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The elect in other faiths

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marianservant said:
Do you believe that their exists elect souls in faiths that arent reformed, maybe even in faiths that dont believe in election?

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First I would point out that all Christians should have some sort of doctrine of "election" because it is a Biblical term- the Reformed don't own the term outright. If you mean "faiths that don't believe in election" like Muslims or Hindus, I would say that these groups do not contain God's elect. One must have faith in Christ: not faith in Mohammed or Brahman. See Acts 4:12- "Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved."

But as to other non-Reformed "Christian" groups, the answer is:
Yes!
One is not saved by scoring high on a theology test, one is saved by faith in Christ alone. Romans 1:17 "For in the gospel a righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: 'The righteous will live by faith." Acts 2:21, "...Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."

Even in the Bible we have examples of many of God's children who had a very simple faith, like the thief on the cross. My own brother who lived a fast and dangerous life of drugs and alcohol cried tears of salvation on his hospice death bed. Both lacked a denominational affiliation.

I have a very good friend who disagrees with my Reformed theology, yet his faith in Christ alone and his commitment to Christ is beyond reproach. We agree to disagree. The key is the Gospel: the total trust in the work of Christ alone, done in behalf of his people "She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins" (Mt. 1:21).

But probably you want to know if a Calvinist would consider a Roman Catholic as "elect." First, I thank God that he knows who is elect and who isn't, not us. The elect don't wear special sweatshirts for identification. Secondly, I would speculate that there are elect people in various communions that I believe deny the gospel by their official doctrine. My own opinion is that the offical teachings of the Roman Catholic Church deny the Gospel. If one wishes to live one's life according to the offical teachings of Rome, they stand in grave danger. But, there are those, even within the Roman Catholic Church, that trust in Christ alone by faith alone for their salvation- this despite Rome's offical teaching. The same situation is probably the case for many other groups that I find at odds with the Gospel in their offical teaching.

Again this is just my opinion. I cling to Revelation 5:9-12.

Take Care,
James Swan
 
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marianservant said:
Do you believe that their exists elect souls in faiths that arent reformed,
There are elect souls in Christian denominations that are not reformed!



maybe even in faiths that dont believe in election?

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Im not sure what you mean by "faiths that dont believe in election" Do you mean People of differing faith groups within christianity or people within differing faith groups?
 
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rmwilliamsll said:
. Thus saying that any elect in the RC will leave given enough time.

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So basically anyone who dies in the RCC believing in it, in your eyes, cannot possibly be one of the elect?
 
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I refuse to condemn anyone for belief in an incorrect Christian doctrine. The Nicene Creed is probably the best summary of salvific faith. All orthodox Christian institutions acknowledge the Nicene Creed and use its articles as the gauge for true Christian faith. If someone believes as detailed in the Nicene Creed, then I believe that their faith is salvific, regardless of what denomination to which they ascribe their understanding.

Now, that does not mean that they do not err in their understanding. All it means is that God's elect are his elect, and they are known to him eternally. I think it's horribly judgmental to say anyone that does not profess a Reformed doctrine believes in a false Gospel and is not saved. It is not upon us to draw judgment against the elect status of those who are not among the Reformed. Their doctrines may be false, but we are not the judges of the souls of men. That is reserved for God alone.

Soli Deo Gloria

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Jon_ said:
I refuse to condemn anyone for belief in an incorrect Christian doctrine. The Nicene Creed is probably the best summary of salvific faith. All orthodox Christian institutions acknowledge the Nicene Creed and use its articles as the gauge for true Christian faith. If someone believes as detailed in the Nicene Creed, then I believe that their faith is salvific, regardless of what denomination to which they ascribe their understanding.

Now, that does not mean that they do not err in their understanding. All it means is that God's elect are his elect, and they are known to him eternally. I think it's horribly judgmental to say anyone that does not profess a Reformed doctrine believes in a false Gospel and is not saved. It is not upon us to draw judgment against the elect status of those who are not among the Reformed. Their doctrines may be false, but we are not the judges of the souls of men. That is reserved for God alone.

Soli Deo Gloria

Jon

That was a great post. God Bless
 
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I think as reformed believers we believe that the indwelling Holy Spirit does indeed lead us into all truth.
So we would say that our expectation is that the saved ( the elect) will come into all truth of the solas because of that .

But to paint all other professing Christians with a huge "LOST " sign or a BIG ? is to make decisions that belong to the judge alone.

I believe the invisible church has members inside of all the professing visible churches and in Gods time they will come to the truth .
But that may be as one draws his last breath, so we can not stand as judges of who is elect based on current doctrine.

I was elect before I was a Calvinist. If it had pleased God to take me then that is where I would have been at that time.

It happens I spent an hour on the phone with a Catholic girlfriend ( a very liberal one) that I have not spoken to since we worked together in a non denominational ministry.

I was so blessed to talk to her. She is one of the most God loving and fearing women I know . I have not one doubt about her election . She is my sister. So I am distressed when I see my brothers implying that she and others like her are not elect because they choose to stay in their churches .
 
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Jon_ said:
I refuse to condemn anyone for belief in an incorrect Christian doctrine. The Nicene Creed is probably the best summary of salvific faith. All orthodox Christian institutions acknowledge the Nicene Creed and use its articles as the gauge for true Christian faith. If someone believes as detailed in the Nicene Creed, then I believe that their faith is salvific, regardless of what denomination to which they ascribe their understanding.

Now, that does not mean that they do not err in their understanding. All it means is that God's elect are his elect, and they are known to him eternally. I think it's horribly judgmental to say anyone that does not profess a Reformed doctrine believes in a false Gospel and is not saved. It is not upon us to draw judgment against the elect status of those who are not among the Reformed. Their doctrines may be false, but we are not the judges of the souls of men. That is reserved for God alone.

Soli Deo Gloria

Jon

Jon, do you believe that sola fide is an important part of the gospel?
 
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