The Deception of The Book of Enoch

[Big Mouth Nana]

Certainly...I can agree with that. You should be just as concerned about what has been taken away from the canon as what may have been added!

Why? I am saved and going to heaven. What else do I need to know? There is everything in the bible that a Christian needs to know. It covers the spectrum of the Christian life and how to live it. It also covers the ungodlies lives and what happens. God didn't miss a thing.

I've said it before...Enoch is "meat" and not "milk" and many (including those who removed it) are unable to accept it because it speaks of heavenly things. It's too fantastic for most people because they are still on 'milk'.

Well evidently you have never received revelation from the bible. It's there. I have read verses 100's of times, and then something will loom out of it that I have never seen before, it can actually change the context of the verse. That is the Holy Spirit.
As far as meat in Enoch, all I was getting was a bellyache. I'll stick to bible meat..it's the best cut!!

Jhn 3:12I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things?


Hbr 5:12 In fact, though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you the elementary truths of God's word all over again. You need milk, not solid food!
Hbr 5:13 Anyone who lives on milk, being still an infant, is not acquainted with the teaching about righteousness.
Hbr 5:14 But solid food is for the mature, who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil.




1Pe 2:1 Therefore, rid yourselves of all malice and all deceit, hypocrisy, envy, and slander of every kind.
1Pe 2:2 Like newborn babies, crave pure spiritual milk, so that by it you may grow up in your salvation,
1Pe 2:3 now that you have tasted that the Lord is good.[/quote]

 

[HisdaughterJen]

Yes it does, if you are referring to the scripture regarding the law, prophets and the psalms. If Jesus is the focal point of our salvation, and He fulfilled the law, what else do you need to know that you feel these others books can offer?

No, Nana...you missed my point completely.

The Scripture, according to Jesus, is the Law, the Prophets and the Psalms.

Luk 24:44He said to them, "This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms."



The "Scripture" that the Bereans searched through in order to see if what Paul was saying was true would have been "the Law, the Prophets and the Psalms".

The "Scripture" that the New Testament writers quote from in their letters is from "the Law, the Prophets and the Psalms".

Enoch 1 would be considered part of "the Prophets" since Jude says so.

 

[Big Mouth Nana]

No, Nana...you missed my point completely.

The Scripture, according to Jesus, is the Law, the Prophets and the Psalms.

Luk 24:44He said to them, "This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms."



The "Scripture" that the Bereans searched through in order to see if what Paul was saying was true would have been "the Law, the Prophets and the Psalms".

The "Scripture" that the New Testament writers quote from in their letters is from "the Law, the Prophets and the Psalms".

Enoch 1 would be considered part of "the Prophets" since Jude says so.

I know at 58 I have slow days..this must be one of them lol. You just repeated the same verse context 3 times, so I'm not getting your meaning. Explain exactly how Enoch 1 would be part of the "Prophets"? Is it because of the Jude verse about the coming with ten thousands of his saints, and this is in Enoch 1 also? I know that verse isn't fulfilled..we are still here lol. It is in our bibles also, so I don't need to read it twice

 

[HisdaughterJen]

I know at 58 I have slow days..this must be one of them lol. You just repeated the same verse context 3 times, so I'm not getting your meaning. Explain exactly how Enoch 1 would be part of the "Prophets"? Is it because of the Jude verse about the coming with ten thousands of his saints, and this is in Enoch 1 also? I know that verse isn't fulfilled..we are still here lol. It is in our bibles also, so I don't need to read in twice

Enoch was a trusted prophet. Jude who was alive 3000-4000 years after Enoch trusted Enoch's prophecies and quoted it.

The New Testament writers quoted from the Law, The Prophets, and the Psalms.

The Book of Enoch would have been included in the portion of Scripture known as "the Prophets".

Jud 1:14 Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men: “See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones
Jud 1:15 to judge everyone, and to convict all the ungodly of all the ungodly acts they have done in the ungodly way, and of all the harsh words ungodly sinners have spoken against him.”



It has been removed, taken away. The only portion of the Book of Enoch that part of the church (those with a canon of 66 books) has today is the quote from Jude.

Rev 22:19 And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.

 

[Big Mouth Nana]

Enoch was a trusted prophet. Jude who was alive 3000-4000 years after Enoch trusted Enoch's prophecies and quoted it.

The New Testament writers quoted from the Law, The Prophets, and the Psalms.

The Book of Enoch would have been included in the portion of Scripture known as "the Prophets".

