The Deception of The Book of Enoch

[Big Mouth Nana]

You people that are caught up into the "doctrine of devils" of Enoch need to read this carefully and prayerfully each verse comparing Enoch and the bible!! These scriptures are right from Gods Word.
Section I
1:5 It names "Mt Sinai". Let's remember that Enoch lived before the
flood, and was "translated" (Heb11:5) about 700 years before the
flood. Most of earth's current geological features came about
because of the flood. Thus, did Sinai even exist before the
flood?
2:3 Mentions "summer and winter". The seasons did not come to
be until after the flood. (Gen8:22)
2:3 Speaks of "rain". Again, before the flood, it did not rain, but
a "mist" watered the earth. (Gen2:5-6)
4:1 Another mention of "summer"
6:6 Names "Mt Hermon". For the same reasons as Sinai (above); did it
yet exist during Enoch's time? Thus, the notion that it was not
written by Enoch, but by people after the flood.
10:20 God telling angels (Michael) to cleanse the earth from sin...not
Jesus? It is "..the blood of Jesus Christ His Son" that
"cleanses us from every sin." (1Jn1:7)
10:21 With this cleansing the angels effect...men will be "righteous".
The Bible says that righteousness comes from God through Christ.
(2Cor5:21) and it is the "righteousness of God" (Rom3:22); not
angels. Angels are "ministers". (Heb1:7,14)
13:4 The demons ask Enoch to intercede for them. Since when? If
anything, Paul informs us that the saints will "judge" the
angels (demons are fallen angels). (1Cor6:3)
13:7 Mentions the "land of Dan". Israel did not yet exist.
13:10 Enoch reprimands the angels. Judas1:8-10 speaks of this. It
would seem that this passage provides the basis for those Judas
condemns, who "speak evil of dignitaries"; and gives the
example how Michael, even, would not rebuke satan, but says,
"The Lord rebuke you". (Ju1:9) Since Enoch "walked with God"
it seems highly unlikely he would have done this.
Section II
39:1 Holy children mixing seed with the children of men. I don't
quite have an answer to this one, because men become "holy"
through faith in Christ. And if there are "holy" ones, and
sinners, the holy ones are not to be "unequally yoked" with
unbelievers. (2Cor6:14) The place where Scripture speaks of
the mixing of seed with humanity is in Gen 6:1-2, and that was
a bad thing, part of the corruption, for which reason God
destroyed the world with the flood. The only other similar
kind of passage in Scripture is Dan 2:43; and there, too, the
context of end events is NOT 'good'.
67:2 Angels make a "wooden" something-or-other (missing word)...to
"preserve seed" And yet, Scripture is quite clear, that -NOAH-
built the ark at God's command. (Gen6:14~)
Note: Throughout the entire book, the emphasis is on 'angels' and
'spirits'. Angels do things, give commands, and are listed and
named. The kind of recognition given to great men, by listing
and recording names. Not very much at all about God. It's as if
God is somehow 'incidental'...but the main activity is being
done by angels. I suspect, if a person were to study the book
more in-depth (which I will not do), one would find the seeds
of how most pagans, catholics, and other liturgically-based
beliefs view angels. Setting them up to be worshiped. The book
has the feel of a document intended to 'teach' people about
things not really intended for man at this time: "..worship of
angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen.."
(Col2:18)
This is just a part. The rest goes in to how the seeds for Astrology could have gotten started....which after reading it made a heck of a lot of sense.
This is the mans commentary who studied Enoch, and AMEN for his "Spiritual" insight!!!!
Commentary: For the Believer in Jesus Christ, who is versed in the Scriptures, the
Book of Enoch should not even raise any questions, as to its evilness!
Now that I've read it, it really surprises (amazes) me that it is even
questioned amongst so-called Christians!! Just be a "Berean" and "search
the Scriptures"... are the things it says, "so"? (Ac17:11) If you know
the Scriptures, and then read "Enoch", you will know that it is NOT! No
question!
http://www.a-voice.org/qa/enoch.htm

 

[HisdaughterJen]

You people that are caught up into the "doctrine of devils" of Enoch need to read this carefully and prayerfully each verse comparing Enoch and the bible!! These scriptures are right from Gods Word.
Section

Oh, this is too easy....

1:5 It names "Mt Sinai". Let's remember that Enoch lived before the
flood, and was "translated" (Heb11:5) about 700 years before the
flood. Most of earth's current geological features came about
because of the flood. Thus, did Sinai even exist before the
flood?

Erroneous assumption.

2:3 Mentions "summer and winter". The seasons did not come to
be until after the flood. (Gen8:22)

Seasons were set in place PRE-FLOOD:

Gen 1:14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years,

2:3 Speaks of "rain". Again, before the flood, it did not rain, but
a "mist" watered the earth. (Gen2:5-6)

A "mist" is a kind of rain.

4:1 Another mention of "summer"

Again, Genesis 1:14 above describes when God set the seasons, pre-flood.

6:6 Names "Mt Hermon". For the same reasons as Sinai (above); did it
yet exist during Enoch's time? Thus, the notion that it was not
written by Enoch, but by people after the flood.

