it's a quarter of the people in the world.

The Boston "bombing" is another example. Police lied and said their was a shoot out with the bombing suspects while a video of the elder Tsarnaev being put into a squad car naked showed up on the internet. You could see his face clearly. Then a picture of his body showed up with extensive trauma and a huge hole in his left side used to externally massage his heart in an attempt to resuscitate him. So what really happened? We'll just be told the same untrue story forever. But it's obvious it's not true and I believe the police beat him to death accidentally and then there was a heroic effort to resuscitate him which failed. They think we are so stupid. They lie to the American people all of the time. I rarely believe what I am told in the news. It gets worse and worse with each administration and I don't believe it will ever change now. The plan is to control everyone and it's in motion.

They "practiced" martial law in Boston and a phone video was taken from an upstairs apartment showing police forcing people out of their homes at gunpoint and yelling at them to put their hands over their heads and then they went looking for supposedly, the suspect? I doubt it. They wanted to see how America would react. And we did nothing. We believe whatever they tell us because America is asleep and hasn't realized that our government is becoming tyrannical and the police are no longer there to serve and protect us. They are serving the government, period.

 

[ThisBrotherOfHis]

To the OP:

I noticed your rather lengthy initial post talked about a whole slew of favorite socialist issues, but you didn't say one single word about the real elephant in the room:

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You'd best worry about your own party and its coming downfall instead of trying to lay artificial blame on the conservatives about issues that won't amount to the contents of the collection receptacle in a port-a-potty about ten months from now.

 

[ProudMomxmany]

When the police apologize for killing family dogs and stray kittens and for killing that poor man who was sitting on his roof, then I may apologize for what I said about them. But until that happens and until the behavior stops, I feel no remorse for what I am saying. Of course they do nice things during the holidays and get lots of press coverage for it. When they kill a beloved dog, it's kept under wraps.

As far as the military is concerned, I'm not speaking of veterans of the past. I'm speaking of today. Jesus is being taken away from the soldiers and they are being trained to follow orders, even if it means firing on US citizens. Didn't you see the aftermath of Katrina? The National Guard went in to confiscate guns and roughed up people in the process. They should have been saving drowning people, instead. They should have been bringing food and water to those who couldn't get out of their own areas because of the water levels. But no, the first orders were to confiscate guns. Ridiculous.

You need to look at not only Katrina but Hurricane Sandy. People did not have power for months. We saw coverage for maybe a couple of weeks and then the media forgot. Obama went to New Jersey and posed for photo ops with Chris Christie and promised so much help and then left and people are still waiting for help to rebuild their homes. The masses mean nothing. It's not as bad as the Roman Empire but it is getting close. The military, what is left of it, will be trained to kill anyone who gets in their way from following orders. If you don't pay attention to what is going on now, what has happened in the past, and the sleepy attitudes of the people, you will be totally caught off guard if a disaster happens in your area or if there is a WWIII, which the Bible says will kill, I think it's a quarter of the people in the world.

The Boston "bombing" is another example. Police lied and said their was a shoot out with the bombing suspects while a video of the elder Tsarnaev being put into a squad car naked showed up on the internet. You could see his face clearly. Then a picture of his body showed up with extensive trauma and a huge hole in his left side used to externally massage his heart in an attempt to resuscitate him. So what really happened? We'll just be told the same untrue story forever. But it's obvious it's not true and I believe the police beat him to death accidentally and then there was a heroic effort to resuscitate him which failed. They think we are so stupid. They lie to the American people all of the time. I rarely believe what I am told in the news. It gets worse and worse with each administration and I don't believe it will ever change now. The plan is to control everyone and it's in motion.

They "practiced" martial law in Boston and a phone video was taken from an upstairs apartment showing police forcing people out of their homes at gunpoint and yelling at them to put their hands over their heads and then they went looking for supposedly, the suspect? I doubt it. They wanted to see how America would react. And we did nothing. We believe whatever they tell us because America is asleep and hasn't realized that our government is becoming tyrannical and the police are no longer there to serve and protect us. They are serving the government, period.

