The Double Message of Eternal Security.

[1stcenturylady]

You have to ignore it don't you and carry blindly on.
If God imputes sin to the believer, they MUST, MUST, MUST live under a righteousness of observing the law.
That is a plain fact. Your response shows you have to ignore the spiritual reality for you are blinded to it

You are ignoring any scripture that conflicts with your beliefs. Amazing.

Good night.

 

[Dan61861]

Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?

This is why we rest in Christ, when we do sin He is faithful to forgive our sin. I don't look to myself, I look to Christ and Him crucified always. In Him I am washed clean.

In Christ
Daniel

 

[1stcenturylady]

This is why we rest in Christ, when we do sin He is faithful to forgive our sin. I don't look to myself, I look to Christ and Him crucified always. In Him I am washed clean.

In Christ
Daniel

Romans 6 says, why sin in the first place. So why?

 

[stuart lawrence]

You are ignoring any scripture that conflicts with your beliefs. Amazing.

Good night.

You are a very good example sadly of the blindness of many evangelicals to the fundamental truths of the NC regarding justification

Until you can understand the basics, everything else you think you understand you cannot properly understand. Hence your false accusations

 

[stuart lawrence]

Pentecostals/ evangelicals will, proudly tell you they stand on the Bible. It is inerrant, their bottom line. They believe they more resolutely follow it than any other people's who go to church. Yet many of them believe God imputes sin to the believer. They do this, despite Pauls core message that he relentlessness states. The Christian has no righteousness if observing the law. Only if you are under a righteousness of observing the law can sin be imputed to you
They are blinded to the core message of the person who wrote half the books of the NT

 

[stuart lawrence]

It's called misdirected zeal. Paul said many suffered from that in his letter to the romans

 

[Dan61861]

Romans 6 says, why sin in the first place. So why?

I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

 

[Dan61861]

It is sad, not to many understand this....And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

In Christ
Daniel

 

[SBC]

Yes, John is addressing us...the believers. He is telling us how to identify the wolves among the sheep. John is saying If a believer says this, he truly isn't a believer. Later John identifies them as the anti-christ spirit.

If a believer has faith that Christ died for them than that believer is not under the Law. He is walking in Christ, in the Spirit, he is walking in faith. Yet when this believer does sin, he prays to Christ who is faithful to forgive him.

If one is a believer in Christ, yet he than turns to the Law to find righteousness. Christ sacrifice becomes to no effect for such a man. His faith was weak. He didn't trust that Jesus has died for all of his sins. He is finding righteousness where there is no righteousness, in himself. This is when a man is willfully sinning. He has made the cross of Christ into nothingness.

In Christ
Daniel

My point is:
Without Gods understanding a man arrives at their own carnal understanding;
then attempts to project and apply their understanding upon another.

The world is full of men at different points in their lives; from new babes, having never heard; to having heard, but not believing; from having heard, believing then rejecting; to believing and remaining in belief; to believing and submitting;
and other scenarios in between.

Scripture is FULL of knowledge; that "IF" a man does "THIS"; "THEN" a man can expect "THIS" to be the result of his choices.

I know the knowledge revealed of the "IF's" "this" is my choice; then "this" shall apply to me. And I trust God is "faithful" that "what He says" shall be.

I know what I have chosen; and thus I have NO issues claiming I trust God in what "He says is applicable to me".

For some stranger to have a hissy fit because of what I claim "for myself"; and such stranger attempts to pretend he has authority to "apply" to me; things that do not apply to me; it the height of displayed ignorance.

Yes, John is addressing us...the believers.

The Gospel according to John being discussed was specifically; 1 John 1:8

A single verse; that apparently some believe "applies to ALL men", for all time.

Point being: initially, since ALL men are born "IN SIN", that does apply initially to ALL men.

Point being: God has provided a WAY, called Christ Jesus, to overcome that application;
and allow His Power to "overcome" that applying to a faithful man.

WHEN a "faithful man" "overcomes"; THAT particular verse become moot in applicability to such man.

The whole point of gaining Knowledge is for a man WHO BELIEVES and DESIRES God to be with them; IS specifically for them to OVERCOME their natural born corrupt state of being!

And IF and WHEN they do overcome ~ what affects and applies to one who HAS NOT overcome, no longer applies to the one who DID OVERCOME.

Many claim to be dead in Christ, saved, born again ~ while STILL claiming they SIN!
AND further dictate the same who have become dead in Christ, saved, born again, ALSO STILL SIN!