Nonsense. Are you aware of the meaning of the name "Hermon"?

10:20 God telling angels (Michael) to cleanse the earth from sin...not
Jesus? It is "..the blood of Jesus Christ His Son" that
"cleanses us from every sin." (1Jn1:7)

It is speaking of the future, Nana. This is exactly what JESUS, himself, said would happen:

Mat 13:41The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil.

10:21 With this cleansing the angels effect...men will be "righteous".
The Bible says that righteousness comes from God through Christ.
(2Cor5:21) and it is the "righteousness of God" (Rom3:22); not
angels. Angels are "ministers". (Heb1:7,14)

Again, that's not what Enoch is saying there. See above quoted passage of Mark 13:41.

13:4 The demons ask Enoch to intercede for them. Since when? If
anything, Paul informs us that the saints will "judge" the
angels (demons are fallen angels). (1Cor6:3)

It isn't the demons that ask Enoch to intercede. (undoubtedly your commentator doesn't know the difference between demons and fallen angels) It's the fallen angels...and God rebukes the fallen angels for it.

Check it out:

[Chapter 15]
1 And He answered and said to me, and I heard His voice: 'Fear not, Enoch, thou righteous 2 man and scribe of righteousness: approach hither and hear my voice. And go, say to the Watchers of heaven, who have sent thee to intercede for them: "You should intercede" for men, and not men 3 for you: Wherefore have ye left the high, holy, and eternal heaven, and lain with women, and defiled yourselves with the daughters of men and taken to yourselves wives, and done like the children 4 of earth, and begotten giants (as your) sons? And though ye were holy, spiritual, living the eternal life, you have defiled yourselves with the blood of women, and have begotten (children) with the blood of flesh, and, as the children of men, have lusted after flesh and blood as those also do who die 5 and perish. Therefore have I given them wives also that they might impregnate them, and beget 6 children by them, that thus nothing might be wanting to them on earth. But you were formerly 7 spiritual, living the eternal life, and immortal for all generations of the world. And therefore I have not appointed wives for you; for as for the spiritual ones of the heaven, in heaven is their dwelling. 8 And now, the giants, who are produced from the spirits and flesh, shall be called evil spirits upon 9 the earth, and on the earth shall be their dwelling. Evil spirits have proceeded from their bodies; because they are born from men and from the holy Watchers is their beginning and primal origin; 10 they shall be evil spirits on earth, and evil spirits shall they be called. [As for the spirits of heaven, in heaven shall be their dwelling, but as for the spirits of the earth which were born upon the earth, on the earth shall be their dwelling.] And the spirits of the giants afflict, oppress, destroy, attack, do battle, and work destruction on the earth, and cause trouble: they take no food, but nevertheless 12 hunger and thirst, and cause offences. And these spirits shall rise up against the children of men and against the women, because they have proceeded from them.

13:7 Mentions the "land of Dan". Israel did not yet exist.

You do understand that Enoch was oral before it was written, right?

13:10 Enoch reprimands the angels. Judas1:8-10 speaks of this. It
would seem that this passage provides the basis for those Judas
condemns, who "speak evil of dignitaries"; and gives the
example how Michael, even, would not rebuke satan, but says,
"The Lord rebuke you". (Ju1:9) Since Enoch "walked with God"
it seems highly unlikely he would have done this.
Section II

That is not what Enoch 13:10 says at all. Enoch was telling the fallen angels what God said their sentence was. Enoch reprimanded no one.

39:1 Holy children mixing seed with the children of men. I don't
quite have an answer to this one, because men become "holy"
through faith in Christ. And if there are "holy" ones, and
sinners, the holy ones are not to be "unequally yoked" with
unbelievers. (2Cor6:14) The place where Scripture speaks of
the mixing of seed with humanity is in Gen 6:1-2, and that was
a bad thing, part of the corruption, for which reason God
destroyed the world with the flood. The only other similar
kind of passage in Scripture is Dan 2:43; and there, too, the
context of end events is NOT 'good'.

The reason the author of this commentary has no "answer to this one" is because the author doesn't understand what is written in the Scriptures.

67:2 Angels make a "wooden" something-or-other (missing word)...to
"preserve seed" And yet, Scripture is quite clear, that -NOAH-
built the ark at God's command. (Gen6:14~)

I wouldn't be a bit surprised if God helped Noah build the ark.

Note: Throughout the entire book, the emphasis is on 'angels' and
'spirits'. Angels do things, give commands, and are listed and
named. The kind of recognition given to great men, by listing
and recording names. Not very much at all about God. It's as if
God is somehow 'incidental'...but the main activity is being
done by angels. I suspect, if a person were to study the book
more in-depth (which I will not do), one would find the seeds
of how most pagans, catholics, and other liturgically-based
beliefs view angels. Setting them up to be worshiped. The book
has the feel of a document intended to 'teach' people about
things not really intended for man at this time: "..worship of
angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen.."
(Col2:18)

That is PURE OPINION...and an uninformed OPINION at best.