Once again, I call you out. My son got out of the Army last July (2013).

You need to STOP spreading lies. As I've told you, the outliers get the press coverage. During Katrina, people were getting "roughed up" due to the number of crimes being committed by the looters who were taking anything and everything that was or wasn't nailed down. You don't like it? You don't like that the Guard restored order? You don't like that they kept anarchy and riots from breaking out? I'm sorry...Oh...and I have friends who went thru Katrina so again, I'll tell you you are lying and basing your opinions on some rubbish that was on the news.

I again rebuke you on behalf of the millions of soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines that do their jobs, endeavor to be examples to be looked up to, who are active and outspoken Christians, who live their faith in and out of uniform. I rebuke you on behalf of the police officers, firefighters and EMTs who hang their butts out on the line EVERY SINGLE DAY, never knowing if the next call will be their last.

I truly hope that the next time you need a police officer, firefighter or EMT, you reject their help because according to you they are a bunch of lawless, out of control atheists.

 

[Psalm 91]

To the OP:

I noticed your rather lengthy initial post talked about a whole slew of favorite socialist issues, but you didn't say one single word about the real elephant in the room:

​

You'd best worry about your own party and its coming downfall instead of trying to lay artificial blame on the conservatives about issues that won't amount to the contents of the collection receptacle in a port-a-potty about ten months from now.

So true. So true.

 

[Psalm 91]

Once again, I call you out. My son got out of the Army last July (2013).

You need to STOP spreading lies. As I've told you, the outliers get the press coverage. During Katrina, people were getting "roughed up" due to the number of crimes being committed by the looters who were taking anything and everything that was or wasn't nailed down. You don't like it? You don't like that the Guard restored order? You don't like that they kept anarchy and riots from breaking out? I'm sorry...Oh...and I have friends who went thru Katrina so again, I'll tell you you are lying and basing your opinions on some rubbish that was on the news.

I again rebuke you on behalf of the millions of soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines that do their jobs, endeavor to be examples to be looked up to, who are active and outspoken Christians, who live their faith in and out of uniform. I rebuke you on behalf of the police officers, firefighters and EMTs who hang their butts out on the line EVERY SINGLE DAY, never knowing if the next call will be their last.

I truly hope that the next time you need a police officer, firefighter or EMT, you reject their help because according to you they are a bunch of lawless, out of control atheists.

All three of my brothers and a brother-in-law were Marines and are very patriotic. I would never say anything to them that would discourage that and it's not my intention to discourage you. It is not the military that is at fault. What I am trying to say is that there is an agenda in this world and the wars that are being started are to further that agenda, to control oil, to control the poppy growth or drug traffic, IOW, it's about money. As a result our young men and women are dying and coming home maimed and innocent civilians have been killed. Neither of the wars had anything to do with 9/11. And yet these young people freely gave their lives thinking they were defending their country from terrorism. The NWO achieved it's goal and now everyone is giving up their freedom in order to be safe from a non-existent terrorism threat. The only terrorism we see happening is happening in the Middle East and Africa. It's not coming here because they are not big enough or powerful enough. It is all a lie to frighten people. Sure, they are barbaric and would love to be here and destroy this country, but the NWO is not using them for that, at least not yet.

What I am trying to say is that the U.S. has elected the perfect puppet for the times. He is a true believer in Marxism and big government and control over every citizen and non-citizen living in the United States. That is part of the goal. Now he has diminished our military and fired many of the top brass of the military, supposedly for various reasons, but most believe that it is because they disagree with him. Now the new agreement between Dems and Republicans will decrease the benefits and incomes of members of the military who already don't make enough compared to what is expected of them. DHS has accumulated tons of ammunition for what? In case of a disaster and martial law? Still why? To shoot at civilians? Well, who will do that? Do you think Barack and Michelle will be out there shooting? No. It will be our sons and daughters and the police. During the Civil War brothers fought brothers. Why wouldn't it happen again? You can't just ignore these things. You can't just assume that if DHS is accumulating so much ammunition, "it must be for a good reason".

