The Earth is Flat

[Oafman]

We subscribe to Christian websites to try and minimize the damage they are doing to society.

My reasons are less wholesome.

I come here because things regularly written on this forum are absolutely hilarious.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Can you give us examples of these "personal shipwrecks" caused by the packaging of modern education?

Lot's of failure stories involving huge student debt. Nationally it's over $1Trillion, with defaults rising.

Large dropout rates resulting in wasted time and money, degrees in fields that offer no jobs, cultivated elitism that prevents many from seeking 'ordinary' work, knowingly promoting success through higher education to many who don't have ability to learn at that level.

It's a humorous irony that higher education is promoted to the masses 'so they won't have to work at McDonald's, and that so many university graduates wind up working there anyway.

Of course the biggest failure is the deliberate deprecation of labor, even skilled labor, which is viewed with absolute disdain by 'higher' education.

Eliminate these weaknesses and we might have a pretty good system.

 

[Split Rock]

Lot's of failure stories involving huge student debt. Nationally it's over $1Trillion, with defaults rising.

Large dropout rates resulting in wasted time and money, degrees in fields that offer no jobs, cultivated elitism that prevents many from seeking 'ordinary' work, knowingly promoting success through higher education to many who don't have ability to learn at that level.

It's a humorous irony that higher education is promoted to the masses 'so they won't have to work at McDonald's, and that so many university graduates wind up working there anyway.

Of course the biggest failure is the deliberate deprecation of labor, even skilled labor, which is viewed with absolute disdain by 'higher' education.

Eliminate these weaknesses and we might have a pretty good system.

I certainly agree that college debt is a big problem in the U.S. Also, colleges and universities are encouraged to graduate as many students as they can, regardless of whether there are going to be jobs for them or not.

I don't agree that universities are responsible for the loss of skilled labor/ manufacturing jobs... those were lost to outsourcing to other countries where labor is cheaper. The reason these types of jobs aren't available in the U.S. is because they are now in China and India. People didn't abandon these jobs because they went to college... they were fired from them. If they wound up in college afterward, or their children did, it was indeed to avoid having to work at a minimum wage job which they can't raise a family on. It's a good example of capitalism at work, not elitism.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I don't agree that universities are responsible for the loss of skilled labor/ manufacturing jobs... those were lost to outsourcing to other countries where labor is cheaper. The reason these types of jobs aren't available in the U.S. is because they are now in China and India. People didn't abandon these jobs because they went to college... they were fired from them. If they wound up in college afterward, or their children did, it was indeed to avoid having to work at a minimum wage job which they can't raise a family on. It's a good example of capitalism at work, not elitism.

I didn't say they were responsible for the loss of these jobs, I said they look down on the working class. There was a time back in the 1960's when the term 'ignorant' was used for those who didn't have a college education. I think it must have been part of the mass marketing of higher education that began at that time.

 

[jacknife]

My reasons are less wholesome.

I come here because things regularly written on this forum are absolutely hilarious.

thats why i came here. found about it on FSTDT.

 

[DerelictJunction]

I didn't say they were responsible for the loss of these jobs, I said they look down on the working class. There was a time back in the 1960's when the term 'ignorant' was used for those who didn't have a college education. I think it must have been part of the mass marketing of higher education that began at that time.

Of course. Capitalism at its best. Make people think that the only way you can succeed is to buy their product. In this case, it's a higher education.
You market it right and you get people to go into debt to buy it.

Not elitism exactly. It's the marketing of elitism.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Of course. Capitalism at its best. Make people think that the only way you can succeed is to buy their product. In this case, it's a higher education.
You market it right and you get people to go into debt to buy it.

Not elitism exactly. It's the marketing of elitism.

The disregard for workers shows up later in our trade policies, written by greedy businesspeople and elitist government officials.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Of course. Capitalism at its best. Make people think that the only way you can succeed is to buy their product. In this case, it's a higher education.
You market it right and you get people to go into debt to buy it.

Not elitism exactly. It's the marketing of elitism.

Slavery - as we are all slaves of the system, being that the government must always borrow money at interest to fund it's own operations. That interest never repayable except by borrowing more money at interest. A continued slavery we don't even know we exist in, the reason for the war with England to begin with if one reads the writings of the founding fathers.

 

[jayem]

Few of us get to have that perspective.

The level of usefulness may be even smaller than the number of observers.

You don't need a perspective from that distance. The next time you're in a plane at 35,000 feet or so, on a clear day, look out the window at the horizon. It's clearly curved. At an obviously greater arc than a 0.01% variation from the horizontal would produce. And no matter where over the earth you are, or whether you're flying north-south, or east-west, the horizon is curved the same way at the same altitude. You can see the proof directly with your own eyes.