Jhn 3:12I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things?

This is just a part. The rest goes in to how the seeds for Astrology could have gotten started....which after reading it made a heck of a lot of sense.
This is the mans commentary who studied Enoch, and AMEN for his "Spiritual" insight!!!!

Hmmm...again, the commentators lack of knowledge is showing. There's such a thing as Biblical astronomy...not astrology....astronomy. Astrology is something that the devil has created out of Biblical astronomy so that Biblical astronomy is dismissed.

Job 9:9He is the Maker of the Bear and Orion, the Pleiades and the constellations of the south.

Job 38:31"Can you bind the beautiful Pleiades? Can you loose the cords of Orion?

Amo 5:8(he who made the Pleiades and Orion, who turns blackness into dawn and darkens day into night, who calls for the waters of the sea and pours them out over the face of the land-- the Lord is his name--


Those are CONSTELLATIONS, Nana....and mention of them is in the Bible.

Commentary: For the Believer in Jesus Christ, who is versed in the Scriptures, the
Book of Enoch should not even raise any questions, as to its evilness!
Now that I've read it, it really surprises (amazes) me that it is even
questioned amongst so-called Christians!! Just be a "Berean" and "search
the Scriptures"... are the things it says, "so"? (Ac17:11) If you know
the Scriptures, and then read "Enoch", you will know that it is NOT! No
question!
http://www.a-voice.org/qa/enoch.htm

Obviously...a commentary written by someone who doesn't know the scriptures.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

You people that are caught up into the "doctrine of devils" of Enoch need to read this carefully and prayerfully each verse comparing Enoch and the bible!! These scriptures are right from Gods Word.

Greetings I did find this and wonder how much the Muslims and Jews also may have used this book to comprise the Koran and Talmud. Will have to look into it sometime, but right now the BoE is not on my list of books to read. Thoughts?

http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/fbe/fbe107.htm

THIS new fragment of early literature came to light through certain manuscripts which were recently found in Russia and Servia and so far as is yet known has been preserved only in Slavonic. Little is known of its origin except that in its present form it was written somewhere about the beginning of the Christian era. Its final editor was a Greek and the place of its composition Egypt. Its value lies in the unquestioned influence which it has exerted on the writers of the New Testament. Some of the dark passages of the latter being all but inexplicable without its aid.

Although the very knowledge that such a book ever existed was lost for probably 1200 years, it nevertheless was much used by both Christian and heretic in the early centuries and forms a most valuable document in any study of the forms of early Christianity.

The writing appeals to the reader who thrills to lend wings to his thoughts and fly to mystical realms. Here is a strange dramatization of eternity--with views on Creation, Anthropology, and Ethics. As the world was made in six days, so its history would be accomplished in 6,000 years (or 6,000,000 years), and this would be followed by 1,000 years of rest (possibly when the balance of conflicting moral forces has been struck and human life has reached the ideal state). At its close would begin the 8th Eternal Day, when time should be no more.

 

[HisdaughterJen]

Greetings I did find this and wonder how much the Muslims and Jews also may have used this book to comprise the Koran and Talmud. Will have to look into it sometime, but right now the BoE is not on my list of books to read. Thoughts?

http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/fbe/fbe107.htm

THIS new fragment of early literature came to light through certain manuscripts which were recently found in Russia and Servia and so far as is yet known has been preserved only in Slavonic. Little is known of its origin except that in its present form it was written somewhere about the beginning of the Christian era. Its final editor was a Greek and the place of its composition Egypt. Its value lies in the unquestioned influence which it has exerted on the writers of the New Testament. Some of the dark passages of the latter being all but inexplicable without its aid.

Although the very knowledge that such a book ever existed was lost for probably 1200 years, it nevertheless was much used by both Christian and heretic in the early centuries and forms a most valuable document in any study of the forms of early Christianity.

The writing appeals to the reader who thrills to lend wings to his thoughts and fly to mystical realms. Here is a strange dramatization of eternity--with views on Creation, Anthropology, and Ethics. As the world was made in six days, so its history would be accomplished in 6,000 years (or 6,000,000 years), and this would be followed by 1,000 years of rest (possibly when the balance of conflicting moral forces has been struck and human life has reached the ideal state). At its close would begin the 8th Eternal Day, when time should be no more.

That's not the same book, Little Lamb. "The Secrets of the Book of Enoch" is not the same as Enoch 1.

Why don't you guys become a little more informed before passing judgment???

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

That's not the same book, Little Lamb. "The Secrets of the Book of Enoch" is not the same as Enoch 1.

Why don't you guys become a little more informed before passing judgment???

Looks like a non-Christian started a thread on that

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7266242
Secrects of Enoch - 1st Enoch and 2nd Enoch

Hope this topic is o.k for this area of the forum.

I was wondering how the Jews thought of them, also how the Christians thought about them?

Are they contained in the Koran or other spiritual sects besides those three?

Lastly but not leastly - are the majority of them scribed as these three as authors or were they a collection of several prophets or scribed combining the fragments.

