The Earth is not 6,000 years old.

[AV1611VET]

Now try to explain why there was an earthwide flood without loosing the debate.

Sure.

Genesis 6:12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.

 

[Frank Robert]

Except maybe a few white cliffs, meandering streams, and meandering rivers.Give me one that I can't explain.

Anything can be explained with ad hoc explanations. If you want to try though how about accommodating all the animals.

 

[Direct Driver]

Science has nothing to do with truth as you define truth. Science is only interested in the evidence. The majority of Cristian's have no problem believing in God and affirming scientific evidence. That said, I do understand that some Christians interpret the bible to be the literal word of God but the majority of Christians have a much more nuanced belief in the bible.

That is happening more and more, and I consider it a very good thing. The invention of the printing press gave us the reformation. The invention of the internet is like the printing press on steroids. That coupled with archeological finds like the Dead Sea Scrolls, etc. are bringing us to a new age of understanding of the bible and its meaning. Tim Mackey does a pretty good job here:

 

[AV1611VET]

Anything can be explained with ad hoc explanations. If you want to try though how about accommodating all the animals.

My explanation is that the Ark was a sort of TARDIS booth.

In other words, the inside of it was larger than the outside.

Scientists recognize some eleven dimensions of space, and note here, where Paul mentions four of them:

Ephesians 3:18 May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;

Notice also:

Revelation 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

How many people can you fit under an altar at church?

 

[BNR32FAN]

That has nothing to do with my post.

yes it does you just don’t want to admit it. Your statement suggested that a belief is not a fact my point is that it can be.

 

[Astrid]

I think a lot of folks forget the bible is not a science book. It did not impart 24th century knowledge on ancient people. It's not about that. I like to ask YEC's how much time passed between the beginning of the first day, Genesis 1:3, and what comes before it.

I kinda see it this way: When the bible speaks of the heavens and the earth, It is generally talking about the sky and the SURFACE of the earth. So bear with me on this:

It can be a practice in art where someone creates a painting on canvas and then whitewashes it and creates another painting on it. This can happen several times. If you then carefully peel back the paint, you can see the painting below the exposed one. You can then continue to see earlier and earlier paintings.

So, the canvas is the surface of the earth, and the current painting we see is "6,000" years old, but if you peel it back, you see the previous paintings. You see fossils from previous paintings, the Cambrian explosion, mass extinctions, etc. And each of these paintings is called an "age".

So, the earth is VERY old and a LOT of time passed between Genesis 1:2 and 1:3. There were previous ages. But the current age is roughly 6,000 years old. I've not yet found a bible verse to contradict this, and scientific discovery supports it.

BTW, the next "whitewashing" comes by fire, according to The Revelation of Jesus, and even the sea is burned up, and then the New Jerusalem comes down and Jesus reigns. Solar flare, perhaps?

Please explain the science confirming a 6000 yr old
current age.

 

[Direct Driver]

Please explain the science confirming a 6000 yr old
current age.

It is not a scientific age. It's merely the time period the bible speaks of. It's the "time scope", if you will, the bible discusses. Nothing more.

 

[Astrid]

It is not a scientific age. It's merely the time period the bible speaks of. It's the "time scope", if you will, the bible discusses. Nothing more.

"Scientific discovery supports"

What discovery(ies) do you refer to.

 

[Frank Robert]

My explanation is that the Ark was a sort of TARDIS booth.

In other words, the inside of it was larger than the outside.

Scientists recognize some eleven dimensions of space, and note here, where Paul mentions four of them:

Ephesians 3:18 May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;

Notice also:

Revelation 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

You inadvertently bring up a very good point, any religious belief can be explained with miracles, making it unfalsifiable. You have not given anyone who does not share your religious beliefs and literal interpretation of the bible any reason to consider your points. It is also explains why you have difficulty understanding why they don't consider them.

How many people can you fit under an altar at church?

An omni deity would be able to store the DNA of the entire population of the world under that alter.

 

[VirOptimus]

Sure.

Genesis 6:12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.

F

 

[AV1611VET]

F

Why an eff?

You wanted to know why God sent the Flood, and God said because all flesh was corrupt.

 

[AV1611VET]

You inadvertently bring up a very good point, any religious belief can be explained with miracles, making it unfalsifiable.

That's because science can only go so far, then it hits a [supernatural] boundary it can't pass.

Science can only operate in the realm of the empirical.

Science is myopic.

 

[Direct Driver]

"Scientific discovery supports"

What discovery(ies) do you refer to.

I'll just name one: Fossils over 6,000 years old.

 

[Direct Driver]

That's because science can only go so far, then it hits a [supernatural] boundary it can't pass.

Science can only operate in the realm of the empirical.

Science is myopic.

This one hit me a couple of decades ago:

Science is about how.
Religion is about why.
"Why" is the higher pursuit.

 

[VirOptimus]

Why an eff?

You wanted to know why God sent the Flood, and God said because all flesh was corrupt.

I said using gods/miracles is an autoloss.

 

[VirOptimus]

yes it does you just don’t want to admit it. Your statement suggested that a belief is not a fact my point is that it can be.

You dont seem to understand what belief means.

 

[Direct Driver]

I said using gods/miracles is an autoloss.

Opinions vary. My wife and I are recipients of actual miracles, two of which were healing. And a few spiritual events as well.

Sometimes, telling people about the spiritual realm is like trying to tell a person 5,000 years ago about quarks. He can't imagine it. He can't test it. So it doesn't exist.

 

[BNR32FAN]

You dont seem to understand what belief means.

No I’ve already passed the second grade a long time ago I know exactly what it means. Nothing in the definition of the word implies that a belief can not be a fact. Do you believe the earth rotates around the sun? Does it cease to be a fact simply because you believe it? If Adam believed the earth was a sphere was that not a fact until it was actually proven?

 

[Direct Driver]

No I’ve already passed the second grade a long time ago I know exactly what it means. Nothing in the definition of the word implies that a belief can not be a fact. Do you believe the earth rotates around the sun? Does it cease to be a fact simply because you believe it? If Adam believed the earth was a sphere was that not a fact until it was actually proven?

This is true. There is an interesting connection between belief, faith, and blind faith. Christianity is not based on blind faith. I like to say you can tell how much faith someone has in their brakes by how fast they drive.

And I think belief comes from putting faith to the test. When someone says that if you stick your finger in a socket you will be electrocuted, you may or may not believe it. But if you stick your finger VERY briefly in a socket and you get a serious shock, belief and faith (based on knowledge) increase greatly.

You can say you believe a chair will hold your weight, but if you never sit in it - even when you have the need, you come across as a liar. And when you actually put your faith in action and SIT in the chair and it successfully holds your weight, not only is your faith justified, but it increases dramatically.

Faith needs to be exercised.

 

[AV1611VET]

I said using gods/miracles is an autoloss.

No God, no miracles = no Flood.