The Democratic Safe House

[DaisyDay]

I do find it funny that some conservatives are willing to ban all Syrian refugees from entering the country, showing zero regard even for the ones that ARE Christian. All while crying about how they are being unfairly treated here because Starbucks changed their cup design for the winter.

It's one thing to be Christian and to let nothing interfere with one's enjoyment of the holidays and quite another to be inconvenienced and made fearful.

 

[Mary7]

That's part of our heritage - back when only landowners were allowed to vote and landowning was restricted.

I know people personally who believe it needs to go back to only landowners voting.. also that women should not vote. Even Ann Coulter (fox news) is against women voting.

 

[Mary7]

This is a different sort of "safe house" in that it is nominally for Democrats, who can be either liberal or conservative, but it also allows liberals of any political party.

I don't know what I am
I have been Republican all my life.. Tea Party Republican.. long story but I cannot vote for any Republican now yet I cannot bring myself to be tagged as a Democrat. Where I live (deep south) a Dem is considered not a Christian and that has been ingrained in my all my adult life. I have 3 family members now that have withdrawn from me just because I have spoken against the Repub. party and candidates. The worst insult they could give me was .. you must have become a democrat!!! gasp!!! horror!
So, on facebook I joined Republicans against the tea party, Republicans against Fox news, Moderate Republicans etc.
I am very conservative spiritually but now, politically ... go Bernie! I will be voting Democrat for the first time. I saw this 'safehaven' forum and just had to drop in to rest here a bit

 

[stamperben]

Welcome Mary. I too was interested in the tea party when it first came about, but left it behind when folks like the Koch's took it over.

 

[Willtor]

I don't know what I am
I have been Republican all my life.. Tea Party Republican.. long story but I cannot vote for any Republican now yet I cannot bring myself to be tagged as a Democrat. Where I live (deep south) a Dem is considered not a Christian and that has been ingrained in my all my adult life. I have 3 family members now that have withdrawn from me just because I have spoken against the Repub. party and candidates. The worst insult they could give me was .. you must have become a democrat!!! gasp!!! horror!
So, on facebook I joined Republicans against the tea party, Republicans against Fox news, Moderate Republicans etc.
I am very conservative spiritually but now, politically ... go Bernie! I will be voting Democrat for the first time. I saw this 'safehaven' forum and just had to drop in to rest here a bit

I appreciate this. Most of the Republicans in my family look back, with fondness, on people like Teddy Roosevelt and Dwight Eisenhower. If Republican politicians, today, were like them I would vote Republican. They aren't. The Republicans of old took on big projects that benefited society and ensured the preservation of the environment for posterity. Ike even warned about the growth of the military industrial complex and its influence on American internal politics and foreign policy. If these sorts are the model, today's Republican politicians are unrecognizable -- more so, the further right they go.

Beyond that, I have a hard time squaring opposition to programs that give aid to people in need with Christian charity. I always hear, "You should give, personally." I do. I also vote to create programs to take care of the people I can't personally reach on my own. And I, too, feel the Bern.

 

[Mary7]

Welcome Mary. I too was interested in the tea party when it first came about, but left it behind when folks like the Koch's took it over.

I found out about the Koch Brothers not long after my eyes were opened to Fox news (within the past 6 months). Hard to believe I was blinded to so many things.

 

[stamperben]

I found out about the Koch Brothers not long after my eyes were opened to Fox news (within the past 6 months). Hard to believe I was blinded to so many things.

That's what makes the media so powerful, it has the ability to not let the scales fall from our eyes. Unless of course one is to search out alternate sources such as can be found on the interwebs...

 

[stamperben]

I despise posters who take the cowardly act of ignoring direct questions asked of them. They will claim this is a debate site, but will refuse to engage in debate with certain others. They make it seem as if someone is on their ignore list, but then will respond on occasion when they think they can get a "zinger" in, but when called on it go straight back to ignoring the posts. Shame on them! Shows the lack of depth in their arguments.

 

[Willtor]

I despise posters who take the cowardly act of ignoring direct questions asked of them. They will claim this is a debate site, but will refuse to engage in debate with certain others. They make it seem as if someone is on their ignore list, but then will respond on occasion when they think they can get a "zinger" in, but when called on it go straight back to ignoring the posts. Shame on them! Shows the lack of depth in their arguments.

+1.

It's the zingers that get me. Zingers are sometimes funny, but they're typically a crutch. I typically see it as evidence that the person has been backed into a corner and knows it, but doesn't want to give an inch -- even if an inch is all that's needed to bring him or her into reason on a topic.

