The definition of EMBEDDED AGE

Split Rock · Sep 18, 2007

RichardT said:
Embedded age is bad theology. I'd rather get some scientists to start with an assumption of biblical inspiration and go out into the world and look for evidence for a young earth, find faulty assumptions in the old earth / evolutionary paradigm and do some serious ass kicking, Chuck Norris style.

But that is exactly what Christian geologists did in the 19th century. They concluded that Flood Geology was wrong.

Loudmouth · Sep 18, 2007

RichardT said:
Embedded age is bad theology. I'd rather get some scientists to start with an assumption of biblical inspiration and go out into the world and look for evidence for a young earth, find faulty assumptions in the old earth / evolutionary paradigm and do some serious ass kicking, Chuck Norris style.

That already happened. This was done in the late 18th and early 19th century. What they found was the exact opposite of what they thought they would find. They didn't find any diluvean gravels (ie flood deposits), but they did find features that required long spans of times (ie millions of years) to create. They also found the stratification of fossils that completely goes against what a flood would create.

IOW, this line of investigation was tried and it failed horribly.

FishFace · Sep 18, 2007

RichardT said:
Embedded age is bad theology. I'd rather get some scientists to start with an assumption of biblical inspiration and go out into the world and look for evidence for a young earth, find faulty assumptions in the old earth / evolutionary paradigm and do some serious ass kicking, Chuck Norris style.

That's what they did - that's how they realised that the earth was so old, when they went looking for evidence of the young, flooded earth, and found a load of contradictory evidence.

Phred · Sep 18, 2007

RichardT said:
Embedded age is bad theology. I'd rather get some scientists to start with an assumption of biblical inspiration and go out into the world and look for evidence for a young earth, find faulty assumptions in the old earth / evolutionary paradigm and do some serious ass kicking, Chuck Norris style.

Sigh... and when they find nothing... yet again... most likely because they don't go out in the world and they aren't scientists... they're creationists.... they'll be left to try and tear down what has been found. All you guys do is run around ripping on what you don't understand and pretending you have a higher truth hidden away someplace. It's disgusting. No ass ever gets kicked... ignorance just gets fed.

thaumaturgy · Sep 18, 2007

RichardT said:
Embedded age is bad theology. I'd rather get some scientists to start with an assumption of biblical inspiration and go out into the world and look for evidence for a young earth

And that is bad science! WIn-Win!

Why on earth would anyone automatically start with the concept that the Bible is in any way "inspired"?

Face it, if you ran across the Bible, had never heard of any of it before, never heard of Christianity, and saw it in a pile of other books of other religions, would you automatically be able to determine which of the books was really by God? Really?

If so, explain why.

I suspect you are starting from the assumption because someone told you the Bible was the inspired word of God, the creator of the Universe.

, find faulty assumptions in the old earth / evolutionary paradigm and do some serious ass kicking, Chuck Norris style.

Funny you should say that, because they've tested the old earth assumptions (all starting without the necessity of any of it being true) and come to conclusion it is true.

Interesting that until the 1700's and Hutton et al. no one assumed the earth had any real age or had to have a specific age. It wasn't until people started looking at the actual data that someone said "Hey, this must be pretty old!"

So Chuck Norris would be proud because the scientists have effectively laid the smack down on this goofy "young earth" garbage.

Read the history of geology. It didn't appear out of nowhere. We know how the thought process was developed and we can even look at the data every single day. It just means going outside and opening your eyes!

So, you know, if you stack the Bible up against the rock record, one tells a story all observers will read in pretty much one way while the other has to be decreed holy and inerrant and the reading of which is open to just about anyone's variation.

Can you guess which is which?

monkeypsycho62 · Sep 18, 2007

RichardT said:
Embedded age is bad theology. I'd rather get some scientists to start with an assumption of biblical inspiration and go out into the world and look for evidence for a young earth, find faulty assumptions in the old earth / evolutionary paradigm and do some serious ass kicking, Chuck Norris style.