People need to study prophecy because there will be a world government and we who are all comfortable and thinking we're protected by the Constitution had better wake up. There is very little respect for the Constitution by our government, including many in Congress. I recently posted an article listing the members of Congress who are members of the Communist Party of America. Times have changed and people in this country are living as if they are as safe as they were twenty years ago. We're not and it's not because of any foreign terrorists. It's because of the NWO which controls leaders and has no respect for laws or people or individuality or values and they are doing it by stealth. We are busy blaming Democrats and Republicans and the president and wealthy people and Business when they are all just following orders. Many of them believe in a world government but even if they didn't, they have no choice. So my fight is not with the military or the police. It's with the agenda planned for us in which they will be used to turn their guns on us in order to control us. If you don't believe this will ever happen, study the Boston "lockdown" after the bombing.

Also, the force used in Katrina which I saw, was on a little old lady and regular citizens in their homes, not looters. Okay? I saw people stranded on a freeway and couldn't get off because of the level of the water. They were stuck in the heat and didn't have water. So IMO, troops could have been better used to help the people instead of taking the guns of law-abiding citizens.

 

[ProudMomxmany]

I still say you are reading the wrong news. Your fearmongering conspiracy theory baloney is just that...

Also...just a question...if God is truly in control, why are you so fearful? Either God is in control and all this is part of His plan or God isn't in control and the world will descend into chaos. Which is it? I think I already know which you believe based on your posts.

Oh, and Katrina was a disaster because the then president (George W. Bush) and the director of FEMA were incompetent.

 

[Albion]

I still say you are reading the wrong news. Your fearmongering conspiracy theory baloney is just that...

Also...just a question...if God is truly in control, why are you so fearful? Either God is in control and all this is part of His plan or God isn't in control and the world will descend into chaos. Which is it? I think I already know which you believe based on your posts.

A lot of what he said isn't really part of any conspiracy theory, however. It's entirely sensible to say that certain ideas and policies are at work which have a purpose and goal that is not 'as advertised.'

 

[Psalm 91]

I still say you are reading the wrong news. Your fearmongering conspiracy theory baloney is just that...

Also...just a question...if God is truly in control, why are you so fearful? Either God is in control and all this is part of His plan or God isn't in control and the world will descend into chaos. Which is it? I think I already know which you believe based on your posts.

Oh, and Katrina was a disaster because the then president (George W. Bush) and the director of FEMA were incompetent.

If you yourself were not fearful you would be able to face or at least "investigate" stories not carried by the liberal mainstream media. I'm not fearful. We are told in Scripture to be aware, be sober, watch the signs of the times. I have no doubt that God is in control but He has told us that when Jesus returns it will be as the days of Noah, and many will be caught off guard. That is why He wants us to watch, to be ready spiritually to meet Him. The world will eventually descend into chaos. I probably won't be here but it will happen because Scripture says it will. That doesn't mean that God won't be in control. He was in control during the flood wasn't He? He's in control during tsunamis and typhoons, etc. It's we who are out of control. It is human nature to be fearful, but those who know what is happening and are ready for it will have the peace of God when these things happen.

Maybe the FEMA director...somewhat like Health and Human Services director of today, but I don't think Bush was incompetent. Funny, no one questioned the incompetence of Ray Nagin, the Landrieu family who run the state, but they jumped all over George Bush who wasn't in the state until after the hurricane was over. Yeah, he made a few mistakes but you know what? If I was involved in a natural disaster and the government gave me a motor home to live in, I'd be thankful. I think that is pretty good, considering, many people were destitute. But Bush could just never do anything right. I hope they are all happier now.