 

[Big Mouth Nana]

Oh, this is too easy....




Erroneous assumption.





Seasons were set in place PRE-FLOOD:

Gen 1:14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years,






A "mist" is a kind of rain.








Again, Genesis 1:14 above describes when God set the seasons, pre-flood.




Nonsense. Are you aware of the meaning of the name "Hermon"?





It is speaking of the future, Nana. This is exactly what JESUS, himself, said would happen:

Mat 13:41The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil.









Again, that's not what Enoch is saying there. See above quoted passage of Mark 13:41.









It isn't the demons that ask Enoch to intercede. (undoubtedly your commentator doesn't know the difference between demons and fallen angels) It's the fallen angels...and God rebukes the fallen angels for it.

Check it out:

[Chapter 15]
1 And He answered and said to me, and I heard His voice: 'Fear not, Enoch, thou righteous 2 man and scribe of righteousness: approach hither and hear my voice. And go, say to the Watchers of heaven, who have sent thee to intercede for them: "You should intercede" for men, and not men 3 for you: Wherefore have ye left the high, holy, and eternal heaven, and lain with women, and defiled yourselves with the daughters of men and taken to yourselves wives, and done like the children 4 of earth, and begotten giants (as your) sons? And though ye were holy, spiritual, living the eternal life, you have defiled yourselves with the blood of women, and have begotten (children) with the blood of flesh, and, as the children of men, have lusted after flesh and blood as those also do who die 5 and perish. Therefore have I given them wives also that they might impregnate them, and beget 6 children by them, that thus nothing might be wanting to them on earth. But you were formerly 7 spiritual, living the eternal life, and immortal for all generations of the world. And therefore I have not appointed wives for you; for as for the spiritual ones of the heaven, in heaven is their dwelling. 8 And now, the giants, who are produced from the spirits and flesh, shall be called evil spirits upon 9 the earth, and on the earth shall be their dwelling. Evil spirits have proceeded from their bodies; because they are born from men and from the holy Watchers is their beginning and primal origin; 10 they shall be evil spirits on earth, and evil spirits shall they be called. [As for the spirits of heaven, in heaven shall be their dwelling, but as for the spirits of the earth which were born upon the earth, on the earth shall be their dwelling.] And the spirits of the giants afflict, oppress, destroy, attack, do battle, and work destruction on the earth, and cause trouble: they take no food, but nevertheless 12 hunger and thirst, and cause offences. And these spirits shall rise up against the children of men and against the women, because they have proceeded from them.






You do understand that Enoch was oral before it was written, right?









That is not what Enoch 13:10 says at all. Enoch was telling the fallen angels what God said their sentence was. Enoch reprimanded no one.



The reason the author of this commentary has no "answer to this one" is because the author doesn't understand what is written in the Scriptures.




I wouldn't be a bit surprised if God helped Noah build the ark.






That is PURE OPINION...and an uninformed OPINION at best.

Jhn 3:12I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things?





Hmmm...again, the commentators lack of knowledge is showing. There's such a thing as Biblical astronomy...not astrology....astronomy. Astrology is something that the devil has created out of Biblical astronomy so that Biblical astronomy is dismissed.

Job 9:9He is the Maker of the Bear and Orion, the Pleiades and the constellations of the south.

Job 38:31"Can you bind the beautiful Pleiades? Can you loose the cords of Orion?

Amo 5:8(he who made the Pleiades and Orion, who turns blackness into dawn and darkens day into night, who calls for the waters of the sea and pours them out over the face of the land-- the Lord is his name--


Those are CONSTELLATIONS, Nana....and mention of them is in the Bible.




Obviously...a commentary written by someone who doesn't know the scriptures.

Obviously you are wrong. It only took me about 10 minutes to read the Ethiopian version, and find contradictions. From Enoch chpter 10..1 Then said the Most High, the Holy and Great One spake, and sent Uriel to the son of Lamech,
2 and said to him: Go to Noah and tell him in my name "Hide thyself!" and reveal to him the end that is approaching: that the whole earth will be destroyed, and a deluge is about to come
3 upon the whole earth, and will destroy all that is on it. And now instruct him that he may escape 4 and his seed may be preserved for all the generations of the world.
The KJV...Gen 6:12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.
Anyone with any intelligence knows that the sun rises in the East and sets in the West........
Astronomy of Enoch:
And first there goes forth the great luminary, named the Sun, and his circumference is like the
5 circumference of the heaven, and he is quite filled with illuminating and heating fire. The chariot on which he ascends, the wind drives, and the sun goes down from the heaven and returns through the north in order to reach the east, and is so guided that he comes to the appropriate (lit. that ) portal and
6 shines in the face of the heaven.
I'm not going any further with this. From what I have read so far, it reads basically like Enoch 1. You people can defend this doctrine of devils until Christ comes, but it isn't going to change the fact that you are being deceived!!! If you care about being with the Lord when He comes, my advice is to abandon this lie now!! It is NOT biblical, but Satanical!!!!