Chuck Norris actually is a super-conservative YEC.

I was disappointed. I thought he WAS God.

Nathan Poe · Sep 18, 2007

AV1611VET said:
Maturity without history.

Keep in mind:

Only God can do it.

It is an act of omnipotence - not science - and therefore cannot be verified.

Since it cannot be verified, documentation would be necessary for clarification.

In other words, a completely worthless ad hoc which you yourself needed to define.

RichardT · Sep 18, 2007

So Chuck Norris would be proud because the scientists have effectively laid the smack down on this goofy "young earth" garbage.

Chuck Norris is a YEC.

Nathan Poe · Sep 18, 2007

RichardT said:
Chuck Norris is a YEC.

Proving that even Chuck Norris isn't all-knowing, despite having counted to infinity -- twice.

thaumaturgy · Sep 18, 2007

RichardT said:
Chuck Norris is a YEC.

I'm not surprised. But my point still stands, the scientists have so soundly pounded YEC that even Chuck would be proud.

Just like Chuck Norris's version of Natural Selection ("Those animals Chuck allows to live") science equally determines the survival of hypotheses, and evolution makes the cut, YEC doesn't.

MoonLancer · Sep 18, 2007

RichardT said:
Embedded age is bad theology. I'd rather get some scientists to start with an assumption of biblical inspiration and go out into the world and look for evidence for a young earth, find faulty assumptions in the old earth / evolutionary paradigm and do some serious ass kicking, Chuck Norris style.

That sounds like the birth of geology. If i recall, they were looking for evidence of a flood and found out the earth was very old. funny how these things work out when your honest with your findings.

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Whoh... where the hell did page 5 come from? HAHAHA.

DrkSdBls · Sep 19, 2007

Nathan Poe said:
Proving that even Chuck Norris isn't all-knowing, despite having counted to infinity -- twice.

thaumaturgy said:
Just like Chuck Norris's version of Natural Selection ("Those animals Chuck allows to live") science equally determines the survival of hypotheses, and evolution makes the cut, YEC doesn't.

That's it! Everyone now must intertwine a "Chuck Norris" joke into their post from now on.

Only then will this thread become worth reading.

AV1611VET · Sep 20, 2007

thaumaturgy said:
If we are all saved once saved, then what's the point?

I did not say that we are all once-saved/always-saved.

If you were truly born again (as you claim), then you're born again - it's that simple.

Jesus says everlasting life begins at the moment of salvation - not at some point afterwards.

[bible]John 5:24[/bible]

AV1611VET · Sep 20, 2007

TheOutsider said:
I don't remember seeing the words "embedded age" in any translation of the Bible. Is AV adding stuff to his Holy Book again?

Then look again --- it's just before RAPTURE and TRINITY.

AV1611VET · Sep 20, 2007

AV1611VET said:
Maturity without history.

Keep in mind:

Only God can do it.

It is an act of omnipotence - not science - and therefore cannot be verified.

Since it cannot be verified, documentation would be necessary for clarification.

monkeypsycho62 said:

Then it is not science, I am afraid.

Click to expand...

I kinda beat you to saying that, didn't I?

TheOutsider · Sep 20, 2007

AV1611VET said:
Then look again --- it's just before RAPTURE and TRINITY.

I thought that you lived and died by the KJV. I'm pretty sure that there is something in there about not adding things to it.

Nathan Poe · Sep 20, 2007

AV1611VET said:
I kinda beat you to saying that, didn't I?

But you never got around to saying it was made-up nonsense. No worries -- we all kind of figured that out on our own.

FishFace · Sep 20, 2007

*Yawn* has AV answered any pertinent questions yet? Nope, no surprises. I'll carry on waiting, but not hoping...

consol · Sep 20, 2007

If there is such a thing as a God I bet he is crying his eyse out reading the garbage AV1611VET is writing.

John 11:35

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