The Double Message of Eternal Security.

[SBC]

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

In Christ
Daniel

Thing is Daniel....I have not seen ONE PERSON make that claim for themselves.

Nor have I seen ONE PERSON make that claim FOR ANOTHER, with the OTHERS quote saying that.

Have you?

God Bless,
SBC

 

[SBC]

No apology, just keep repeating the same lie whilst the lady repeatedly states she does not commit sin.
Oh the hypocrisy

Nope, no hypocrisy!

Men who become"BORN AGAIN", can not commit sin, according to Scripture.

Nothing whatsoever says YOU have to believe Scripture, however some people do believe Scripture.

Scripture teaches HOW a man becomes born again, however some people never exercise their right to become born again. Their choice.

Just because that scripture does not apply to you; no need to get all huffy because it applies to someone else, and they trust to believe it, and boldly claim it.



God Bless,
SBC

 

[stuart lawrence]

Nope, no hypocrisy!

Men who become"BORN AGAIN", can not commit sin, according to Scripture.

Nothing whatsoever says YOU have to believe Scripture, however some people do believe Scripture.

Scripture teaches HOW a man becomes born again, however some people never exercise their right to become born again. Their choice.

Just because that scripture does not apply to you; no need to get all huffy because it applies to someone else, and they trust to believe it, and boldly claim it.



God Bless,
SBC

If you commit sin you fail to observe the law.
So you believe you must faultlessly observe the law to be righteous before God.
You see, you are now in direct opposition to Pauls gospel message

 

[ToBeLoved]

Thing is Daniel....I have not seen ONE PERSON make that claim for themselves.

Nor have I seen ONE PERSON make that claim FOR ANOTHER, with the OTHERS quote saying that.

Have you?

God Bless,
SBC

But what you are in essence saying is that you sinned in the past. Got saved and now don't sin any more.

 

[SBC]

Oh I proved what I said to you. Your silence proved it when you were asked questions. You couldn't answer any

Bully tactics are a fail.
You should expect silence from foolish questions.... well IF you believe scripture!

2Tim.2

1. [23] But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.

 

[stuart lawrence]

Bully tactics are a fail.
You should expect silence from foolish questions.... well IF you believe scripture!

2Tim.2

1. [23] But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.

I understand completely.
Someone who does not know as much as they think they know can only ask questions, never answer any

 

[ToBeLoved]

Nope, no hypocrisy!

Men who become"BORN AGAIN", can not commit sin, according to Scripture.

Nothing whatsoever says YOU have to believe Scripture, however some people do believe Scripture.

Scripture teaches HOW a man becomes born again, however some people never exercise their right to become born again. Their choice.

Just because that scripture does not apply to you; no need to get all huffy because it applies to someone else, and they trust to believe it, and boldly claim it.



God Bless,
SBC

Ok. I'll bite.

So if no one who is born again ever sins again, why does Jesus Christ ask us to repent (repent of what? If you no sin, you no repent) and forgive sin at all after the point of time we are saved?

Under your theology, there is no need for the Apostles, just save people and the world is perfect. So how come it's not then? How come Christ says that "He is fair and just to forgive all sin and CLEANSE us of all unrighteousness". So what's up with that?

Forgiveness of sin and repentance in your world view are a mute point. Yet Jesus is all up in repentance and forgiveness. And His apostles He left to start His church.

So your statement cancels out all the forgiveness after salvation because we don't need forgiveness after salvation. No sin , no problem.

 

[SBC]

If you commit sin you fail to observe the law.
So you believe you must faultlessly observe the law to be righteous before God.
You see, you are now in direct opposition to Pauls gospel message

LOL...come on man, get real.

"IF" I commit sin, I fail to observe the Law?

ding, ding, ding HOW many times do you have to be told? I do not commit sin.

So you believe you must faultlessly observe the law to be righteous before God.

I didn't say that!

You see, you are now in direct opposition to Pauls gospel message

LOL


Since you are such a words of art kind of guy, why not let's talk about you for awhile?
Why don't you claim your beliefs, and see if I ignore what you say and make up things and claim it is your belief?

At least we can then both play the game you're playing.

God Bless,
SBC

 

[stuart lawrence]

But what you are in essence saying is that you sinned in the past. Got saved and now don't sin any more.

I think he is trying to backtrac

LOL...come on man, get real.

"IF" I commit sin, I fail to observe the Law?

ding, ding, ding HOW many times do you have to be told? I do not commit sin.




I didn't say that!



LOL


Since you are such a words of art kind of guy, why not let's talk about you for awhile?
Why don't you claim your beliefs, and see if I ignore what you say and make up things and claim it is your belief?

At least we can then both play the game you're playing.

God Bless,
SBC

Pure deflection. From what I am seeing you appear unable to do anything apart from reel off the letter.
You believe a person can only be born again if they do not commit sin. Sin, according to the Bible is failing to observe the law/ transgression of the law
Therefore you believe you must faultlessly observe the law to be righteous/ justified before God.
It really doesn't do you know, only being able to quote the letter. You end up in a muddle

 

[stuart lawrence]

Ok. I'll bite.

So if no one who is born again ever sins again, why does Jesus Christ ask us to repent (repent of what? If you no sin, you no repent) and forgive sin at all after the point of time we are saved?

Under your theology, there is no need for the Apostles, just save people and the world is perfect. So how come it's not then? How come Christ says that "He is fair and just to forgive all sin and CLEANSE us of all unrighteousness". So what's up with that?