That is direct CONTRAST to Scriptural teaching ~
1) to claim that for themselves ~ eh, individuals are allowed to be ignorant and without understanding.
2) to claim that for other ~ IS, also their ignorance of pretending they KNOW an others heart, which is not scriptural, and false testimony.

I am well aware of WHAT is required via Gods WAY, for a natural man to overcome his own natural state, to becoming, satisfactory (according to God), sanctified and in permanent and forever standing WITH God.

I can TELL an other; that in my heart; that is what I have accomplished; and trust the Lord is faithful and accomplished IN ME, what He said He would;

And? For a "supposed" claimed long time Christian believer; to say to me; what I believe is NOT POSSIBLE; and they attempting to teach the Word of God is without effect and the POWER of God is for naught. is the height of ignorance; and hypocrisy.

1 John 1: IF you read carefully has specific applications to many DIFFERENT men; (not only believers), thus applications do not apply to ALL men. And if one is to tired of reading or studying to simply understand the words of what applies to whom, there is no reason for me to believe, they are diligent to further understanding the words meaning.

1 John 1:8
[8] If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

Yes, John is addressing us...the believers.

Does this APPLY to YOU?

1 John 1:8
[8] If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

Because for me; THAT DID at one time apply to me; But since; I fulfilled 1 John 1:9,
1 John 1:8 no longer applies to me.

1 John 1:9
[9] If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Get it?


God Bless,
SBC

 

[Dan61861]

My point is:
Without Gods understanding a man arrives at their own carnal understanding;
then attempts to project and apply their understanding upon another.

The world is full of men at different points in their lives; from new babes, having never heard; to having heard, but not believing; from having heard, believing then rejecting; to believing and remaining in belief; to believing and submitting;
and other scenarios in between.

Scripture is FULL of knowledge; that "IF" a man does "THIS"; "THEN" a man can expect "THIS" to be the result of his choices.

I know the knowledge revealed of the "IF's" "this" is my choice; then "this" shall apply to me. And I trust God is "faithful" that "what He says" shall be.

I know what I have chosen; and thus I have NO issues claiming I trust God in what "He says is applicable to me".

For some stranger to have a hissy fit because of what I claim "for myself"; and such stranger attempts to pretend he has authority to "apply" to me; things that do not apply to me; it the height of displayed ignorance.



The Gospel according to John being discussed was specifically; 1 John 1:8

A single verse; that apparently some believe "applies to ALL men", for all time.

Point being: initially, since ALL men are born "IN SIN", that does apply initially to ALL men.

Point being: God has provided a WAY, called Christ Jesus, to overcome that application;
and allow His Power to "overcome" that applying to a faithful man.

WHEN a "faithful man" "overcomes"; THAT particular verse become moot in applicability to such man.

The whole point of gaining Knowledge is for a man WHO BELIEVES and DESIRES God to be with them; IS specifically for them to OVERCOME their natural born corrupt state of being!

And IF and WHEN they do overcome ~ what affects and applies to one who HAS NOT overcome, no longer applies to the one who DID OVERCOME.

Many claim to be dead in Christ, saved, born again ~ while STILL claiming they SIN!
AND further dictate the same who have become dead in Christ, saved, born again, ALSO STILL SIN!

That is direct CONTRAST to Scriptural teaching ~
1) to claim that for themselves ~ eh, individuals are allowed to be ignorant and without understanding.
2) to claim that for other ~ IS, also their ignorance of pretending they KNOW an others heart, which is not scriptural, and false testimony.

I am well aware of WHAT is required via Gods WAY, for a natural man to overcome his own natural state, to becoming, satisfactory (according to God), sanctified and in permanent and forever standing WITH God.

I can TELL an other; that in my heart; that is what I have accomplished; and trust the Lord is faithful and accomplished IN ME, what He said He would;

And? For a "supposed" claimed long time Christian believer; to say to me; what I believe is NOT POSSIBLE; and they attempting to teach the Word of God is without effect and the POWER of God is for naught. is the height of ignorance; and hypocrisy.

1 John 1: IF you read carefully has specific applications to many DIFFERENT men; (not only believers), thus applications do not apply to ALL men. And if one is to tired of reading or studying to simply understand the words of what applies to whom, there is no reason for me to believe, they are diligent to further understanding the words meaning.

1 John 1:8
[8] If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.



Does this APPLY to YOU?

1 John 1:8
[8] If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

Because for me; THAT DID at one time apply to me; But since; I fulfilled 1 John 1:9,
1 John 1:8 no longer applies to me.

