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The devil is in the footnotes...

Discussion in 'One Bread, One Body - Catholic' started by Michie, Oct 2, 2012.

  1. QuantaCura

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    The footnotes in a Catholic Bible should aid Catholics in understanding how as Catholics we understand it. That's what other Catholic Bibles' footnotes do.

    Again, using the example I provided above, the footnote is telling Catholics the Church has interpreted that passage differently than its intended meaning--despite the fact that the same Spirit who inspired the Scriptures confirms the Church in her understanding of them. A Catholic Bible should pit the Spirit against Himself.

    I also understand we don't have to accept what the footnotes say, but that is besides the point. People do read them when trying to understand a passage. The footnotes therefore should confirm the Catholic not undermine, otherwise they shouldn't be added in the first place.
     
  2. BBCath

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    I agree with this. If it's supposed to be a "Catholic bible" it should contain the proper Catholic interpretation.
     
  3. MoreCoffee

    MoreCoffee Repentance works.

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    The notes do not contradict Catholic teaching. And I do not think that the Church has issued a "proper interpretation" of every passage in the bible.
     
  4. MoreCoffee

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    There really is a fair variety of opinion about the meaning of the phrase " become as little children" so I don't see anything objectionable in the NAB note.
     
  5. BBCath

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    Then I guess I'm a lunatic.

    Think of this coming from my view - as a person in RCIA.

    Isn't the NAB a CATHOLIC Bible? It's not just a translation that Catholics just happen to use. To me, that means the notes of the bible are perfectly in line with Catholic teaching - at least according to some of the views on this board.

    The footnotes of a bible should not have any author slant - they should be truth and only truth. That's why I agree with QuantaCura's post. The one on purgatory was especially unsettling considering that purgatory is a controversial doctrine anyway - coming from a person in RCIA.
     
  6. MoreCoffee

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    The footnotes are approved by the USCCB and I think that they are scholarly consensus notes produced by the translation committees. I don't see anything objectionable in them. Some Catholics want the Douay Rheims bible and notes from former times when people took a far more literalistic view of scripture interpretation. I guess they have something close to what they want in the Ignatius Study New Testament. No skin off my nose, people are free to like or dislike as they please, but the NAB is not some wicked conspiracy against the Catholic faith, it is a USCCB controlled translation intended to meet the needs of USA Catholics.
     
  7. FullyMT

    FullyMT Veni Sancte Spiritus

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    The reality is that a Bible's footnotes cannot contain every interpretation. It could not be contained. If you want fully-inclusive interpretations, you would have to look at an exegetical book fore each book. An imprimatur does not mean it says everything, just that there is nothing objectionable.
    The footnote QC is posting does not say that Purgatory does not exist, just that Paul probably was not intending to make a reference to purgatory. The footnote does NOT say it cannot be interpreted to mean that.
     
  8. Chany

    Chany Uncertain Absurdist

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    However, the problem is if Paul did not intend it, it cannot be used to defend purgatory.
     
  9. gurneyhalleck1

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    If anyone wants the BEST footnotes with spiritual quotes and direction straight from the Fathers of the Church themselves, read the Orthodox Study Bible....rocks
     
  10. FullyMT

    FullyMT Veni Sancte Spiritus

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    I would disagree. The Evangelists interpreted Jesus as fulfillment of prophecies which many considered already fulfilled or as non-prophetic. There are biblical warrants for purgatory outside of the passage from Corinthians, which to me reads more as something which could explain the process rather than the existence (the strongest Biblical warrant is, I think, the use of Maccabees).
     
  11. Root of Jesse

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    Very true. The footnotes are not infallible, and they can be read or not. It's very different then the footnotes of the Catechism. The Church does not give a nihil obstat or imprimatur for the footnotes. Even footnotes like those in the Ignatius Editions is not vouched for.
     
  12. Root of Jesse

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    The Bible translation is given the nihil obstat and imprimatur, but that says nothing of the notes.
    But remember this...One interpretation of a scripture passage does not necessarily rule out another interpretation. This is why Protestants who think that Jesus called himself Rock in Matt 16:18 are not wrong. But it is also true that Jesus called Simon Rock and changed his name and his life.
    The Church uses scripture to back up doctrine.
    Don't let fallible humans deter your faith, my friend.
     
  13. BBCath

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    So you're saying don't use bible notes as commentary.

    I understand now.

    It's just confusing to somone new in the faith.
     
  14. MoreCoffee

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    It might be helpful for you to discuss the NAB footnotes with your RICA coordinator or with your catechist. It is exactly the sort of question that an RCIA candidate or catechumen ought to ask during RCIA because it airs an issue you are facing.

    By the way, the New American Bible Revised Edition including its footnotes is copyright 2010 by the Confraternity of Christian Doctrine which is a committee of the USA Conference of Catholic Bishops. The members of the Translation committees are included in the back pages of the edition I have here on my desk - it is ISBN 978-0-529-06811-8 published by Catholic World Press.
     
  15. Anybody know when the St. Ignatius Study Bible Old Testament will be coming out, and whether they'll be publishing the Old and New Testaments together at any point?
     
  16. Memento Mori

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    It is confusing. Unfortunately right now there is a crisis of faith in the Church, and you can't trust everything that claims to be Catholic to teach you the true faith. Even in your RCIA class they might tell you wrong things. You know, one of my Catholic theology professors, a very orthodox and intelligent guy, was under the impression that purgatory is a theological opinion (like limbo) that could be accepted or rejected until I showed him that it is an infallibly defined doctrine of the Church (he was glad to be corrected, thankfully - he really is a cool prof). Even a brilliant man like him can have wrong ideas about the faith.

    Frustrating as it may be to see this confusion, this is the time God has chosen for you and me to be part of His Church. It's a high calling to be faithful Catholics in a faithless age, but He is always with us. He hasn't left us in the dark.

    As you study this beautiful faith of ours, I would suggest the following as a "hierarchy of guides":

    1) Magisterium: the Catechism, ecumenical council documents, papal encyclicals, etc.
    2) Declared saints and their teachings
    3) Trustworthy sources of teaching: Audio Sancto Sermons, TAN Books, EWTN, and more (these sources are not 100% perfect, but they sincerely try to be very faithful to 1 and 2 and 99.9999% of the time they are)

    The perfect, reliable guide, and the standard by which we can judge everything else we're taught, is the Catechism, papal teaching, and documents of the Church, but these can be a little much to start with. My next recommendation are the catechisms and doctrinal books produced by saints, such as The Little Catechism of the Holy Cure of Ars and Catechism of St. Pius X.

    There are so many other good resources out there too. PM me, BBCath, if you'd like more. I'm afraid I might have gone off on too much of a tangent as it is. :blush:
     
  17. Root of Jesse

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    What I am saying is that you can use them to assist you, but they are not inspired or infallible.

    What I would do is to develop a "Catholic" nose. Learn your faith, based on the Catechism of the Catholic Church, and if something contradicts or doesn't smell right, question it with an authority-a spiritual director or your pastor.

    Never be afraid to ask questions.
     
  18. Root of Jesse

    Root of Jesse Admiral of the Fleet/First Sea Lord Supporter

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    Copyright only means that someone has dominion over the words in the work.

    Translation was of the Bible text. No translation of footnotes.

    All I'm saying is that footnotes are not inspired or infallible. You are free to take them or leave them. In fact, some of Jerome's footnotes are looked upon with raised eyebrows...
     
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