Forgiveness of sin and repentance in your world view are a mute point. Yet Jesus is all up in repentance and forgiveness. And His apostles He left to start His church.

So your statement cancels out all the forgiveness after salvation because we don't need forgiveness after salvation. No sin , no problem.

I hope he answers your question. He won't answer any of mine

 

[SBC]

Ok. I'll bite.

So if no one who is born again ever sins again, why does Jesus Christ ask us to repent (repent of what? If you no sin, you no repent) and forgive sin at all after the point of time we are saved?

Under your theology, there is no need for the Apostles, just save people and the world is perfect. So how come it's not then? How come Christ says that "He is fair and just to forgive all sin and CLEANSE us of all unrighteousness". So what's up with that?

Forgiveness of sin and repentance in your world view are a mute point. Yet Jesus is all up in repentance and forgiveness. And His apostles He left to start His church.

So your statement cancels out all the forgiveness after salvation because we don't need forgiveness after salvation. No sin , no problem.

~ You have quoted nothing I've said.

God Bless,
SBC

 

[SBC]

But what you are in essence saying is that you sinned in the past. Got saved and now don't sin any more.

What I said was, I am born of God, because I am saved and born again.

And Scripture proclaims one born of God, does not sin, can not commit sin, sinneths not.

Don't you agree with scripture? I do.

1John.3

1. [9] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1 John 5

[18] We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

 

[stuart lawrence]

What I said was, I am born of God, because I am saved and born again.

And Scripture proclaims one born of God, does not sin, can not commit sin, sinneths not.

Don't you agree with scripture? I do.

1John.3

1. [9] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God

Sin is the transgression of the law
1john 3:4

Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law, rather through the law we become conscious of sin
Rom3:20

You may not be able to follow this.
But if your understanding is correct, John and Paul contradict each other.

Or your understanding is wrong, and they dont

 

[SBC]

I think he is trying to backtrac

Pure deflection. From what I am seeing you appear unable to do anything apart from reel off the letter.
You believe a person can only be born again if they do not commit sin.

LIE.

Sin, according to the Bible is failing to observe the law/ transgression of the law

Half truth.

Therefore you believe you must faultlessly observe the law to be righteous/ justified before God.

LIE.

It really doesn't do you know, only being able to quote the letter. You end up in a muddle

What is wrong with you? Blabbing on and on what you THINK I believe, what you THINK I can and can not do; is a load of nonsense.

Why not relieve yourself from being a false testifier and playing ignorant little games and learn to use the quote feature?

Child's play. BORING!

 

[stuart lawrence]

What I said was, I am born of God, because I am saved and born again.

And Scripture proclaims one born of God, does not sin, can not commit sin, sinneths not.

Don't you agree with scripture? I do.

1John.3

1. [9] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1 John 5

[18] We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

If while we seek to be justified in Christ it becomes EVIDENT that we oursrlves are SINNERS, does this mean that Christ promotes sin? Absolutely not! If I rebuild what I destroyed I prove I am a lawbreaker
Gal2:16&17

Your understanding is leading you into a lot of trouble with Pauls message isn't it!

 

[stuart lawrence]

What is wrong with you? Blabbing on and on what you THINK I believe, what you THINK I can and can not do; is a load of nonsense.

Why not relieve yourself from being a false testifier and playing ignorant little games and learn to use the quote feature?

Child's play. BORING!

So now are you going to backtrack in stating a born again christian does not commit sin?
You are all over the place here aren't you.
I bet you didn't understand before today if you observe the law you do not commit sin, if you fail to observe the law you do commit sin.

You need to progress in understanding, badly

 

[SBC]

Sin is the transgression of the law

Sin is the transgression of the law
Sin is the transgression of the law
Sin is the transgression of the law
Sin is the transgression of the law
Sin is the transgression of the law
Sin is the transgression of the law
Sin is the transgression of the law

So?

Do you sin?
Do you sin?
Do you sin?

huh? huh? huh? huh?

tell us, tell us, tell us....

Which law did you transgress?
Which law did you transgress?
Which law did you transgress?
Which law did you transgress?

tell us, tell us, tell us.....

 

[stuart lawrence]

Sin is the transgression of the law
Sin is the transgression of the law
Sin is the transgression of the law
Sin is the transgression of the law
Sin is the transgression of the law
Sin is the transgression of the law
Sin is the transgression of the law

So?

Do you sin?
Do you sin?
Do you sin?

huh? huh? huh? huh?

tell us, tell us, tell us....

Which law did you transgress?
Which law did you transgress?
Which law did you transgress?
Which law did you transgress?

tell us, tell us, tell us.....

You know, even Jason and istcenturylady attempt better responses than you can muster up.

 

[SBC]

If while we seek to be justified in Christ it becomes EVIDENT that we oursrlves are SINNERS, does this mean that Christ promotes sin? Absolutely not! If I rebuild what I destroyed I prove I am a lawbreaker
Gal2:16&17

Your understanding is leading you into a lot of trouble with Pauls message isn't it!

Uh....I don't seek to be justified in Christ. So, wrong again, Paul's message does not apply to me.

Once again, you FAIL to comprehend what is already accomplish is not something "hoped for".

 

[SBC]

You know, even Jason and istcenturylady attempt better responses than you can muster up.

Answer, answer the questions. Oh right you CAN'T! LOL