Oh, I had to laugh at this remark...

nana's post...13:7 Mentions the "land of Dan". Israel did not yet exist

Jen replied...You do understand that Enoch was oral before it was written, right? What a lame reasoning!! So what if it was oral first?.It did end up in a book
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[onwingsaseagles]

I agree with big mouth nana, the book of enoch is demonic, and teaches false belief such as angels reproducing with humans.

 

[Big Mouth Nana]

Here is a real doozy for you Enoch enthusiasts...
Book of Enoch chapter 40 v. 9...
This first is Michael, the merciful and long-suffering: and the second, who is set over all the diseases and all the wounds of the children of men, is Raphael: and the third, who is set over all the powers, is Gabriel:
9)The second is he who presides over every suffering and every affliction of the sons of men, the holy Raphael. The third, who presides over all that is powerful, is Gabriel. And the fourth, who PRESIDES over repentance, and the hope of those who will inherit eternal life, is Phanuel. These are the four angels of the most high God, and their four voices, which at that time I heard.
KJV.1st Tim 2:5 ~For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus. We read in 1st Timothy 2:5 that Jesus Christ is the ONLY Mediator between God and men, not some angel named Phanuel... Repentance is strictly between a man and Jesus Christ alone.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Here is a real doozy for you Enoch enthusiasts...
Book of Enoch chapter 40 v. 9...
This first is Michael, the merciful and long-suffering: and the second, who is set over all the diseases and all the wounds of the children of men, is Raphael: and the third, who is set over all the powers, is Gabriel:
9)The second is he who presides over every suffering and every affliction of the sons of men, the holy Raphael. The third, who presides over all that is powerful, is Gabriel. And the fourth, who presides over repentance, and the hope of those who will inherit eternal life, is Phanuel. These are the four angels of the most high God, and their four voices, which at that time I heard.
KJV.1st Tim 2:5 ~For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus. We read in 1st Timothy 2:5 that Jesus Christ is the ONLY Mediator between God and men, not some angel named Phanuel... Repentance is strictly between a man and Jesus Christ alone.

I remember I had this link in a folder from about 4 yrs ago afte I read Enoch. It shows names and order of rank of the angels. Can't remember if it used Enoch or not though. Read at your own discretion LOL.........

http://freegroups.net/ministry_files/mirrors/ichthys.com/default.htm

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[zeke37]

I agree with big mouth nana, the book of enoch is demonic, and teaches false belief such as angels reproducing with humans.

here is another place where the same is mentioned, not that I have studied Enoch enough to make an informed decision...but from Genesis, Jude, Corinthians...

Gen3
3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.


13 And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.


14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

Gen6
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Jude1
6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.


7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

1Cor11
10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.

2Cor11
1 Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me.


2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

seems that they were here more than once to put their seed here...hybrids...


and they are prophesied to come back...

Rev12

7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

again, not that I hold much stock in Enoch...

but this time (in that final hour of temptation), the angels and Satan are coming here to seduce THE WOMAN...the bride of Christ...

the seduction is when Satan comes here pretending to be Jesus Christ, and the body of Christ as a whole believes it...the bride is seduced by his flood of lies and goes into captivity...all but the Christian elect who are sealed with the truth for a witness against Mr. Death in the very last days...

in His service
c

 

[Big Mouth Nana]

I remember I had this link in a folder from about 4 yrs ago afte I read Enoch. It shows names and order of rank of the angels. Can't remember if it used Enoch or not though. Read at your own discretion LOL.........

http://freegroups.net/ministry_files/mirrors/ichthys.com/default.htm

The Satanic Rebellion: Background to the Tribulation

This five part series explores the origins and course of Satan’s initial rebellion against God (part 1: "Satan’s Rebellion and Fall"), God’s resultant judgment on the universe and planet earth, occasioning the restoration of Genesis (part 2: "The Genesis Gap"), the devil’s temptation of Adam and Eve (God’s surprise replacements for Satan and his angels), resulting in their corruption and fall (part 3: "The Purpose, Creation, and Fall of Man), the diabolical worldwide system the devil has put in place to rule the earth thus wrested from human control (part 4: "Satan’s World System"), and God’s seven millennial-day plan – history as constructed and conducted by God – designed to bring history to His perfect conclusion (part 5: "Judgment, Restoration, and Replacement"). This series is a prelude to the "Coming Tribulation" series, and contains essential and pre-requisite background information for any serious study of the end times, explaining the Tribulation’s place in the ultimate plan of God.

Part 1: Satan's Rebellion and Fall​

Thank you LLoJ. As soon as I get over the shock of Enoch I will look at it I'm still sitting here reading Enoch in disgust. I have never seen so much mentioning of angels in my life. Even the bible doesn't mention that many...clue there

 

[Big Mouth Nana]

In Enoch 7:12-15 it states this regarding the fallen angels...
7:12 Whose stature was each three hundred cubits. These devoured all which the labor of men produced; until it became impossible to feed them;
7:13 When they turned themselves against men, in order to devour them;
7:14 And began to injure birds, beasts, reptiles, and fishes, to eat their flesh one after another, and to drink their blood.
7:15 Then the earth reproved the unrighteous.
A cubit is 1.5 ft. The Ark was 300 cubits long Gen6:15. That means that these fallen angels would have to have been as tall as the Ark is long. Give me a break

 

[Biblewriter]

I never even bothered to look at this miserable book until now. I find it difficult to believe that any spiritual person could be deceived by such nonsense. If this book even existed at the time the early Christians agreed on the canon of scripture, it is easy to see why they did not include it.