 

[ProudMomxmany]

I've investigated...I've read all sorts of documents. I have no fear. God is in control. Why should I fear if I believe the Sovereign of the Universe is in control of everything? I am not worried...I am ready, if the Lord should return tonight.

All these things you worry about, you are like the Pharisees of old who did not trust in the Lord, but trusted in all their laws and rituals.

Again, if God is in control, why should I fear anything? I do not fear the one who can only kill my body. I know who has my soul and spirit. Absence from the world is to be in the Lord's presence. Not worried at all.

 

[RDKirk]

Now he has diminished our military and fired many of the top brass of the military, supposedly for various reasons, but most believe that it is because they disagree with him.

This is not a true statement. It's not true that Obama has fired "many of the top brass" nor is it true that "most believe that it is because they disagree with him."

There are currently almost 1,000 general officers. The Navy has nearly as many admirals as it has ships.

How many of them has "Obama fired?"

Considering that every general officer has at least 25 years of service, do you really think a mere two terms of Obama has somehow brainwashed them?

Wait, just in the last election didn't conservatives claim that the majority of military officers were Republican?

So have all these senior officers been brainwashed by Obama in just the last three years? Wow, Obama is really effective.

 

[Psalm 91]

I've investigated...I've read all sorts of documents. I have no fear. God is in control. Why should I fear if I believe the Sovereign of the Universe is in control of everything? I am not worried...I am ready, if the Lord should return tonight.

All these things you worry about, you are like the Pharisees of old who did not trust in the Lord, but trusted in all their laws and rituals.

Again, if God is in control, why should I fear anything? I do not fear the one who can only kill my body. I know who has my soul and spirit. Absence from the world is to be in the Lord's presence. Not worried at all.

Excuse me. To call me a Pharisee when I have given my life to Jesus and am simply doing my best to obey His command to watch the signs of the times is not very Christian. Your analogy makes no sense.

 

[Psalm 91]

This is not a true statement. It's not true that Obama has fired "many of the top brass" nor is it true that "most believe that it is because they disagree with him."

There are currently almost 1,000 general officers. The Navy has nearly as many admirals as it has ships.

How many of them has "Obama fired?"

Considering that every general officer has at least 25 years of service, do you really think a mere two terms of Obama has somehow brainwashed them?

Wait, just in the last election didn't conservatives claim that the majority of military officers were Republican?

So have all these senior officers been brainwashed by Obama in just the last three years? Wow, Obama is really effective.

We've already had this discussion, RDKirk. Remember I tried to post two articles about it and the links didn't work because I have difficulty with links? All you have to do is type in "senior military officers fired by Obama"
and you will find many articles. I'm not sure but I think it is 93 or 97, more than any president.

 

[Psalm 91]

I'll try again. You won't like the title of the website but this is the first that is so descriptive of all of the reasons why he's firing generals.

Another Commander Fired – Close to 200 Senior Officers Fired Since Obama Took Office :: War on Liberals

 

[RDKirk]

We've already had this discussion, RDKirk. Remember I tried to post two articles about it and the links didn't work because I have difficulty with links? All you have to do is type in "senior military officers fired by Obama"
and you will find many articles. I'm not sure but I think it is 93 or 97, more than any president.

Your lists include, by great majority, O3 and O4 officers, which are not "senior." I doubt seriously that the president is made personally aware of any captains or majors that leave the military.

Even then, your lists contain fewer than 900 officers--again, including mostly junior officers, not "senior" officers--out of an overall officer corps of 225,000.

Again, there are nearly 1,000 general officers in the military, and unless you can list a significant percentage of them--a hundred or more, not just three or four--you can't claim any kind of senior office purge.

These officers are, indeed, released for a variety of reasons of ineffectiveness. It's not a "purge" just because some joker on a blog says so, and a bunch of other jokers repeat him.

I'm personally offended by your remarks, because you are consistently alleging that the US military, especially its officer corps, is made up of a bunch of morons easily brainwashed by Obama.