The devil is in the footnotes...

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The misguided footnotes in the New American Bible stands for so much that has been wrong in practice of the faith by American Catholics these last several decades. I do not mean merely the age-old temptation, of someone who has a narrow technical skill, to speak as if an authority on broad and important matters.

The devil is in the footnotes...
 

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I always felt something was off when I read those footnotes. This explains it. So what should we do?
Last I heard they were revising it.

I have several translations of Scripture. I rarely use NAB.
 
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Really? That's all I have. :(

Maybe I'll email my old theology teacher the translation and edition he recommended.
I have several. The Catholic Study Bible, St Jerome's study Bible, & New Jerusalem Study Bible & more. There are a lot out there.
 
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The misguided footnotes in the New American Bible stands for so much that has been wrong in practice of the faith by American Catholics these last several decades. I do not mean merely the age-old temptation, of someone who has a narrow technical skill, to speak as if an authority on broad and important matters.

The devil is in the footnotes...

the person on that blog does not understand what the passage is about. It has nothing to do with dependence or innocence.
 
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Footnotes are one author's interpretation and analysis of the text. They are not the "end all to be all" of an interpretation and anybody who considers them as such is a lunatic. If you want full analysis, get a commentary of the Book from Scripture.
His fourth issue misses the point entirely. A young child is very dependent on their parents. We are called to have child-like faith, that is, complete dependence on God. Look at Jesus' relationship with the Father, you will see complete reliance.
 
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Well, St Augustine is pretty clear that he doesn't think even infants are innocent. Near the beginning of the Confessions he says he has seen an infant go pale with rage at seeing a foster brother at the nurse's breast, and that the infant would have killed the foster-child if he had the power.

While he wasn't commenting particularly on that passage, I do not think it is accurate to say that the inherited teaching of the Church is that infants are innocent.
 
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In Catholicism, a higher authority trumps a lower one; therefore, it is not Protestant to say a footnote in a Bible edition is wrong--even with an imprimatur, if it is contradicted elsewhere by a higher authority.

For example, let's look at 1 Cor. 3:15. Traditionally, 1 Cor. 3:15, has been understood by the Church to refer to Purgatory, as the CCC notes.
1031 The Church gives the name Purgatory to this final purification of the elect, which is entirely different from the punishment of the damned.606 The Church formulated her doctrine of faith on Purgatory especially at the Councils of Florence and Trent. The tradition of the Church, by reference to certain texts of Scripture, speaks of a cleansing fire:607

607 Cf. 1 Cor 3:15; 1 Pet 1:7

Pope Benedict XVI's encyclical Spe Salvi provides the latest example of this traditional intepretation:

45. This early Jewish idea of an intermediate state includes the view that these souls are not simply in a sort of temporary custody but, as the parable of the rich man illustrates, are already being punished or are experiencing a provisional form of bliss. There is also the idea that this state can involve purification and healing which mature the soul for communion with God. The early Church took up these concepts, and in the Western Church they gradually developed into the doctrine of Purgatory. We do not need to examine here the complex historical paths of this development; it is enough to ask what it actually means. With death, our life-choice becomes definitive—our life stands before the judge. Our choice, which in the course of an entire life takes on a certain shape, can have a variety of forms. There can be people who have totally destroyed their desire for truth and readiness to love, people for whom everything has become a lie, people who have lived for hatred and have suppressed all love within themselves. This is a terrifying thought, but alarming profiles of this type can be seen in certain figures of our own history. In such people all would be beyond remedy and the destruction of good would be irrevocable: this is what we mean by the word Hell[37]. On the other hand there can be people who are utterly pure, completely permeated by God, and thus fully open to their neighbours—people for whom communion with God even now gives direction to their entire being and whose journey towards God only brings to fulfilment what they already are[38].

46. Yet we know from experience that neither case is normal in human life. For the great majority of people—we may suppose—there remains in the depths of their being an ultimate interior openness to truth, to love, to God. In the concrete choices of life, however, it is covered over by ever new compromises with evil—much filth covers purity, but the thirst for purity remains and it still constantly re-emerges from all that is base and remains present in the soul. What happens to such individuals when they appear before the Judge? Will all the impurity they have amassed through life suddenly cease to matter? What else might occur? Saint Paul, in his First Letter to the Corinthians, gives us an idea of the differing impact of God's judgement according to each person's particular circumstances. He does this using images which in some way try to express the invisible, without it being possible for us to conceptualize these images—simply because we can neither see into the world beyond death nor do we have any experience of it. Paul begins by saying that Christian life is built upon a common foundation: Jesus Christ. This foundation endures. If we have stood firm on this foundation and built our life upon it, we know that it cannot be taken away from us even in death. Then Paul continues: “Now if any one builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw—each man's work will become manifest; for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. If the work which any man has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. If any man's work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire” (1 Cor 3:12-15). In this text, it is in any case evident that our salvation can take different forms, that some of what is built may be burned down, that in order to be saved we personally have to pass through “fire” so as to become fully open to receiving God and able to take our place at the table of the eternal marriage-feast.