1 John 1:9
[9] If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Get it?


God Bless,
SBC

I do think I know where you are coming from. I am as clean today as I was the day Christ washed away all of my sin. I am born again, under grace and not the law. I cannot sin, not because I do not sin but because I am no longer under the Law. God no longer imputes sin onto me. I am in Christ, He has washed me white as snow. We definitely have liberty in Christ, yet we are not to use it maliciously...Amen.

John was saying if he or us claimed we do not sin, than Christ is not in us. This does apply to us. It is why he follows it up with If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. Christ is our advocate with the Father, if we do fall. A just (we are just in Christ) man falls seven times. We live by God's grace, in faith in Christ.

Yet we know, we are in Christ...there is no condemnations in us. Not because of what we do, or what we don't do. But because of Christ and His passion towards us. We, as Christians look to Christ for our righteousness...we do not look to ourselves. Christ alone has defeated sin, Christ alone is sinless. He fulfilled the Law for us.

What we are arguing against here is finding righteousness in our flesh by obeying the Law, with Christ thrown in. Jason, the one you have been talking to in the Noah thread has said...Christ was our initial salvation. We now have to do our part and not sin to be saved. If any man adds anything to God's grace, Christ and His Passion, ...that man has made Christ's sacrifice nothing.

In Christ, God Bless my friend.
Daniel

 

[SBC]

stuartlawrence said: If we claim to be without sin we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us
1john1:8

Well It's too bad that verse still lingers as you claiming it applies to you.
Because IF the following VERSE actually applied to you (as it does me)
~ you would have discovered ~
1 John 1:8 would no longer apply to you.

1 John 1: 9
[9] If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

I grow weary of people who robotically reel off the partial letter of scripture from their heads without being able to discern the spiritual message, or truth contained in the letter.
They are deceived, the truth is not in them

The deceived are those WHO do not believe.

The deceivers are those WHO "claim" to believe, "claim" the power of God dwells within them; WHILE TEACHING; Gods power is insufficient; and they are NOT "really" a new life holy unto God; but rather the SAME OLD sinner, as they always were.

Jws, Mormons and Muslims can reel off the letter of selective scrupture, and frequently do to claim their beliefs are correct.

So? So do you. Problem is; you attempt to dictate which scriptures apply to others.
And your dictating is based on YOUR limited understanding.

It is obvious you are without basic understanding of the construct of Scripture.
While Scripture is inclusive in application to ALL natural men.
ALL Scripture DOES NOT "apply" to ALL individual men.
And when an "individual" man submits unto the Lord, to receive His "reconciliation changes";
What once applied to them when they were NOT reconciled unto the Lord ~
NO LONGER APPLIES!

You are teaching the complete opposite.
You are teaching the Lords own works of Him reconciling a man unto Him ~ changes nothing!

Im putting you on ignore. I have more worthwhile things to do than read the posts of someone deceived, who doesn't have the truth in them. I will leave you to plague others with your delusions

No problem. You have been crystal clear you have no time to hear the truth, or desire to understand beyond the satisfaction of what your mind has concluded for 40 years.

A little note of wisdom. Gods reconciliation of a man unto Him, does not include God giving man a NEW MIND. His changes are specific to the heart, soul, spirit and body of a man. It's the mans JOB to submit their MIND, to that which God DOES CHANGE!

And since mans MIND is wishy washy and constantly changing; a man who IS reconciled unto God needs to daily keep his MIND subjected to WHAT God DOES change within a man; ie the Thoughts in His Heart, fed to Him by the Spirit of God within the man!

Rom.12

1. [2] And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

2Cor.4

1. [16] For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.

Of course that only applies; IF a man learns what is expected, and then acts accordingly.

Not a secret MANY are taught to believe, have faith, and the Holy Spirit will enter and cleanse you......but awe, additionally taught "in reality", you are not "really cleansed", and Gods power in you is not "really sufficient" ....because you continue to sin....and
continue to KEEP your carnal minds understanding. Sad, sad, sad. Oxymoron teaching.

Scriptural wisdom;

Rom.8
[7] ... the carnal mind is enmity against God:

God Bless,
SBC

 

[JLB777]

This is completely and utterly wrong.

A man that walks after the flesh is not a believer.

A believer is one who believes the Gospel, he has faith that Christ has done all for him. He walks in the Holy Spirit, in the faith that by God's grace,

If he sins, he prays to Christ who is faithful to forgive him. A just man falls seven (innumerable) times.

