The elect

[Gregory Thompson]

So are the elect like that group of people at the prayer meeting who decide who's saved and who's not? I Mean, how do they know who isn't saved? Did they vote? Sometimes saved people appear on the list and it is confusing.

 

[MariaJLM]

It's just absurd "theology" that is basically implying God is a sadist who creates certain people just to damn them.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

It's just absurd "theology" that is basically implying God is a sadist who creates certain people just to damn them.

Not really what I was getting at, but I guess I could see your line of logic.

 

[Hammster]

So are the elect like that group of people at the prayer meeting who decide who's saved and who's not? I Mean, how do they know who isn't saved? Did they vote? Sometimes saved people appear on the list and it is confusing.

The elect are those who are saved. It’s in the Bible.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

The elect are those who are saved. It’s in the Bible.

Okay, so who elects them?

 

[Hammster]

Okay, so who elects them?

God.

 

[Ttalkkugjil]

It's just absurd "theology" that is basically implying God is a sadist who creates certain people just to damn them.

What you're speaking of here Maria seems to be double-predestination. Not everyone who holds to the concept of the elect believes in that.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

God.

I agree.

What confused me is churches acting like their perception of people's speech, actions, theology, and other factors affects people's salvation.

 

[Jonaitis]

Election, it is a nice word.

 

[Hammster]

I agree.

What confused me is churches acting like their perception of people's speech, actions, theology, and other factors affects people's salvation.

That’s law. The gospel is greater.

 

[MariaJLM]

Not really what I was getting at, but I guess I could see your line of logic.

I was thinking of the Calvinist doctrine of Predestination. Perhaps I misunderstood.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Election, it is a nice word.

Isn't it though?

 

[Hammster]

I was thinking of the Calvinist doctrine of Predestination. Perhaps I misunderstood.

I think you mean your misunderstanding of it because I am certain you’ve never read about it from actual Reformed sources.

 

[Ttalkkugjil]

I was thinking of the Calvinist doctrine of Predestination. Perhaps I misunderstood.

The OP didn't specify Calvinist.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

That’s law. The gospel is greater.

I don't think the church's perception of reality is law, but people do treat it that way sometimes. I appreciate your straightforward manner of addressing the topic.

 

[Jonaitis]

Isn't it though?

Yeah, it depends on how you look at it.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

I was thinking of the Calvinist doctrine of Predestination. Perhaps I misunderstood.

I read maybe a little too much KJV growing up, the word elect appears in that translation .. I think the Orthodox Study Bible I have uses a NKJV as its NT.

 

[redleghunter]

So are the elect like that group of people at the prayer meeting who decide who's saved and who's not? I Mean, how do they know who isn't saved? Did they vote? Sometimes saved people appear on the list and it is confusing.

Only God votes.

 

[HTacianas]

So are the elect like that group of people at the prayer meeting who decide who's saved and who's not? I Mean, how do they know who isn't saved? Did they vote? Sometimes saved people appear on the list and it is confusing.

That's easy for me to reconcile in my own head because I don't believe in the elect. I believe in an elect, but not the elect.

The difference is sometimes described as corporate election, meaning that there is a group that is elected, and individual election, the idea that certain individuals are elected.

I believe that God has decided that he will have a holy people but we cannot say who those individuals are.

 

[redleghunter]

I was thinking of the Calvinist doctrine of Predestination. Perhaps I misunderstood.

What is Calvinist doctrine of predestination?