 

[Mary7]

Interesting article. I agree with it http://www.patheos.com/blogs/ellenpainterdollar/2012/10/why-i-am-a-christian-democrat/

 

[Deviant Writer]

Interesting article. I agree with it http://www.patheos.com/blogs/ellenpainterdollar/2012/10/why-i-am-a-christian-democrat/

I think part of the anger that Republicans feel towards Christian Democrats is largely defensive. Jews don't vote in favor of Republicans, in spite of all their yapping about letting Israel do as they please. Muslims Americans don't vote in favor of Republicans. Neither do the irreligious. Neither do blacks, or Hispanics, or young people.

White Christians are the only demographic that they can solidly get, and that demographic is dwindling not only to legal immigration, but the fact that more and more people are turning away from religion. So when a Christian...is very Christian... and doesn't vote for Republicans, it probably seems a bit like a betrayal. And boy howdie, does it make me feel good.

 

[FreeinChrist]

I am a white Christian and I know lots of white Christians who are Democrats. I am just shocked at what the Republican party has descended to (imho). If I were a Republican, it would concern me that neo-nazis are supporting the idea of Trump as President. Despite the claim that they are Christians, neo-nazis are anything but that.

Personally, I think there have been biases long denied or hid by some who dislike black people, Mexicans and Muslims - folks of color. They are finding a home in the Republican party as it is now. The Republican party did not use to be like that.


So now we have Trump suggesting something totally unconstitutional, and the folks who claim they are the ones who honor the constitution more than others are cheering him on. That is hypocritical imho.

 

[Deviant Writer]

I am a white Christian and I know lots of white Christians who are Democrats. I am just shocked at what the Republican party has descended to (imho).

They aren't the party of Lincoln anymore. They are the party of Trump.

If I were a Republican, it would concern me that neo-nazis are supporting the idea of Trump as President. Despite the claim that they are Christians, neo-nazis are anything but that.

I didn't hear about that.

Personally, I think there have been biases long denied or hid by some who dislike black people, Mexicans and Muslims - folks of color. They are finding a home in the Republican party as it is now. The Republican party did not use to be like that.

Again, they are not the party of Lincoln.

So now we have Trump suggesting something totally unconstitutional, and the folks who claim they are the ones who honor the constitution more than others are cheering him on. That is hypocritical imho.

I've talked to many self-described "Constitutionalists" and members of the Constitution Party, and I get no sense from them that they care about the Constitution at all. I more get the sense that they think being socially conservative and hating Obama means they like the Constitution.

I've met libertarians and Republicans that I have liked. A lot. On this forum, there's only one "Constitution Party" member that I like.

 

[FreeinChrist]

They aren't the party of Lincoln anymore. They are the party of Trump.



I didn't hear about that.

Just google Trump and neo-nazi or white supremacist.

Again, they are not the party of Lincoln.



I've talked to many self-described "Constitutionalists" and members of the Constitution Party, and I get no sense from them that they care about the Constitution at all. I more get the sense that they think being socially conservative and hating Obama means they like the Constitution.

I've met libertarians and Republicans that I have liked. A lot. On this forum, there's only one "Constitution Party" member that I like.

I've liked some Republican candidates. The more moderate Republicn, or true fiscal conservatives are getting drummed out imho

 

[DaisyDay]

The more moderate Republicn, or true fiscal conservatives are getting drummed out imho

For sure - they are sneered at as "establishment Republicans".

 

[stamperben]

For sure - they are sneered at as "establishment Republicans".

RINO is the description used most around here.

 

[FreeinChrist]

Eisenhower would be called one now. Goldwater would not approve of the Republican party today.

Jon Huntsman, Jr. would have been a challenge for Obama imho.

 

[Willtor]

Eisenhower would be called one now. Goldwater would not approve of the Republican party today.

Jon Huntsman, Jr. would have been a challenge for Obama imho.

There was an era when the Republican party was the liberal party. I think if you go back to Eisenhower, it's too far back to associate his party with the one of today.

 

[Deviant Writer]

Eisenhower would be called one now. Goldwater would not approve of the Republican party today.

Jon Huntsman, Jr. would have been a challenge for Obama imho.

When I was lurking here, someone mentioned Huntsman Jr., and almost immediately I heard "He's not a conservative."

Just glancing at his positions, he seems more libertarian than conservative, which of course means he not electable to the Tea Party types.

 

[Arcangl86]

When I was lurking here, someone mentioned Huntsman Jr., and almost immediately I heard "He's not a conservative."

Just glancing at his positions, he seems more libertarian than conservative, which of course means he not electable to the Tea Party types.

Huntsman would have been a close call. Honestly, I could have seen myself voting for Gov. Mitt Romney, but he tried to appease the Tea Party to get the nomination and couldn't get back to center quick enough.