The Double Message of Eternal Security.

[1stcenturylady]

I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

So you are still in the flesh, Dan? Then you ARE in the law of sin and death. What you read was still how the law worked. The mind had knowledge, but the flesh was still weak. Read on to the next chapter.

8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.

 

[SBC]

I will BOLDLY QUOTE Scripture:

1John.3

1. [9] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

I will BOLDLY CLAIM; The Lord is faithful and quickened my spirit.

I will BOLDLY CLAIM; I am born of God. I have overcome the world.

1John.5

1. [1] Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
2. [4] For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
3. [18] We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not;

I will BOLDLY CLAIM; The Lord is faithful by His Power in me; And whosoever is born of God thus applies to me.

I will BOLDLY CLAIM; I can not commit sin. I can not sin. Because I trust the Lord is faithful and KEEPS me sanctified and holy unto Him.

1John.5

1. [1] Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
2. [4] For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
3. [18] We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not;

Praise and Blessing be to my Holy, AWESOME, Faithful and True Lord and Savior.

God Bless,
SBC

 

[1stcenturylady]

I will BOLDLY QUOTE Scripture:

1John.3

1. [9] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

I will BOLDLY CLAIM; The Lord is faithful and quickened my spirit.

I will BOLDLY CLAIM; I am born of God. I have overcome the world.

1John.5

1. [1] Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
2. [4] For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
3. [18] We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not;

I will BOLDLY CLAIM; The Lord is faithful by His Power in me; And whosoever is born of God thus applies to me.

I will BOLDLY CLAIM; I can not commit sin. I can not sin. Because I trust the Lord is faithful and KEEPS me sanctified and holy unto Him.

1John.5

1. [1] Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
2. [4] For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
3. [18] We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not;

Praise and Blessing be to my Holy, AWESOME, Faithful and True Lord and Savior.

God Bless,
SBC

And why is all this true? Because of the wonderful gift Jesus has given His own. His Spirit. "But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His."

 

[SBC]

That is the first time I heard the definition of we not applying to oneself and his audience.
John is definitely saying if he or any of us say this, than Christ is not in us.

In Christ
Daniel

"we" is suggestive; "not" conclusive, in many scriptures; and why I went step by step through 1 John 1.

It is paramount to commonly understand the construct of scripture as well the specific construct of law.

Scripture is knowledge revealed to, for and applicable to ALL men.
Scripture is knowledge revealed of WHAT applies to God and WHAT applies to men.

When knowledge is given, but not yet fulfilled, regarding God, WE WAIT, for when it IS fulfilled; Once fulfilled, that fulfillment is accomplished. Finished!

When knowledge is given, regarding men; Each individual man; is suppose to discover what is required to be accomplished , and decide IF he chooses to fulfill what is required.
Once a man fulfills what is required; that fulfillment is accomplished; and thus the result applies to him.

Regarding the construct of Law. The Law is given in what is called "the POSITIVE".

Meaning....IF thou SHALL....thou SHALL...thou SHALL NOT...etc.

They are POSITIVE directives.

Don't, stop it, quit it, etc. are NEGATIVE directives.

Much of scripture speaks in the POSITIVE ~ to ALL ~ newbies, believers, faithful, unsure, rejectors, etc.

A general term when speaking to a crowd; (preaching, teaching,) is common, (unless you are Jesus Christ Himself who knows all things) that the crowd will be a mix of newbies, believers, faithful, unsure, rejectors, etc.

The speaker using the term "WE", is simply a projection of the "speakers" position; AND
the speaker's speech suggesting that the "crowd" will listen, follow along and CHOOSE to be "included" "WE" in faith, as the speaker is.

And also why; continuously the scripture gives additional scripture "separating" the We "IN" faith, apart from "We" listening, but "NOT IN" faith yet.

It's the same concept that parents can use; when one of their children is miss-behaving, toward another of their children. On one hand; No problem to punish the one. However on the other hand; for both children POSITIVE (rules, which are family laws, requiring no act of Congress); should be reinforced; which is done POSITIVELY ~ to both children; "We are behaving and loving little children one to the other."

The WE is suggestive, because the fact is; ONE just proved they aren't.

The WE is a projection of reminding the little minds of an expectation for their little minds to dwell on. It is not the punitive part....but rather the POSITIVE part.

