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Of course I do. Age is the amount of time that something has existed and its history is what has happened to it during that time. The earth shows a very complex history that has unfolded during its 4.5 billion years of existence. (Unless the appearance of history was created by an omnipotent and deceptive diety of course)And yet you don't see history without age oxymoronic? Or do you?
But the Omphalos supporters don't claim that what we see is real history, they say this planet has the appearance of history, which is entirely possible.
Of course I do. Age is the amount of time that something has existed and its history is what has happened to it during that time. The earth shows a very complex history that has unfolded during its 4.5 billion years of existence. (Unless the appearance of history was created by an omnipotent and deceptive diety of course)
I'm starting to notice a distinct pattern in your distorting the views of those who you discuss with.Adam and Eve with navels is only the "appearance of history"?
Okay --- let's discuss Last Thursdayism then?
You have no problem with God embedding a false 4.57 billion-year history, but embedding real age without a history gives you fits?
I'm starting to notice a pattern here. As long as it's God embedding something false, you're okay with it. But should He embed something real, then He's a "deceiver."
Hmmm.
No.You keep bringing this around to the earth as a whole.
Okay, let's just discuss Adam for Occam's sake.
Was Adam 30 years old [or thereabouts] the day he was created?
No.
(Come on AV, we've gone over this multiple times before. It's not like we haven't answered these questions earlier).
I'm starting to notice a distinct pattern in your distorting the views of those who you discuss with.
I'm starting to notice a pattern here. As long as it's God embedding something false, you're okay with it. But should He embed something real, then He's a "deceiver."
I just find it interesting that you guys have no problem with understanding (although not agreeing with) the concepts of Omphalos and Last Thursdayism; but the one concept that involves something real, Embedded Age, doesn't make sense to you guys.
Embedded age - doesn't account for the 13.7 billion years of history that we see, so there is no reason to accept that as a valid description of reality.
I know, I know, God's creation can take a hike, right?
No.I'm talking "age" here --- not "history."
Again --- Embedded Age = Maturity without history.
Can God --- right now --- create a marble ex nihilo that is 40 years old?
I don't know whether they were one day old when they had children. Well, I don't think they existed anyway, but going from the premise that they did. Nowhere from the bible can we deduce how old they were when they got their first child.Then are you telling me, Tom, that back then, it was possible for a one-day-old man to marry a one-day-old woman and have children?
Because as a concept it is nonsense.I just find it interesting that you guys have no problem with understanding (although not agreeing with) the concepts of Omphalos and Last Thursdayism; yet the one concept that involves something real, Embedded Age, doesn't make sense.
Yes, that is not what we see. When looking at the earth and universe, we clearly see a history.I'm talking "age" here --- not "history."
Again --- Embedded Age = Maturity without history.
No, the whole concept of embedded age is nonsense. Pure, unadulterated nonsense.Can God --- right now --- create a marble ex nihilo that is 40 years old?
I'm talking "age" here --- not "history."
Again --- Embedded Age = Maturity without history.
Can God --- right now --- create a marble ex nihilo that is 40 years old?
I'm talking "age" here --- not "history."
Again --- Embedded Age = Maturity without history.
Can God --- right now --- create a marble ex nihilo that is 40 years old?