In Christ
Daniel

7 Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. 8 For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life. Galatians 6:7-8

in faith in Christ he has eternal life.

Yes eternal life by faith in Christ.

Which means you have the hope of eternal life; the hope of inheriting eternal life.

If you have faith in Christ for eternal life, then you have the hope of eternal life, since faith is the substance of the thing you are hoping for.

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1


that having been justified by His grace we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life. Titus 3:7




JLB

 

[Dan61861]

7 Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. 8 For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life. Galatians 6:7-8




Yes eternal life by faith in Christ.

Which means you have the hope of eternal life; the hope of inheriting eternal life.

If you have faith in Christ for eternal life, then you have the hope of eternal life, since faith is the substance of the thing you are hoping for.

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1


that having been justified by His grace we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life. Titus 3:7


JLB

yep, we have that hope if we live in God's grace, in faith in Christ. If we do not have that faith, we were never saved. And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

Do you not believe the Father's will will be done?

In Christ
Daniel

 

[SBC]

I do think I know where you are coming from. I am as clean today as I was the day Christ washed away all of my sin. I am born again, under grace and not the law. I cannot sin,

Perfect! It appeared you were in contention (as stuartlawrence) with me.

not because I do not sin but because I am no longer under the Law. God no longer imputes sin onto me.

Here I disagree. You say; "I cannot sin"; but then imply "you do sin".
Should we have a wishy washy standing that is opposites?
Isn't that like sitting on the fence, not sure of which side to claim to stand on?
Isn't that in direct opposition to Scripture? Since there is no middle ground in scripture?
We are WITH HIM, or AGAINST HIM ~ no wishy washy "in the middle" claiming opposites apply.

under grace and not the law.

I am under grace. "Under the law", never had ANYTHING whatsoever to do with me.
I am a Gentile. Hebrew/Jewish Law was never something I was under, and thus I had no needs to accept Gods grace, for the purpose; to be out from under the Law.

Gods Grace upon me; is His grafting in, inclusion of, the Gentiles, which does apply to me.

Gods Grace upon me; is His revealing His WAY, of HOW TO overcome separation from Him. Since I have accepted His teaching, followed His WAY, received from Him His reconciliation unto Him...His Grace upon me has been worthy, BECAUSE I believe and accepted what He offered.

I am in Christ, He has washed me white as snow. We definitely have liberty in Christ, yet we are not to use it maliciously...Amen.

Great; then you are claiming to TRUST Gods works in you are sufficient.

John was saying if he or us claimed we do not sin, than Christ is not in us. This does apply to us.

Wait ~ How "DOES" currently now that apply to you?; after you just stated Christ already affected "CHANGES" in you?

It is why he follows it up with If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. Christ is our advocate with the Father,

if we do fall.

Wait ~ how does "if one does fail" apply to you, after you just claimed you have been forgiven and washed ?

A just (we are just in Christ) man falls seven times.

Who is such a man that IS IN CHRIST.....And Gods POWER IN THE MAN....that such particular man FALLS?

That IS NOT A MAN who has made an election to submit unto God. Gods POWER in a submitted man DOES NOT FAIL, ever!

A man WHO, (like Judas, a good example); followed along after Christ. Judas was being enlightened to the Truth of God. Judas was believing, doubting, wondering, LIKE ALL STUDENTS DO when they are learning ABOUT God. The STARK difference between Judas and the other disciples is Judas, FELL AWAY in Trusting the Lord. Judas began superseding his minds thoughts were CORRECT, and Jesus' way was NOT CORRECT.

Judas FELL AWAY from believing; KEY WISDOM...
man CAN fall away, from believing, from following, as Judas did...

The deal with Judas is...after he fell away...he NEVER returned following, and trusting Jesus.

Men do what Judas did....all the time.

AND...some men fall away from believing, from following.....BUT then RETURN...and continue following .... UNTIL they are sure to make their election to SUBMIT unto God.

Once the SUBMISSION is effected....IT IS THEN, the Lord works within the man to CHANGE the man...(not before). Once the Lord effects the CHANGE .... there is NO Falling away BY THE MAN! THAT man belongs to God and NOTHING can change that!

John.10

1. [28] And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

So no. A man WHO has truthfully submitted unto Christ and been reconciled unto Christ; is NOT a man who falls away!

We live by God's grace, in faith in Christ.

"We" is subjective. It does not apply to all men.
It does not apply to a natural man.
It does not apply to a man simply learning about God.
It does not apply to a man who rejects God.