After the Holy Scriptures had quoted Enoch, it would very easy to include similar passages in a new book. So the presence of these passages in this document in no way proves it is genuine.

When I began to examine this document, I first noticed that after its initial introduction, this supposed prophecy of Enoch begins with the words, "The Holy Great One will come forth from His dwelling, And the eternal God will tread upon the earth, (even) on Mount Sinai, And appear in the strength of His might from the heaven of heavens."

Much more can be said, including the usage of place names that did not exist at the time this book was supposedly written, but I do not consider this manifestly forged document to be worth the trouble.

This is expressly contrary to scripture which distinctly says,

"Zechariah 14​

1Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. 2For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. 3Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle. ​

4And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south."

​

A single direct contradiction with scripture settles the matter in my mind with great finality. This cannot be an inspired book because it contradicts what God said. But aside from that, as I read on I was struck by the "fairy tale" character of what I was reading. It in no way has the flavor and tenor of scripture. It is in my opinion nothing but a compilation of ancient Hebrew notions. And anyone who has read them knows that they are in some cases very fantastical.

 

[HisdaughterJen]

Enoch WAS part of the canon but it was removed.

Jude QUOTES Enoch word for word.

Enoch is still a part of the canon in the Ethiopian Church.

Enoch was found with the other Scripture among the Dead Sea Scrolls.

http://reluctant-messenger.com/enoch.htm

"In Dan. 12:9-10 we hear of words that are shut up until the end of time and, words that the wise shall understand and the wicked shall not. In addition, 4 Ezra 14:44ff. mentions 94 books, of which 24 (the OT) were to be published and 70 were to be delivered only to the wise among the people (= apocrypha). Gradually, the term "apocrypha" took on a pejorative connotation, for the orthodoxy of these hidden books was often questionable. Origen (Comm. in Matt. 10.18; p. 13.881)
distinguished between books that were to be read in public worship and apocryphal books. Because these secret books were often preserved for use within the esoteric circles of the divinely - knit believers, many of the critically - spirited or "unenlightened" Church Fathers found themselves outside the realm of understanding, and therefore came to apply the term "apocryphal" to, what they claimed to be, heretical works which were forbidden to be read.

In Protestant parlance, "the Apocrypha" designate 15 works, all but one of which are Jewish in origin and found in the Septuagint (parts of 2 Esdras are Christian and Latin in origin). Although some of them were composed in Palestine in Aramaic or Hebrew, they were not accepted into the Jewish canon formed late in the 2nd cent. AD (Canonicity, 67:31-35). The Reformers, influenced by the Jewish canon of the OT, did not consider these books on a par with the rest of the Scriptures; thus the custom arose of making the Apocrypha a separate section in the
Protestant Bible, or sometimes even of omitting them entirely
(Canonicity, 67:44-46). The Catholic view, expressed as a doctrine of faith at the Council of Trent, is that 12 of these 15 works (in a different enumeration, however) are canonical Scripture; they are called the Deuterocanonical Books (Canonicity, 67:21, 42-43).

The three books of the Protestant Apocrypha that are not accepted by Catholics are 1-2 Esdras and the Prayer of Manasseh. The theme of the Book of Enoch dealing with the nature and deeds of the fallen angels so infuriated the later Church fathers that one, Filastrius, actually condemned it openly as heresy (Filastrius, Liber de Haeresibus, no. 108). Nor did the rabbis deign to give credence to the book's teaching about angels. Rabbi Simeon ben Jochai in the second century A.D. pronounced a curse upon those who believed it (Delitzsch, p. 223). So the book was denounced, banned, cursed, no doubt burned and
shredded - and last but not least, lost (and conveniently forgotten) for a thousand years. But with an uncanny persistence, the Book of Enoch found its way back into circulation two centuries ago.

In 1773, rumors of a surviving copy of the book drew Scottish explorer James Bruce to distant Ethiopia. True to hearsay, the Book of Enoch had been preserved by the Ethiopic church, which put it right alongside the other books of the Bible. Bruce secured not one, but three Ethiopic copies of the book and brought them back to Europe and Britain. When in 1821 Dr. Richard Laurence, a Hebrew professor at Oxford, produced the first English translation of the work, the modern world gained its first glimpse of the forbidden mysteries of Enoch.

Most scholars say that the present form of the story in the Book of Enoch was penned sometime during the second century B.C. and was popular for at least five hundred years. The earliest Ethiopic text was apparently made from a Greek manuscript of the Book of Enoch, which itself was a copy of an earlier text. The original was apparently written in Semitic language, now thought to be Aramaic.