47. Some recent theologians are of the opinion that the fire which both burns and saves is Christ himself, the Judge and Saviour. The encounter with him is the decisive act of judgement. Before his gaze all falsehood melts away. This encounter with him, as it burns us, transforms and frees us, allowing us to become truly ourselves. All that we build during our lives can prove to be mere straw, pure bluster, and it collapses. Yet in the pain of this encounter, when the impurity and sickness of our lives become evident to us, there lies salvation. His gaze, the touch of his heart heals us through an undeniably painful transformation “as through fire”. But it is a blessed pain, in which the holy power of his love sears through us like a flame, enabling us to become totally ourselves and thus totally of God. In this way the inter-relation between justice and grace also becomes clear: the way we live our lives is not immaterial, but our defilement does not stain us for ever if we have at least continued to reach out towards Christ, towards truth and towards love. Indeed, it has already been burned away through Christ's Passion. At the moment of judgement we experience and we absorb the overwhelming power of his love over all the evil in the world and in ourselves. The pain of love becomes our salvation and our joy. It is clear that we cannot calculate the “duration” of this transforming burning in terms of the chronological measurements of this world. The transforming “moment” of this encounter eludes earthly time-reckoning—it is the heart's time, it is the time of “passage” to communion with God in the Body of Christ[39]. The judgement of God is hope, both because it is justice and because it is grace. If it were merely grace, making all earthly things cease to matter, God would still owe us an answer to the question about justice—the crucial question that we ask of history and of God. If it were merely justice, in the end it could bring only fear to us all. The incarnation of God in Christ has so closely linked the two together—judgement and grace—that justice is firmly established: we all work out our salvation “with fear and trembling” (Phil 2:12). Nevertheless grace allows us all to hope, and to go trustfully to meet the Judge whom we know as our “advocate”, or parakletos (cf. 1 Jn 2:1).

But the NAB footnote says this:

The text of 1 Cor 3:15 has sometimes been used to support the notion of purgatory, though it does not envisage this.

The NAB footnote says the Church has been misinterpreting this passage. Oops.
 
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In Catholicism, a higher authority trumps a lower one; therefore, it is not Protestant to say a footnote in a Bible edition is wrong--even with an imprimatur, if it is contradicted elsewhere by a higher authority.

For example, let's look at 1 Cor. 3:15. Traditionally, 1 Cor. 3:15, has been understood by the Church to refer to Purgatory, as the CCC notes.


Pope Benedict XVI's encyclical Spe Salvi provides the latest example of this traditional intepretation:



But the NAB footnote says this:



The NAB footnote says the Church has been misinterpreting this passage. Oops.
I think the point of footnotes is to get to a meaning of the passage as it was meant by the author. The NAB footnote for 1 Cor 3:15 does not negate the fact that it can and is interpreted as a proof for purgatory, but simply that, perhaps, that is not what Paul meant in the letter.
 
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FullyMT said:
I think the point of footnotes is to get to a meaning of the passage as it was meant by the author. The NAB footnote for 1 Cor 3:15 does not negate the fact that it can and is interpreted as a proof for purgatory, but simply that, perhaps, that is not what Paul meant in the letter.

Yes, but the Bishops are supposedly doing that. If Paul did not mean purgatory, then the Bishops are wrong about the interpretation of the verse, and must be corrected.
 
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I'm surprised to see so many Catholics disagreeing with the NAB's expositor. Don't you baptize infants so sin won't cost them Heaven? And not original sin, since the Bible assures many times that we are "born in sin". That the imperfect heart we inherited from Adam leads to death without Jesus' ransom? "The heart is perverse above all things, and unsearchable, who can know it?" "Wherefore as by one nman sin entered into this world and by sin death: and so death passed upon all men, in whom all have sinned." (Jeremiah; Paul)
And aren't you folks supposed to trust in Augustine's judgment?
What is your loss if there is just a single reason for Jesus' statement; we are infact "grasshoppers" in God's sight, and must follow his instructions as a young child follows his parents' leadings. "O that you had hearkened to my commandments: your peace had been as a river, and your justice as the waves of the sea". (Isiah) All quotes Douay.
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