It does apply to a man WHO HAS submitted in true faithfulness to God.
And such a man is forever with the Lord.

TO teach; forever with the Lord, cleansed and washed in Jesus' blood....but STILL sins against God, is false.

Yet we know, we are in Christ...there is no condemnations in us. Not because of what we do, or what we don't do. But because of Christ and His passion towards us. We, as Christians look to Christ for our righteousness...we do not look to ourselves. Christ alone has defeated sin, Christ alone is sinless. He fulfilled the Law for us.

Christ alone is sinless.

There is a HUGE difference between "sinless"...and ... Being without sin, and being incapable of sinning.

Christ the Lord is SINLESS - because He NEVER had sin or was sin.

Mankind IS born in sin, and commits sin ~ thus can NEVER be SINLESS.

God provided a WAY for OT men to have their sins forgiven and covered.

God provided a WAY for NT men and now to have their sins forgiven and cleansed from them.

That forgiveness is effected specifically BY a man being CLEANSED.
How many times does a man required cleansing, that it be sufficient? Once according to scripture.

Well ? If you claim to STILL SIN, do you also think you require another, and another, and another cleansing ? Would that also mean, Jesus needs to repeatedly spill His blood over and over and over for your cleansing?

For me; Christs forgiveness ONCE is sufficient.
For me; Christ cleansing me ONCE is sufficient.
I don't claim to be the strength to resist sinning.
What I do claim is the POWER of God IN ME, is the strength that keeps me from sinning.
Thus by and through and because of Him...I sin no more. I can not fall. I can not sin.

What we are arguing against here is finding righteousness in our flesh by obeying the Law, with Christ thrown in. Jason, the one you have been talking to in the Noah thread has said...Christ was our initial salvation. We now have to do our part and not sin to be saved. If any man adds anything to God's grace, Christ and His Passion, ...that man has made Christ's sacrifice nothing.

Bingo! Your position revealed to the whole point of the matter.

We now have to do our part and not sin to be saved.

There again; there are many applications in scripture per individual men.
Some....
will not be saved, are not saved, can be saved, will be saved, might be saved, etc.

You project for yourself "to be saved" and hinge it on you doing your part, by not sinning.

However for me; I did my part, in submitting in true faithfulness unto God.
And God did His part, forgiving me of all my sins, and washed me from all my sins, and imparted His power in me, to keep me from sinning.

So WHAT applies to me is; I am ALREADY SAVED.

And the scriptures that speak of ...will not, are not, can be, will be, might be saved, do not apply to me.

But the following scriptures DO APPLY;

1Cor.1

1. [18] For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

1Cor.15

1. [2] By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

2Cor.2

1. [15] For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish:

Eph.2

1. [5] Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
2. [8] For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

God Bless,
SBC

 

[stuart lawrence]

Well It's too bad that verse still lingers as you claiming it applies to you.
Because IF the following VERSE actually applied to you (as it does me)
~ you would have discovered ~
1 John 1:8 would no longer apply to you.

1 John 1: 9
[9] If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.



The deceived are those WHO do not believe.

The deceivers are those WHO "claim" to believe, "claim" the power of God dwells within them; WHILE TEACHING; Gods power is insufficient; and they are NOT "really" a new life holy unto God; but rather the SAME OLD sinner, as they always were.



So? So do you. Problem is; you attempt to dictate which scriptures apply to others.
And your dictating is based on YOUR limited understanding.

It is obvious you are without basic understanding of the construct of Scripture.
While Scripture is inclusive in application to ALL natural men.
ALL Scripture DOES NOT "apply" to ALL individual men.
And when an "individual" man submits unto the Lord, to receive His "reconciliation changes";
What once applied to them when they were NOT reconciled unto the Lord ~
NO LONGER APPLIES!

You are teaching the complete opposite.
You are teaching the Lords own works of Him reconciling a man unto Him ~ changes nothing!



No problem. You have been crystal clear you have no time to hear the truth, or desire to understand beyond the satisfaction of what your mind has concluded for 40 years.

A little note of wisdom. Gods reconciliation of a man unto Him, does not include God giving man a NEW MIND. His changes are specific to the heart, soul, spirit and body of a man. It's the mans JOB to submit their MIND, to that which God DOES CHANGE!

And since mans MIND is wishy washy and constantly changing; a man who IS reconciled unto God needs to daily keep his MIND subjected to WHAT God DOES change within a man; ie the Thoughts in His Heart, fed to Him by the Spirit of God within the man!

Rom.12

1. [2] And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

2Cor.4

1. [16] For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.

