The definition of EMBEDDED AGE

[thaumaturgy]

Guys, I don't think there's any way to effectively debate AV, and his "God did it." belief. Because there's no way to prove him wrong: he seems to imply that he acknowledges there are things that look to be millions of years old. But he then falls back to saying that God put it to look that way six thousand years ago, or ten thousand or whatever.

This is pretty much the definition of unfalsifiable. Obviously AV likes it that way, it helps him sleep at night and it helps him think he's all scientific while missing the entire point of science and how science is done.

This is a holy war for scientists. We see the infidel who desecrates and blasphemes against all that is scientific and does it through his grotesque love of his own ignorance.

Unlike the hardened infidel who hates that which he fights against, we feel perhaps AV only fights against that which he doesn't understand. We see his love of his ignorance and it hurts us to see someone so in love with an abomination.

We are on a mission here to educate him. Repeatedly, since he doesn't seem to be able to get it the first 15,000 times it is said to him.

At the very least maybe he'll realize he can't have his way with science without scientists educating him about what science really is.

Using the God did it response is intellectual death: it's saying "Sure, we see all this history in the Earth, but God put it that way to fool us." The problem is that there's no real way to prove him wrong, as foolish as the belief sounds.

We can't prove his "hypothesis" wrong (because it is not a real scientific hypothesis because it is unfalsifiable) but we can educated AV so he won't continue making these goofy non-scientific hypotheses and calling them meaningful in scientific debates.

 

[Molal]

Go to your nearest Christian bookstore and ask for a 1611 King James Bible.



You'll recognize It --- It doesn't come with a copyrite.

I have one.

And there ends the debate and all rational discourse. It's the ultimate trump card and ultimate show stopper. Goddidit.

 

[AV1611VET]

I'm guessing from your disregard for science in general that you don't know the first foreign thing about geology.

Let me say this with all the honesty and clarity I can muster, Thaumaturgy:

All I need to know about [the first thing about] geology is this:

[bible]Luke 19:40[/bible]

I you can't come to this conclusion after having studied rocks, you're education means nothing to me.

 

[thaumaturgy]

copyrite.

AV, I know this was probably a typo, and I'm equally prone to typos but I have to say that THAT word is easily the neatest typo in relation to the KJV.

It's beautiful. Copyrite.

It is the essence of your hopes of religion. You hope and pray that the proper copying was done at all points (and it is purely faith because you don't know what the originals looked like).

The holy rite of copying underlies your faith.

Behold the real logos of KJV-onlyism!

 

[CACTUSJACKmankin]

Keep in mind AV: unfalsifiability is a shield of tissue paper, not bronze. It allows you to hold to your claims, but your claims bear no weight. NO weight.

 

[AV1611VET]

Keep in mind AV: unfalsifiability is a shield of tissue paper, not bronze. It allows you to hold to your claims, but your claims bear no weight. NO weight.

We'll see ---

[bible]Luke 20:18[/bible]

 

[thaumaturgy]

Let me say this with all the honesty and clarity I can muster, Thaumaturgy:

All I need to know about [the first thing about] geology is this:

[bible]Luke 19:40[/bible]

Well, AV, as a former geology teacher, let me be the first to give you this grade!

F

But further, let me give you the honor of notifiying you of your failure in Christianity, too! Let me explain:

I spent 12 years in college studying geology. That's as much time as you spent in elementary, junior and high school! Yes! I spent more time studying geology than you spent studying everything it took you to exist in your daily life!

But further, personally I am offended, because I bothered to learn the bible and bothered to learn Christianity (I used to be one) before critiquing christianity, but you toss off one-liners like that that indicate that you don't need to show similar respect to my field yet you can tell us all how to do geology!

Funny that.

I should think you would have more respect for your own LORD when you do stuff like that. Seems your Jesus said something germane:

[BIBLE]Luke 6:31[/BIBLE]

The bible does contain many inconveniences for the truly faithful.

I you can't come to this conclusion after having studied rocks, you're education means nothing to me.

Your faith means nothing to me. Your ignorance and disrespect does, however.

Your church and your "prayers' mean nothing to me.

Do you know why? Because you can't even be bothered to follow your own Lord's words.

[BIBLE]Luke 6:31[/BIBLE]

 

[thaumaturgy]

We'll see ---

No, don't be confused, AV, you really meant to say: "I hope and pray we will see".

Why does everything in religion debates devolve down to the religious revenge fantasies?

"Oh you'll see!" "I'd rather be in a mental ward than where athiests are going!" "God is going to show you someday!"

Do you all work off of Tertullian's De Spectaculus chpt XXX?

I shall have a better opportunity then of hearing the tragedians, louder-voiced in their own calamity; of viewing the play-actors, much more "dissolute" in the dissolving flame; of looking upon the charioteer, all glowing in his chariot of fire; of beholding the wrestlers, not in their gymnasia, but tossing in the fiery billows

I suspect a lot of christian on-line debaters short out their keyboards with all the drooling.

 

[AV1611VET]

I spent 12 years in college studying geology. That's as much time as you spent in elementary, junior and high school! Yes! I spent more time studying geology than you spent studying everything it took you to exist in your daily life!