Point being "we" does not always carry the same meaning of who it is applying to.

Another example is Jesus' teaching. Disciples would go about announcing Jesus would be speaking at a certain place. Those who wanted to hear, would go an listen.

There was no poll, to see who in the crowd believed, or didn't. The crowd was mixed with all kinds of people, with all kinds of beliefs. And Jesus spoke to the WHOLE crowd, with ONE speech. His teaching was in the style of a Parable. Story style.

Of the crowd listening ~ some thought Jesus words were;
astounding -
others thought - ridiculous and rejected it
others thought - true but not sure of the understanding
others thought - kind of true, but would be better if they tweeked it a bit with their words and "their" understanding.

Nothing has changed - and for the most part as I've have witnessed ~ sadly a great number of men calling themselves Christians....project the mindset of Jesus' teachings would be better if they tweeked it a bit with their words and "their" understanding.

Point being ~ while Jesus spoke to the WHOLE crowd with one speech; He was very clear, of the division of the listeners. And the "WE" always applies to "those" IN FAITH, submitted in true faith. Not the "WE" who change His words, or don't believe His words.

God Bless,
SBC

 

[SBC]

And why is all this true? Because of the wonderful gift Jesus has given His own. His Spirit. "But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His."

Precisely! Amen!

God Bless,
SBC

 

[ToBeLoved]

If you actually quote a scripture, you will see that the context, is He speaking specifically about His disciples that followed Him.

39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”
John 6:39-40


This includes Judas Iscariot:

12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept; and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled.
John 17:12


Yes, the Fathers will is that none should perish, but all come to repentance.

The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.2 Peter 3:9


Will some perish? Yes



JLB

Your wrong about Judas. He is the son of perdition in that verse.

 

[1stcenturylady]

If you actually quote a scripture, you will see that the context, is He speaking specifically about His disciples that followed Him.

39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”
John 6:39-40


This includes Judas Iscariot:

12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept; and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled.
John 17:12


Yes, the Fathers will is that none should perish, but all come to repentance.

The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.2 Peter 3:9


Will some perish? Yes



JLB

What do you think would have happened to Judas' soul if he had not killed himself? It seems to me he repented; he gave back the money. Could his sin have been forgiven?

 

[stuart lawrence]

Well that's funny. You said you blocked me. And my being here is a waste.
And now you want a response from me? Is this comedy central?



Why not look and see if I made such claims. If I had, they would be in plain sight for you to read, and thus you would have no reason to wonder if I made such claims.

You attempting to take my words boldly claiming one thing, and pretend your words have anything whatsoever to do with me pertaining to another thing, or that I am required to even address your words, in relationship to me is nonsense.



No, you don't know obviously. There was no deflection. I speak for myself and make my own claims. I am not obligated to answer you concerning anything you imply for me then want me to answer.

Again, IF you are wondering what I BOLDLY claim, then wait and read what I say.

But who knows, wishy washy mind do wishy washy things. Blocking then whining and accusing for not sending a response to you, about me, for something I never mentioned.

According to your logic;
Why not send a letter to me at an address I use to have and lodge your complaints and accusations?

God Bless,
SBC

So you claim you have no sin in you.
Here's some advice:

The measure you use to judge others will be used to judge you
Matt7:2

So if you want to proclaim you are without sin and only those without sin can be saved, if you are not without sin you condemn yourself don't you.
Are you concerned about that? Probably not

 

[stuart lawrence]

As someone once said;
"These sites are perfect for people who just want to reel off the letter of scripture and make pat statements that have no bearing on the reality of their own lives."

! Sometimes mirrors are a handy tool.

You don't understand the message contained in the letter. You can only reel off the letter itself.
People who don't even know God can do that!!

 

[stuart lawrence]

Could istcenturylady or SBC QUOTE a scripture that states.


Unless you perform perfect God will immediately threaten you with hell.

 

[ToBeLoved]

What do you think would have happened to Judas' soul if he had not killed himself? It seems to me he repented; he gave back the money. Could his sin have been forgiven?

Nope. Because the Bible tells us how that one ended.

 

[Dan61861]

For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
7If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
9Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

I wonder if God chastens the sinless ones, If they do not sin there is no need for chastisement. Yet, if they are without chastisement, they are not sons.

God chastises you because you sin, you are His sons.
God doesn't chastise you because you do not sin, you are not His son.