Jud 1:14 Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men: “See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones
Jud 1:15 to judge everyone, and to convict all the ungodly of all the ungodly acts they have done in the ungodly way, and of all the harsh words ungodly sinners have spoken against him.”



It has been removed, taken away. The only portion of the Book of Enoch that part of the church (those with a canon of 66 books) has today is the quote from Jude.

Rev 22:19 And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.

You don't find it strange that this is the only verse in our bible quoted in Enoch also, or are there others? Bible verses I can retain in memory, not one book that I read through a few times.
I have another question since you are Enoch 1 knowledgable? Where it says that He comes back with ten thousands of His angles, does it say how they "got in the position" to be able to come back with Him..salvation wise? I know that Jesus wasn't born yet when this was supposedly written, but He wasn't born yet in the OT either when it talks about salvation through Him in scripture.

 

[HisdaughterJen]

You don't find it strange that this is the only verse in our bible quoted in Enoch also, or are there others? Bible verses I can retain in memory, not one book that I read through a few times.
I have another question since you are Enoch 1 knowledgable? Where it says that He comes back with ten thousands of His angles, does it say how they "got in the position" to be able to come back with Him..salvation wise? I know that Jesus wasn't born yet when this was supposedly written, but He wasn't born yet in the OT either when it talks about salvation through Him in scripture.

I'm not really understanding your questions so here's my best shot:

I believe the quote in Jude is the only word-for-word quote. Jesus' teachings and parables often refer to things in Enoch.

Ok...angels do not inherit salvation. Christ is the Kinsman Redeemer for ADAM. (mankind) He is a "brother" to Adam. Adam was flesh (of the dust of the earth) with Spirit given by God. Christ was Spirit of God who came in the flesh of Adam. This is why God could not "promote" an angel or create another human out of the dust to redeem Adam because they would not be a kinsman of Adam. God loved Adam (mankind) and wanted to redeem Adam (mankind).

Christ was not BORN in heaven. He was begotten. He came forth from the Father. Enoch saw him there. Jesus himself says that He was (I AM)before Abraham. John 1 says that Jesus was with God and was God in the beginning.

 

[Big Mouth Nana]

I'm not really understanding your questions so here's my best shot:

I believe the quote in Jude is the only word-for-word quote. Jesus' teachings and parables often refer to things in Enoch.

Ah, okay.

Ok...angels do not inherit salvation. Christ is the Kinsman Redeemer for ADAM. (mankind) He is a "brother" to Adam. Adam was flesh (of the dust of the earth) with Spirit given by God. Christ was Spirit of God who came in the flesh of Adam. This is why God could not "promote" an angel or create another human out of the dust to redeem Adam because they would not be a kinsman of Adam. God loved Adam (mankind) and wanted to redeem Adam (mankind).

This has nothing to do with my question, so you must have misunderstood me. I already know what you stated in this post. I'll try this another way. Does the Book of Enoch say anything about salvation in order to even inherit eternal life? I know that the Messiah wasn't even born yet, but He wasn't born yet in the OT and was prophecied to come and it talks about salvation. Just the verse of Him coming with ten thousands of His saints in Enoch leaves a person hanging not knowing what this was even referring to. If The Book of Enoch was all that we had as a reference, we would all be going to hell. There was no "completeness" regarding this that I could see in Enoch 1 unless I missed something.

Christ was not BORN in heaven. He was begotten. He came forth from the Father. Enoch saw him there. Jesus himself says that He was (I AM)before Abraham. John 1 says that Jesus was with God and was God in the beginning.

LOL!!! I know this about Christ already Jen!!! This that I put in "bold" in your post is what first led me to start this topic. That goes TOTALLY against Gods Word!! Yes, Jesus said that He was the I AM before Abraham. It doesn't say that anyone saw Him in heaven!!!
Jn 1:18 ~No manhath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.
Jn 5:37 ~ And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.
Ex 33:19 ~ And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy. 20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
Jn 14:-8-10 ~ Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? 10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me?
In order for Enoch to have seen Jesus, he would have had to have seen God since Jesus was in the bosom of God!! Jesus didn't come forth from the Father until He became the seed planted in Mary by the Holy Spirit. People have seen God in the form of an angel, smoke, cloud, and below His feet, but no one has ever seen God/Jesus in heaven as they are ONE. Even in Revelation Jesus is described as a Lamb. This Book of Enoch is a falsehood.