But further, personally I am offended, because I bothered to learn the bible and bothered to learn Christianity (I used to be one) before critiquing christianity, but you toss off one-liners like that that indicate that you don't need to show similar respect to my field yet you can tell us all how to do geology!

I can see which religion won out.

(Interesting choice of words there.)

 

[AV1611VET]

No, don't be confused, AV, you really meant to say: "I hope and pray we will see".

Why does everything in religion debates devolve down to the religious revenge fantasies?

"Oh you'll see!" "I'd rather be in a mental ward than where athiests are going!" "God is going to show you someday!"

Do you all work off of Tertullian's De Spectaculus chpt XXX?



I suspect a lot of christian on-line debaters short out their keyboards with all the drooling.

Don't underestimate me, Thaumaturgy.

I pray for you guys every day (okay --- almost every day).

Also, and in my opinion, you are going to Heaven - not Hell.

So I really don't worry about people like you and Beastt that much, who "used to be Christians".

As we say: once saved - always saved.

It's technically called: Eternal Security.

 

[Molal]

Don't underestimate me, Thaumaturgy.

I pray for you guys every day (okay --- almost every day).

Also, and in my opinion, you are going to Heaven - not Hell.

So I really don't worry about people like you and Beastt that much, who "used to be Christians".

As we say: once saved - always saved.

It's technically called: Eternal Security.

That is entirely incorrect AV. In fact, the opposite is taught in the bible.

 

[FishFace]

Wrong conclusion --- looking old, because it is old.

I don't care one iota what terms you want to couch it in. The fact is that it looks old, but is actually only 6100 years old. (Remember that, in English, "xx years old" means "has existed for xx years" and nothing else.) according to you.

Don't forget --- you guys also say I'm YEC.

A subscriber to Omphalos is, by definition, a YEC. The Omphalos hypothesis states that the earth looks old, but is actually 6100 years old, i.e. has existed for 6100 years. The fact that it states the earth is actually 6100 years old means that it is a YEC - because 6100 years old is younger than the age the earth actually looks.

Because you guys try too hard to shoot it down, or you make jokes, or whatever. Anything but trying to learn.

Oh, sure - it could never be that you start topics with the title "definition of BLAH" and then either cannot give a definition, or contradict your previous statements. You were called out. You tried to wiggle out of it, but you just tripped over your own, illogical feet.

 

[thaumaturgy]

Don't underestimate me, Thaumaturgy.

I pray for you guys every day (okay --- almost every day).

Also, and in my opinion, you are going to Heaven - not Hell.

Well, then, I rescind my accusation of reading too much Tertullian!

If we are all saved once saved, then what's the point?

No offence and thanks for "praying for us", but why do you waste your time? What are you praying for exactly? That we get as nice a mansion as you do in Heaven? That we aren't the ones in heaven cleaning the streets o' gold?

What are you praying for?

But further, what's the point of belief if it doesn't matter? As long as you once think you were saved, you're golden!

I mean, indeed, that is a very friendly religious view (not on evidence from the Bible as most read it, but I've heard of this "Hypothesis" before).

Again, we are back to hypotheses. You can't just make an hypothesis without being able to test it. I hope that your hypothesis is correct should there be a God. But how would you know before it's too late?

See, that is precisely why I dislike religion. It makes you accept a claim without any real support, certainly not enough to convince most observers. So I am left with a mammalian, primate brain that needs data affirmation but the being who created me didn't bother to make all the pieces fit.

And in the end, what if you are wrong? Not just about the "eternal security" gambit, but about God being Yahweh and NOT Al'lah? Al'lah isn't going to be so nice to you.

I hope for your sake you're right too!

 

[Phred]

The definition of embedded age

deception.

 

[TheOutsider]

I don't remember seeing the words "embedded age" in any translation of the Bible. Is AV adding stuff to his Holy Book again?

 

[Phred]

Revelation 22:18

For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book

 

[monkeypsycho62]

Maturity without history.

Keep in mind:

1. Only God can do it.
2. It is an act of omnipotence - not science - and therefore cannot be verified.
3. Since it cannot be verified, documentation would be necessary for clarification.

So, basically, you are just trying to create something that is absolutely impossible to refute.

Then it is not science, I am afraid. So it is not an alternative to evolution.

P.S. sorry for not using any contractions. My apostrophe key keeps doing this "quick find" thing whenever I press it. It is [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]ing me off. Anyone know how to fix it?

 

[monkeypsycho62]

And after reading this thread, I have decided that it is completely useless to argue with someone like AV. They are so unable to view things from any other perspective that it is impossible to change their mind.

Close minded = bad.

 

[RichardT]

Embedded age is bad theology. I'd rather get some scientists to start with an assumption of biblical inspiration and go out into the world and look for evidence for a young earth, find faulty assumptions in the old earth / evolutionary paradigm and do some serious ass kicking, Chuck Norris style.

 

[TheOutsider]

Embedded age is bad theology. I'd rather get some scientists to start with an assumption of biblical inspiration and go out into the world and look for evidence for a young earth, find faulty assumptions in the old earth / evolutionary paradigm and do some serious ass kicking, Chuck Norris style.

Or they could try to find some evidence FOR a young earth some place other than the Bible. I wonder why they haven't found any of that yet.