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

In Christ
Daniel

 

[stuart lawrence]

Your choice to remain afraid; doesn't affect me.

God Bless,
SBC

I'm not afraid.
But keep deflecting. It proves much

 

[1stcenturylady]

Nope. Because the Bible tells us how that one ended.

It was a what if question. Remember Peter denied Christ three times and repented. But he didn't kill himself.

 

[stuart lawrence]

The only one I see writing those words IS YOU.
Since you keep repeating YOUR WORDS, I will presume you are now commenting on YOUR WORDS, and their dumbing down affect.

One man show.

God Bless,
SBC

You believe a Christian remains justified/ righteous before God if they don't commit sin, correct?

Can you answer that question?

 

[1stcenturylady]

You believe a Christian remains justified/ righteous before God if they don't commit sin, correct?

Can you answer that question?

He's already answered that question. He said"

I will BOLDLY QUOTE Scripture:

1John.3

1. [9] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

I will BOLDLY CLAIM; The Lord is faithful and quickened my spirit.

I will BOLDLY CLAIM; I am born of God. I have overcome the world.

1John.5

1. [1] Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
2. [4] For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
3. [18] We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not;

I will BOLDLY CLAIM; The Lord is faithful by His Power in me; And whosoever is born of God thus applies to me.

I will BOLDLY CLAIM; I can not commit sin. I can not sin. Because I trust the Lord is faithful and KEEPS me sanctified and holy unto Him.

1John.5

1. [1] Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
2. [4] For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
3. [18] We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not;

Praise and Blessing be to my Holy, AWESOME, Faithful and True Lord and Savior.

God Bless,
SBC"


I understand what he's saying, but do you?

 

[stuart lawrence]

He's already answered that question. He said"

I will BOLDLY QUOTE Scripture:

1John.3

1. [9] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

I will BOLDLY CLAIM; The Lord is faithful and quickened my spirit.

I will BOLDLY CLAIM; I am born of God. I have overcome the world.

1John.5

1. [1] Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
2. [4] For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
3. [18] We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not;

I will BOLDLY CLAIM; The Lord is faithful by His Power in me; And whosoever is born of God thus applies to me.

I will BOLDLY CLAIM; I can not commit sin. I can not sin. Because I trust the Lord is faithful and KEEPS me sanctified and holy unto Him.

1John.5

1. [1] Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
2. [4] For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
3. [18] We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not;

Praise and Blessing be to my Holy, AWESOME, Faithful and True Lord and Savior.

God Bless,
SBC

OK
So you and SBC believe a person can only be righteous/ justified before God if they don't commit sin.

Sin is the transgression of the law 1,john3:4

Therefore, both of you believe in order to be righteous before God you must faultlessly observe the law.

You are both in direct opposition to Pauls core message

 

[1stcenturylady]

Absolutely. Anyone who claims to have no sin has to dumb the law of God down from its pristine level to actually believe that.
Paul states:
The letter kills( present tense)

Yes, the letter kills, but you don't live by the law of the Spirit either, thus no law at all, right? That's what you believe is the gospel Paul preaches. Wrong!

 

[SBC]

THAT IS YOUR FALSE TESTIMONY!

And it is proved false by the evidence, in the post I made, with the Scripture (letter itself) and my comments.

You know, the very post you said you didn't read, because it was too LONG...!

And then you make a false accusatory comment about what you didn't even read.

Good grief...what nonsense!


You just proved me right. You couldn't explain the scripture I asked you a question concerning. If you could you would.
It isn't enough to just quote the letter, the Pharisees did that, but they did not understand the true message the letter contained

If that is "right" in your books...whatever. lol

Again - your bully tactics are becoming less comical and more disturbing.

Have you had a medical checkup lately?

Grab a dictionary and learn the difference between "can't" "couldn't" and "won't".
Then maybe you will stop falsely testifying!
But doesn't appear likely.

God Bless,
SBC

 

[1stcenturylady]

OK
So you and SBC believe a person can only be righteous/ justified before God if they don't commit sin.

Sin is the transgression of the law 1,john3:4

Therefore, both of you believe in order to be righteous before God you must faultlessly observe the law.

You are both in direct opposition to Pauls core message

Wrong, if you had a clue to the law of the Spirit you would understand, but you don't live it either. To you NO LAW is what you believe.