 

[SkyWriting]

You don't need a perspective from that distance. The next time you're in a plane at 35,000 feet or so, on a clear day, look out the window at the horizon. It's clearly curved. At an obviously greater arc than a 0.01% variation from the horizontal would produce. And no matter where over the earth you are, or whether you're flying north-south, or east-west, the horizon is curved the same way at the same altitude. You can see the proof directly with your own eyes.

Nope.
You've confused "obviously" with the correct "seemingly."
.0125 is the correct % of change over distance.
1/10th of 1%
That is approximately 8 inches of curve per mile.
Only a few human beings in the world would not call that flat.
Give any person a straight edge, of any length with that much curve
and ask them if it is flat.

 

[pgp_protector]

Nope. .0125 is the correct % of change over distance.
That is approximately 8 inches of curve per mile.
Only a few human beings in the would would not call that flat.

Just measured 4 Inches, their was about 6 inches change in elevation.
Not Flat.

 

[jayem]

Nope.
You've confused "obviously" with the correct "seemingly."
.0125 is the correct % of change over distance.
1/10th of 1%
That is approximately 8 inches of curve per mile.
Only a few human beings in the world would not call that flat.
Give any person a straight edge, of any length with that much curve
and ask them if it is flat.

Not quite sure what you're saying. But when I'm in a plane, I can definitely see the horizon is curved. Why would that be?

Another thing: Ever watch a cruise ship sailing away? If you're on the dock with binocs, you don't see the entire ship get smaller and smaller. You first lose sight of the hull, and then the superstructure, and finally the stack. That would only happen if it's curving away from you.

 

[selfinflikted]

Not quite sure what you're saying. But when I'm in a plane, I can definitely see the horizon is curved. Why would that be?

Another thing: Ever watch a cruise ship sailing away? If you're on the dock with binocs, you don't see the entire ship get smaller and smaller. You first lose sight of the hull, and then the superstructure, and finally the stack. That would only happen if it's curving away from you.

Besides that, we have pictures of the earth from space. Clearly a spheroid. Are we seriously debating this?

 

[SkyWriting]

Just measured 4 Inches, their was about 6 inches change in elevation.
Not Flat.

So extend that ruler out 1 mile on the earth.
If you put an 8 inch block under the end,
then if will be flat and not curved,
like the earth is.

 

[pgp_protector]

So extend that ruler out 1 mile on the earth.
If you put an 8 inch block under the end,
then if will be flat and not curved,
like the earth is.

Even worse.
0.9 Miles, Total Elevation 2,267 Feet Change. Really Really not flat

 

[SkyWriting]

Not quite sure what you're saying. But when I'm in a plane, I can definitely see the horizon is curved. Why would that be? Another thing: Ever watch a cruise ship sailing away? If you're on the dock with binocs, you don't see the entire ship get smaller and smaller. You first lose sight of the hull, and then the superstructure, and finally the stack. That would only happen if it's curving away from you.

Sure, at 8 inches per mile, the ship "sinks" below the horizon.
Supposing you are standing at waters edge, this begins
about 3 miles out "they say."

My point is that if you give a the smartest person you know a piece of land one mile long with a bulge of 8 inches in the middle, they will tell you it is flat....all day long.

 

[SkyWriting]

Even worse.
0.9 Miles, Total Elevation 2,267 Feet Change. Really Really not flat

You are correct that your measurement is not level.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Lot's of failure stories involving huge student debt. Nationally it's over $1Trillion, with defaults rising.

Large dropout rates resulting in wasted time and money, degrees in fields that offer no jobs, cultivated elitism that prevents many from seeking 'ordinary' work, knowingly promoting success through higher education to many who don't have ability to learn at that level.

It's a humorous irony that higher education is promoted to the masses 'so they won't have to work at McDonald's, and that so many university graduates wind up working there anyway.

Of course the biggest failure is the deliberate deprecation of labor, even skilled labor, which is viewed with absolute disdain by 'higher' education.

Eliminate these weaknesses and we might have a pretty good system.

Well, we do have one problem. As the rate of improvement in intelligent machines continues, the day will come when every job humans do now will be done by machines.

There will be no jobs left for people. Robots will farm the land, run our banks and our long haul trucks, create new inventions.

How do we arrange our economy under those conditions?

What will humans do for income?

 

[Cute Tink]

My point is that if you give a the smartest person you know a piece of land one mile long with a bulge of 8 inches in the middle, they will tell you it is flat....all day long.

The bigger a spherical object gets, the flatter it will appear to be at any given location. However, that will not make it any flatter in reality.

 

[pgp_protector]

You are correct that your measurement is not level.

It's neither Flat or Level, I can give you more Data points if you wish.