Though it was once believed to be post-Christian (the similarities to Christian terminology and teaching are striking), recent discoveries of copies of the book among the Dead Sea Scrolls found at Qumran prove that the book was in existence before the time of Jesus Christ. But the date of the original writing upon which the second century B.C. Qumran copies were based is shrouded in obscurity. It is, in a word, old. It has been largely the opinion of historians that the book does not really contain the authentic words of the ancient biblical patriarch Enoch, since he would have lived (based on the chronologies in the Book of Genesis) several thousand years earlier than the first known appearance of the book attributed to him.

Despite its unknown origins, Christians once accepted the words of this Book of Enoch as authentic scripture, especially the part about the fallen angels and their prophesied judgment. In fact, many of the key concepts used by Jesus Christ himself seem directly connected to terms and ideas in the Book of Enoch. Thus, it is hard to avoid the conclusion that Jesus had not only studied the book, but also respected it highly enough to adopt and elaborate on its specific descriptions of the coming kingdom and its theme of inevitable judgment descending upon "the wicked" - the term most often used in the Old Testament to describe the Watchers.

There is abundant proof that Christ approved of the Book of Enoch. Over a hundred phrases in the New Testament find precedents in the Book of Enoch. Another remarkable bit of evidence for the early Christians' acceptance of the Book of Enoch was for many years buried under the King James Bible's mistranslation of Luke 9:35, describing the
transfiguration of Christ: "And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, 'This is my beloved Son: hear him." Apparently the translator here wished to make this verse agree with a similar verse in Matthew and Mark. But Luke's verse in the original Greek reads: "This is my Son, the Elect One (from the Greek ho eklelegmenos, lit., "the elect one"): hear him." The "Elect One" is a most significant term (found fourteen times) in the Book of Enoch. If the book was indeed known to the apostles of Christ, with its abundant descriptions of the Elect One who should "sit upon the throne of glory" and the Elect One who should "dwell in the midst of them," then the great scriptural authenticity is accorded to the Book of Enoch when the "voice out of the cloud" tells the apostles, "This is my Son, the Elect One" - the one promised in the Book of Enoch."

 

[HisdaughterJen]

Even Christ's parable about the Rich man and Lazarus compare to Enoch's description of the gathering places for the spirits of men.

Luk 16:22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried.
Luk 16:23 In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side.
Luk 16:24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’
Luk 16:25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony.
Luk 16:26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’




http://www.ccel.org/c/charles/otpseudepig/enoch/ENOCH_1.HTM
[Chapter 22] 1 And thence I went to another place, and he mountain [and] of hard rock. 2 And there was in it four hollow places, deep and wide and very smooth. How smooth are the hollow places and deep and dark to look at. 3 Then Raphael answered, one of the holy angels who was with me, and said unto me: 'These hollow places have been created for this very purpose, that the spirits of the souls of the dead should 4 assemble therein, yea that all the souls of the children of men should assemble here. And these places have been made to receive them till the day of their judgement and till their appointed period [till the period appointed], till the great judgement (comes) upon them.' I saw (the spirit of) a dead man making suit, 5 and his voice went forth to heaven and made suit. And I asked Raphael the angel who was 6 with me, and I said unto him: 'This spirit which maketh suit, whose is it, whose voice goeth forth and maketh suit to heaven ?' 7 And he answered me saying: 'This is the spirit which went forth from Abel, whom his brother Cain slew, and he makes his suit against him till his seed is destroyed from the face of the earth, and his seed is annihilated from amongst the seed of men.' 8 The I asked regarding it, and regarding all the hollow places: 'Why is one separated from the other?' 9 And he answered me and said unto me: 'These three have been made that the spirits of the dead might be separated. And such a division has been make (for) the spirits of the righteous, in which there is the bright spring of 10 water. And such has been made for sinners when they die and are buried in the earth and judgement has not been executed on them in their 11 lifetime. Here their spirits shall be set apart in this great pain till the great day of judgement and punishment and torment of those who curse for ever and retribution for their spirits. There 12 He shall bind them for ever. And such a division has been made for the spirits of those who make their suit, who make disclosures concerning their destruction, when they were slain in the days 13 of the sinners. Such has been made for the spirits of men who were not righteous but sinners, who were complete in transgression, and of the transgressors they shall be companions: but their spirits shall not be slain in the day of judgement nor shall they be raised from thence.' 14 The I blessed the Lord of glory and said: 'Blessed be my Lord, the Lord of righteousness, who ruleth for ever.'


This place is also the same thing as this:

Rev 6:9 When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained.
Rev 6:10 They called out in a loud voice, “How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?”





Obviously, Jesus knew what was written in Enoch and HE taught it to us!



Here's another one:

1Pe 3:18 For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive by the Spirit,
1Pe 3:19 through whom also he went and preached to the spirits in prison
1Pe 3:20 who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Another remarkable bit of evidence for the early Christians' acceptance of the Book of Enoch was for many years buried under the King James Bible's mistranslation of Luke 9:35, describing the
transfiguration of Christ: "And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, 'This is my beloved Son: hear him." Apparently the translator here wished to make this verse agree with a similar verse in Matthew and Mark. But Luke's verse in the original Greek reads: "This is my Son, the Elect One (from the Greek ho eklelegmenos, lit., "the elect one"): hear him." The "Elect One" is a most significant term (found fourteen times) in the Book of Enoch.