Of course that only applies; IF a man learns what is expected, and then acts accordingly.

Not a secret MANY are taught to believe, have faith, and the Holy Spirit will enter and cleanse you......but awe, additionally taught "in reality", you are not "really cleansed", and Gods power in you is not "really sufficient" ....because you continue to sin....and
continue to KEEP your carnal minds understanding. Sad, sad, sad. Oxymoron teaching.

Scriptural wisdom;

Rom.8
[7] ... the carnal mind is enmity against God:

God Bless,
SBC

It always amazes me how much scripture some can quote without understanding the truth
BTW
Why do you refuse to answer my question, aren't you bold enough????

Do you boldly claim never to have any impure thoughts?
Do you boldly claim never to say any unkind word to anyone, or have any unkind thoughts about anyone?
Do you boldly claim to love everyone you come into contact with, without slip, including those who may malign, mistreat, hate or persecute you?

I know, deflect, deflect, deflect

 

[stuart lawrence]

I dunno. These sites are perfect for people who just want to reel off the letter of scripture and make pat statements that have no bearing on the reality of their own lives.
Tis a cross the rest of us must bear

 

[stuart lawrence]

I hope you people realise, Jesus reserved his harshest words for the religious who did not practice what they preached. They demanded of others what they did not attain to in their own lives
And they used the letter of the then scriptures to do it

 

[stuart lawrence]

Well It's too bad that verse still lingers as you claiming it applies to you.
Because IF the following VERSE actually applied to you (as it does me)
~ you would have discovered ~
1 John 1:8 would no longer apply to you.

1 John 1: 9
[9] If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.



The deceived are those WHO do not believe.

The deceivers are those WHO "claim" to believe, "claim" the power of God dwells within them; WHILE TEACHING; Gods power is insufficient; and they are NOT "really" a new life holy unto God; but rather the SAME OLD sinner, as they always were.



So? So do you. Problem is; you attempt to dictate which scriptures apply to others.
And your dictating is based on YOUR limited understanding.

It is obvious you are without basic understanding of the construct of Scripture.
While Scripture is inclusive in application to ALL natural men.
ALL Scripture DOES NOT "apply" to ALL individual men.
And when an "individual" man submits unto the Lord, to receive His "reconciliation changes";
What once applied to them when they were NOT reconciled unto the Lord ~
NO LONGER APPLIES!

You are teaching the complete opposite.
You are teaching the Lords own works of Him reconciling a man unto Him ~ changes nothing!



No problem. You have been crystal clear you have no time to hear the truth, or desire to understand beyond the satisfaction of what your mind has concluded for 40 years.

A little note of wisdom. Gods reconciliation of a man unto Him, does not include God giving man a NEW MIND. His changes are specific to the heart, soul, spirit and body of a man. It's the mans JOB to submit their MIND, to that which God DOES CHANGE!

And since mans MIND is wishy washy and constantly changing; a man who IS reconciled unto God needs to daily keep his MIND subjected to WHAT God DOES change within a man; ie the Thoughts in His Heart, fed to Him by the Spirit of God within the man!

Rom.12

1. [2] And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

2Cor.4

1. [16] For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.

Of course that only applies; IF a man learns what is expected, and then acts accordingly.

Not a secret MANY are taught to believe, have faith, and the Holy Spirit will enter and cleanse you......but awe, additionally taught "in reality", you are not "really cleansed", and Gods power in you is not "really sufficient" ....because you continue to sin....and
continue to KEEP your carnal minds understanding. Sad, sad, sad. Oxymoron teaching.

Scriptural wisdom;

Rom.8
[7] ... the carnal mind is enmity against God:

God Bless,
SBC

The man who thinks he knows something does not yet know as he ought to know
1cor8:2

 

[1stcenturylady]

You are a very good example sadly of the blindness of many evangelicals to the fundamental truths of the NC regarding justification

Until you can understand the basics, everything else you think you understand you cannot properly understand. Hence your false accusations

Good night.

 

[JLB777]

yep, we have that hope if we live in God's grace, in faith in Christ. If we do not have that faith, we were never saved. And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

Do you not believe the Father's will will be done?

In Christ
Daniel

If you actually quote a scripture, you will see that the context, is He speaking specifically about His disciples that followed Him.

39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”
John 6:39-40


This includes Judas Iscariot:

12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept; and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled.
John 17:12


Yes, the Fathers will is that none should perish, but all come to repentance.

The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.2 Peter 3:9


Will some perish? Yes



JLB