The Earth is not 6,000 years old.

[Bungle_Bear]

Which came first, in your opinion? Heaven and Hell ... or the belief in Heaven and Hell?

Belief in Hell demonstrably came before Hell. A simple study of the language used in the bible and how translations and ideas have changed over time shows that Hell is a fairly new invention.

 

[AV1611VET]

Belief in Hell demonstrably came before Hell.

I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one.

And in fact, Jesus spoke more on Hell than anyone else in the Bible.

 

[VirOptimus]

Something doesn’t need to be proven to be a fact. Was the world not a sphere before it was proven to be?

That has nothing to do with my post.

 

[VirOptimus]

Philippians 3:8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,

Quoting scripture to an atheist? How pointless.

 

[VirOptimus]

Which came first, in your opinion? Heaven and Hell ... or the belief in Heaven and Hell?

Heaven and hell are not real, neither exist.

Thats unless you speak about the rather underrated 1980 album by Black Sabbath, that do exist of course.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one.

And in fact, Jesus spoke more on Hell than anyone else in the Bible.

Either you didn't read or you didn't understand my post. Either way, Jesus was way late to the party.

 

[AV1611VET]

Quoting scripture to an atheist? How pointless.

Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

 

[AV1611VET]

Either you didn't read or you didn't understand my post. Either way, Jesus was way late to the party.

Moses wrote about it too.

 

[VirOptimus]

Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

You just cant learn, can you?

 

[AV1611VET]

Based on these two Biblical observations, the earth could very well be extremely old.

So Adam showed up in 4004 BC as the first modern man on Earth?

 

[AV1611VET]

You just can learn, can you?

Yes.

 

[Astrid]

Then you must ask yourself do you believe what scientists claim to be truth or do you believe the word of God?

Nah. The question you must ask yourself:
"Am I infallible?"

 

[Astrid]

Something doesn’t need to be proven to be a fact. Was the world not a sphere before it was proven to be?

A good thing.. imagine! No facts anywhere,
none waiting to be discovered even.
EVERYTHING spinning seemingly out of control!

 

[AV1611VET]

A good thing.. imagine! No facts anywhere,
none waiting to be discovered even.

That's the point.

Facts waiting to be discovered.

As I'm fond of saying to those who demand empirical evidence: keep looking.

Sometimes though, they demand empirical evidence of something that either didn't generate any evidence (the Creation Events), or the evidence was cleaned up (the Flood); but like a well-trained scholar, have to keep demanding.

2 Kings 2:16 And they said unto him, Behold now, there be with thy servants fifty strong men; let them go, we pray thee, and seek thy master: lest peradventure the Spirit of the LORD hath taken him up, and cast him upon some mountain, or into some valley. And he said, Ye shall not send.
17 And when they urged him till he was ashamed, he said, Send. They sent therefore fifty men; and they sought three days, but found him not.

 

[AV1611VET]

There is zero physical evidence of a
Flood,

Except maybe a few white cliffs, meandering streams, and meandering rivers.

... but an abundance of evidence that demonstrates that there was never a world wide flood.

Give me one that I can't explain.

 

[Astrid]

Quoting scripture to an atheist? How pointless.

Pointless maybe, but inadvertently makes a point, no?

Namely, that the quoter of scrip has no argument
to offer other than to claim personal infallibility.

 

[VirOptimus]

Yes.

Edited to cant -doh-.

 

[VirOptimus]

Except maybe a few white cliffs, meandering streams, and meandering rivers.Give me one that I can't explain.

Those arent evidence supporting a worldwide flood.

Miracles/gods are an autoloss as an explanation. Now try to explain why there was an earthwide flood without loosing the debate.

 

[Frank Robert]

Then you must ask yourself do you believe what scientists claim to be truth or do you believe the word of God?

Science has nothing to do with truth as you define truth. Science is only interested in the evidence. The majority of Cristian's have no problem believing in God and affirming scientific evidence. That said, I do understand that some Christians interpret the bible to be the literal word of God but the majority of Christians have a much more nuanced belief in the bible.

 

[Direct Driver]

I'll be posting lines of evidence against a young earth. The first I don't think anyone has noticed before, the long lived Greenland Shark. It reaches maturity at a staggering 150 years of age and has a gestation period of at least 8 years. If more than 38 generations existed, the Earth could not be 6,000 years old. Based on the population, more than 38 generations is all but guaranteed.

I think a lot of folks forget the bible is not a science book. It did not impart 24th century knowledge on ancient people. It's not about that. I like to ask YEC's how much time passed between the beginning of the first day, Genesis 1:3, and what comes before it.

I kinda see it this way: When the bible speaks of the heavens and the earth, It is generally talking about the sky and the SURFACE of the earth. So bear with me on this:

It can be a practice in art where someone creates a painting on canvas and then whitewashes it and creates another painting on it. This can happen several times. If you then carefully peel back the paint, you can see the painting below the exposed one. You can then continue to see earlier and earlier paintings.

So, the canvas is the surface of the earth, and the current painting we see is "6,000" years old, but if you peel it back, you see the previous paintings. You see fossils from previous paintings, the Cambrian explosion, mass extinctions, etc. And each of these paintings is called an "age".

So, the earth is VERY old and a LOT of time passed between Genesis 1:2 and 1:3. There were previous ages. But the current age is roughly 6,000 years old. I've not yet found a bible verse to contradict this, and scientific discovery supports it.

BTW, the next "whitewashing" comes by fire, according to The Revelation of Jesus, and even the sea is burned up, and then the New Jerusalem comes down and Jesus reigns. Solar flare, perhaps?