Hi. That depends on which Manuscript you use.

The W-H Ms has it but it is missing from the other 2 main greek MS. I generally try to go by the 2 that agree.

http://www.olivetree.com/cgi-bin/EnglishBible.htm

Luke 9:35 And a Voice became out of the clould saying "this is the Son of Me [the one having been chosen], the Beloved, Him be ye hearing!

Textus Rec.) Luke 9:35 kai fwnh egeneto ek thV nefelhV legousa outoV estin o uioV mou o agaphtoV autou akouete

Byz./Maj.) Luke 9:35 kai fwnh egeneto ek thV nefelhV legousa outoV estin o uioV mou o agaphtoV autou akouete

W-H ) Luke 9:35 kai fwnh egeneto ek thV nefelhV legousa outoV estin o uioV mou o eklelegmenoV autou akouete

This interlinear uses the W-H Ms so it is shown in that verse:

http://www.scripture4all.org/

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Hi. That depends on which Manuscript you use.

The W-H Ms has it but it is missing from the other 2 main greek MS. I generally try to go by the 2 that agree.

http://www.olivetree.com/cgi-bin/EnglishBible.htm

Luke 9:35 And a Voice became out of the clould saying "this is the Son of Me [the one having been chosen], the Beloved, Him be ye hearing!

Textus Rec.) Luke 9:35 kai fwnh egeneto ek thV nefelhV legousa outoV estin o uioV mou o agaphtoV autou akouete

Byz./Maj.) Luke 9:35 kai fwnh egeneto ek thV nefelhV legousa outoV estin o uioV mou o agaphtoV autou akouete

W-H ) Luke 9:35 kai fwnh egeneto ek thV nefelhV legousa outoV estin o uioV mou o eklelegmenoV autou akouete

This interlinear uses the W-H Ms so it is shown in that verse:

http://www.scripture4all.org/

I find it quite amazing how many versions used the W-H Ms for that verse.

http://www.olivetree.com/cgi-bin/EnglishBible.htm

(NASB) Luke 9:35 Then a voice came out of the cloud, saying, "This is My Son, My Chosen One; listen to Him!"

(NKJV) Luke 9:35 And a voice came out of the cloud, saying, "This is My beloved Son. Hear Him!"

(ASV) Luke 9:35 And a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my Son, my chosen: hear ye him.

(Young) Luke 9:35 and a voice came out of the cloud saying, `This is My Son--the Beloved; hear ye him;

(Rotherham) Luke 9:35 And, a voice, came out of the cloud, saying--This, is my Son, the Chosen One: Unto him, be hearkening

 

[HisdaughterJen]

The point, Little Lamb, is that the verbage is the same as what is written in Enoch regarding Christ.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

The point, Little Lamb, is that the verbage is the same as what is written in Enoch regarding Christ.

I was just bringing up about that one verse in the Greek. That is why I look at all 3 greek MSS to compare. I did pretty much all of Revelation like that. I thank the Lord He left us at least "3 witnesses" like these.

Mark 9:7 And became a cloud overshadowing to them and came a voice out of the cloud [*saying] 'this is the Son of Me, the Beloved, be ye hearing Him!

Textus Rec.) Mark 9:7 kai egeneto nefelh episkiazousa autoiV kai hlqen fwnh ek thV nefelhV legousa outoV estin o uioV mou o agaphtoV autou akouete
Byz./Maj.) Mark 9:7 kai egeneto nefelh episkiazousa autoiV kai hlqen fwnh ek thV nefelhV outoV estin o uioV mou o agaphtoV autou akouete
W-H ) Mark 9:7 kai egeneto nefelh episkiazousa autoiV kai egeneto fwnh ek thV nefelhV outoV estin o uioV mou o agaphtoV akouete autou

Matthew 17:5 Still of-Him speaking, behold! a cloud, luminous, over-shadows them. And behold!, a voice out of the cloud, saying, `This is the Son of Me, the Beloved, in whom I delight, be ye hearing Him!".

Textus Rec.) Matthew 17:5 eti autou lalountoV idou nefelh fwteinh epeskiasen autouV kai idou fwnh ek thV nefelhV legousa outoV estin o uioV mou o agaphtoV en w eudokhsa autou akouete
Byz./Maj.) Matthew 17:5 eti autou lalountoV idou nefelh fwteinh epeskiasen autouV kai idou fwnh ek thV nefelhV legousa outoV estin o uioV mou o agaphtoV en w eudokhsa autou akouete
W-H ) Matthew 17:5 eti autou lalountoV idou nefelh fwteinh epeskiasen autouV kai idou fwnh ek thV nefelhV legousa outoV estin o uioV mou o agaphtoV en w eudokhsa akouete autou

 

[HisdaughterJen]

ok..whatever...