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The Economic Collapse After The Rapture

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by rollinTHUNDER, Jul 8, 2002.

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  1. mcfly1960

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    It is the Lamb that is opening the seals.  Only He is found worthy. The opening of the 7th seal produces the 7 angels with the 7 trumpets.  One of the 4 beasts before the throne of the Lamb gives the 7 angels the 7 vials of wrath. 

    If they were saved during the Church age, they would be part of the Church.  There would not have to be a distinction between the "144,000" and the "great multitude".  Note that there is no mention of the Lamb in the description of the "144,000" in Rev 7:1-8, but the Lamb is mentioned 3 times in the description of the "144,000" in Rev 14:1-5.   By Rev 14:1, these "144,000" are standing with the Lamb on Mt. Zion, with "His Father's name" written in their foreheads.

    I believe that these verses refer back to the tribulation of the Church age, having been fulfilled in history and are still being fulfilled.  Certainly, they are pre-wrath.

    The everlasting covenant of grace is extended only to the elect, both of the wild and natural branches of spiritual Israel.  Most assuredly, there is a point in time, beyond which there are "no more chances" given.  Paul reveals a mystery involving a time designated as the "the fullness of the Gentiles", beyond which I see "no more chances" given the Gentiles, since they are "full":"For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in."(Romans 11:25). 
     
  2. mcfly1960

    mcfly1960 Member

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    (Please delete duplicate post)
     
  3. mcfly1960

    mcfly1960 Member

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  4. JohnR7

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    Rev. 11:15
        Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, "The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!"

    If the wrath of God is not poured out 'tell after this event. Then this must take place before the "tribulation" can happen. It is through us that the Kingdoms of this world, become the Kingdoms of God. We are being sent forth to conquer this world for Jesus, so that whosoever is willing to submit to His rule and authority will be saved.

    In vs 18 we see the servants, prophets and saints are rewarded. But those who destroy the earth shall be destroyed. Our job it so build up, encourage and strength. Those who tear down will be destroyed.
     
  5. postrib

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    Note that all it says is that Jesus "opens" the seals (Revelation 6:1). Does this mean that he is the one behind them or that he is at that point allowing Satan to bring them about? (Did Pandora bring about all the suffering that came from the box she opened?) Similarly with the trumpets. Are they expressing God's wrath or announcing events brought about by Satan's wrath?

    Note that the Bible doesn't refer to a "church age," but instead says that the church is "throughout all ages, world without end" (Ephesians 3:21).

    When will "the fulness of the Gentiles be come in?" (Romans 11:25) In the pre-trib view, will no Gentiles be saved in the trib? Are the great multitude of us Christians in the tribulation "of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues" (Revelation 7:9, 14) all Israel?
     
  6. mcfly1960

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    This is true, but only for the elect body. Some day the door will be shut.  This is the door that only Christ can open and shut. When open, no man can shut it, and when shut, no man can open it. (Revelation 3:7).

    "And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut." Matthew 25:10

    "16 And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the LORD shut him in.
    17 And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth." Genesis 7:16-17

    We may have a clue from John 6:66: "From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him".

    The tribulation referred to in Revelation 7:9-14 must refer to the time before the "fullness of the Gentiles" (equivalent to the days before Noah entered the ark and the door was shut).  


     
     
  7. postrib

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    But note that the door is closed at Christ's coming (Matthew 25:10, compare Luke 13:24-28), which Jesus had just finished saying would be "immediately after the tribulation" (Matthew 24:29-31). There's no 3rd coming of Christ.
    I believe the "great multitude" that "came out of great tribulation" (Revelation 7:9, 14) will be those of us Christians who will enter the tribulation and die in the war, famine, persecution, and cataclysm of the seals which occur in the chapter just prior (Revelation 6).
     
  8. crd253

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    To rollinTHUNDER - I would very much like to know on what do you base your belief in the rapture?
     
  9. rollinTHUNDER

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    Hello crd253,

    I base it on the truth of the scriptures, through the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Seek and He will guide you into all truth. Pray for wisdom and understanding. Lean not on your own understanding.
     
  10. Susan

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    6:66

    Why is that a passage number in the Bible???
     
  11. cthoma11

    cthoma11 Up in Canada

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    Its there because it comes after 6:65 and before 6:67. Sorry, I just couldn't resist :)
    All numbering systems base 7 or above will have 3 6's in them if you count high enough....
     
  12. Susan

    Susan 退屈させた1 つ (bored one)

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    Hmm. . .too bad I couldn't use that as the basis for a religious exemption from math requirements LOL
     
  13. rollinTHUNDER

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    bump
     
  14. Tallyn

    Tallyn New Member

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    lets keep bumping messages!
     
  15. rollinTHUNDER

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    bump
     
  16. rollinTHUNDER

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  17. Faithful1

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    > Economic Collapse After The Rapture ?<

    Absolutely; all of the world economic systems collapse because it is at this time (at the last trump) that Jesus sets up His Kingdom.

    Faithful1
     
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