The Double Message of Eternal Security.

[Dan61861]

And that is the will of God #2020

 

[Dan61861]

God's grace, by faith in Christ

Jesus plus nothing equals salvation

 

[stuart lawrence]

Why was Jesus persecuted?

One reason, he was supposedly ignoring the law.
One of the reasons Steven was arrested and stoned to death?
He was supposedly ignoring the law

Paul said:

Brothers if I am still preaching circumcision/ie law why am I still being persecuted? In that case the offence of the cross has been abolished
Gal5:11

The true offence of the cross is in not preaching righteousness of observing the law. For the proud of heart must believe they have earnt their way to heaven by being good enough

 

[Dan61861]

We can add nothing to the cross....it is finished

 

[Dan61861]

Why was Jesus persecuted?

One reason, he was supposedly ignoring the law.
One of the reasons Steven was arrested and stoned to death?
He was supposedly ignoring the law

Paul said:

Brothers if I am still preaching circumcision/ie law why am I still being persecuted? In that case the offence of the cross has been abolished
Gal5:11

The true offence of the cross is in not preaching righteousness of observing the law. For the proud of heart must believe they have earnt their way to heaven by being good enough

You keep going and you'll be winner of the year in the forum.

 

[Dan61861]

It is surprising, you preach God's grace and it's called cheap grace. You preach Christ and Him crucified and your told...yeah but....

 

[stuart lawrence]

You keep going and you'll be winner of the year in the forum.

Lol
I cheated. After being on these kind of forums for nine years, and having had many discussions with the self righteous, my mind recalls what I have many times previously written

 

[stuart lawrence]

It is surprising, you preach God's grace and it's called cheap grace. You preach Christ and Him crucified and your told...yeah but....

You know, Jesus said he came for sinners, not the righteous. I imagine many who go to church today wouldn't have been interested in listening to him as that was the case

 

[Dan61861]

You know, Jesus said he came for sinners, not the righteous. I imagine many who go to church today wouldn't have been interested in listening to him as that was the case

Unfortunately it isn't getting better

 

[Dan61861]

People are trusting their feelings...it will fail them. They are trusting their works...it will fail them. They are trusting in men...it will fail..them.

Trust Christ and Him crucified...it will never fail.

 

[JLB777]

And the way we live according to the Spirit is by the indwelling of the Spirit.

There are two ways for the believer to live their life:

• According to the flesh, by obeying the sinful desires of the flesh, and do what is unrighteous.
• According to the Spirit within us, by obeying the leading of the Spirit to do what is right, and good.

There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. Romans 8:1



12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors—not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. 13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. Romans 8:12-14

• For if you live according to the flesh you will die;
• but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.

16 I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery,fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. Galatians 5:16-21


Paul is teaching these Christian believers to walk according to the Spirit, and fullfil the desires of the Spirit, so that they will not fulfill the desires of the flesh.


Here is the ultimatum, written for all to plainly see, and do.

• that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

JLB

 

[Bible Highlighter]

There are ways for the believer to live their life:

• According to the flesh, by obeying the sinful desires of the flesh, and do what is unrighteous.
• According to the Spirit within us, by obeying the leading of the Spirit to do what is right, and good.

There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. Romans 8:1



12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors—not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. 13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. Romans 8:12-14

• For if you live according to the flesh you will die;
• but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.

16 I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery,fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. Galatians 5:16-21


Paul is teaching these Christian believers to walk according to the Spirit, and fullfil the desires of the Spirit, so that they will not fulfill the desires of the flesh.


Here is the ultimatum, written for all to plainly see, and do.

• that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

JLB

Thank you JLB.

May God bless your heart.


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[stuart lawrence]

People are trusting their feelings...it will fail them. They are trusting their works...it will fail them. They are trusting in men...it will fail..them.

Trust Christ and Him crucified...it will never fail.

People who trust in works appear not to know how many works they must do to be sure of being justified. Have they done enough? They don't know!

No sense of security concerning everlasting life for these people during their time in earth

 

[1stcenturylady]

From your post I was asking if that is what you were saying. Wouldn't that be the polite thing to do? I think I said, are you saying you don't sin. I would have to check. But I'm not sure how that would be offensive.

Explain to me how you sin, but it isn't you willing sinning? I truly do not understand that.

Many teach sin is sin, period. But God shows us that there are different sins.

1. Sin unto death
2. Sin not unto death
3. Willful sin
4. Unintentional sin

The first two are in 1 John 5
The second two are in Hebrews 10, and Numbers 15.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Your insistence it is easy not to commit sin, is at best naive, at worst.......
I am afraid it is the mantra I grew up with. At church on a Sunday many folk gave the impression they lived virtually sinless lives but they could not keep it up 24/7.
BTW
Biblical perfection is not sinless perfection.
As the insults are flying and you are likening me to being a scorpion/ that us my nature whilst you are the innocent one being persecuted, it may be better if we cease discussion.
Please note, I have not inferred you may be a scorpion. I wouldn't use such language

You are basing your truths on your own experience, so can't relate to mine. I get that. You don't even believe the proof scriptures I give you, because you haven't experienced the truth in them. Thus the Word of God on those are just foolishness or I'm lying or naïve.

And just when I think we can be friends, you sting me.

 

[stuart lawrence]

You are basing your truths on your own experience, so can't relate to mine. I get that. You don't even believe the proof scriptures I give you, because you haven't experienced the truth in them. Thus the Word of God on those are just foolishness or I'm lying or naïve.

And just when I think we can be friends, you sting me.

I base my views on facts.
Paul, when mightily filled with the holy spirit stated: The letter( of the law) kills.
And every time I asked you if you faultlessly love all those you come into contact with, including those who malign, persecute and mistreat you, you always evaded answering.

Only on the internet do I find people making blasse statements such as they never commit sin, or it is easy not to commit sin.
I fell for all of this once, when I attended churches such as you attend now. I believed all the statements reeled off. I believed people acted 24/7 as they did in church. I was a naïve young man!
What I shock when I saw the real them at times outside of church.

 

[stuart lawrence]

I should feel at home in Pentecostalish/ charismatic churches, for i fully believe in the gifts of the Holy Spirit for today. But I don't feel at home in them, because as a Baptist minister stated:
85 percent of evangelicals don't understand the justification/ sanctification process. And understanding that is more important by far than speaking in tongues. Because the most important thing is understanding the salvational core message given by Christ to the person who wrote half the books of the NT
So I tend to go to Baptist churches mainly. It's baffling to me. Many churches that don't actively promote the gifts of the Spirit understand justification far better than many that do

 

[stuart lawrence]

If WE( believers) claim to be without sin, we DECEIVE ourselves, AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN US.
1john1:8

Sums it up well really

 

[ToBeLoved]

You keep going and you'll be winner of the year in the forum.

I want to be winner of the year in the forums!

 

[ToBeLoved]

I should feel at home in Pentecostalish/ charismatic churches, for i fully believe in the gifts of the Holy Spirit for today. But I don't feel at home in them, because as a Baptist minister stated:
85 percent of evangelicals don't understand the justification/ sanctification process. And understanding that is more important by far than speaking in tongues. Because the most important thing is understanding the salvational core message given by Christ to the person who wrote half the books of the NT
So I tend to go to Baptist churches mainly. It's baffling to me. Many churches that don't actively promote the gifts of the Spirit understand justification far better than many that do

I agree. Justification and sanctification are such key theologies. One MUST understand them. They are basic building blocks of theology.