the date of the pasion

[Goinheix]

We are saved because Jesus Christ died in the cross for us.
That is because Jesus is our Passover Lamb.
And we have eternal life by his resurrection.
We know Jesus Christ did died in the cross because we read it on the Gospels.
In the same way we know about his resurrection.
Do we know from the Gospels wich date Jesus was crucified.

 

[granpa]

http://www.christianforums.com/t7509880/

 

[Goinheix]

http://www.christianforums.com/t7509880/

Your post:
"Lunar eclipse from 6th-9th hour, after a 3pm crucifixion, would be 9-12midnight Wow. I cant believe this never occurred to me before.

john 19:14 says Pilate sat in the place called the pavement at the 6th hour. Thats noon.
Then Jesus was led away to be crucified.
According to Mark Jesus was crucified at the 3rd hour. Thats 3pm.
(He cant have been crucified before he was led away)

There was darkness from the 6th to the 9th hour.
The 6th hour that he was on the cross would be 9pm.
The 9th hour that he was on the cross would be 12midnight.
(Midnight is the hour the angel of death passed throughout Epypt).

Apr 35 of the year 31 had a partial lunar eclipse lasting from 20:00 to 00:30.
(well after sunset)

there was also a total eclipse on june 14 of 29 but that would be too late in the year for passover.
(unless they had a very long winter)"

The 3rd hour is 9am, not 3pm. If Jesus was first at Pilate´s by 12noon, and was crucified later by 9am...what it means?

 

[Goinheix]

http://www.christianforums.com/t7548976/

 

[granpa]

please fix your quote of my post.
I know where my post ends and your comment begins but others will be confused

for the record his comment begins with "The 3rd hour is 9am, not 3pm"

http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/JLEX/JLEX-AS.html

 

[granpa]

http://www.christianforums.com/t7509880/

Lunar eclipse from 6th-9th hour, after a 3pm crucifixion, would be 9-12midnight

Wow. I cant believe this never occurred to me before.

john 19:14 says Pilate sat in the place called the pavement at the 6th hour. Thats noon.
Then Jesus was led away to be crucified.
According to Mark Jesus was crucified at the 3rd hour. Thats 3pm.
(He cant have been crucified before he was led away)

There was darkness from the 6th to the 9th hour.
The 6th hour that he was on the cross would be 9pm.
The 9th hour that he was on the cross would be 12midnight.
(Midnight is the hour the angel of death passed throughout Epypt).

Apr 35 of the year 31 had a partial lunar eclipse lasting from 20:00 to 00:30.
(well after sunset)

there was also a total eclipse on june 14 of 29 but that would be too late in the year for passover.
(unless they had a very long winter)

Javascript Lunar Eclipse Explorer for ASIA

The 3rd hour is 9am, not 3pm. If Jesus was first at Pilate´s by 12noon, and was crucified later by 9am...what it means?

 

[Goinheix]

I have used "..." to paste your post. But, the point you are avoiding is that the 3rd hour is 9am, not 3pm. If Jesus was first at Pilate´s by 12noon, and was crucified later by 9am...what it means?

 

[granpa]

Yes and thats going to confuse people.

I am not avoiding anything and you are being coy.
just state what you believe and be out with it.

so you dont think that jesus died at midnight after passover when the angel of death passed through egypt?

 

[Goinheix]

I believe in Paul when say that Jesus Christ died as scriptures say. That is meaning Moses but also the Gospels. Moses stablished tha Passover Fest as a week long fest, not just one day. For the Christ to die according to Moses, it is necessary he died one of day of the fest week, not necessarely the first day. And the Gospels are clear in that Jesus was not crucified the 14th, nor the 15th, but some day later that week. The Gospels describe how it comes the morning (daybreaks) so many times during his long trials. The Gospels account long, very long rials that could not be performed in few hours from arrest to 9am same morning. The Gospels are telling us that Jesus was before Pilates one day, and crcified next day.

Concerning a possible dead by midnight, it is agaist the Gospels telling us that Jesus died few hours before the next day (sabbath) commenced. And a day commence by sunset, not midnoght.

 

[granpa]

here is something interesting that i found
Luke 23 Interlinear Bible

it says the sabbath "was beginning" but when i look up "beginning" it says 'to dawn'.

in other words the sabbath was about to dawn.

 

[granpa]

mark 15 says that 'when evening (late) was come"
but when I look at the interlinear it says
"evening having already come"

 

[Goinheix]

here is something interesting that i found
Luke 23 Interlinear Bible

it says the sabbath "was beginning" but when i look up "beginning" it says 'to dawn'.

in other words the sabbath was about to dawn.

dawn (dôn)n.1. The time each morning at which daylight first begins.
2. A first appearance; a beginning: the dawn of history. See Synonyms at beginning.

intr.v. dawned, dawn·ing, dawns 1. To begin to become light in the morning.
2. To begin to appear or develop; emerge.
3. To begin to be perceived or understood: Realization of the danger soon dawned on us.

The sabbath was about to begin. The sabbath begins at sunset.

 

[Goinheix]

Mark 15:42
And now, when the eve was come, because it was the preparation, that is the day before the sabbath.

Luke 23:54
And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.

It was late, too late, way to late in the preparation day, the day before the sabbath. The latest it can be in the preparation day is 17:59. Any later is already Sabbath.

 

[granpa]

there was also a total eclipse on june 14 of 29 but that would be too late in the year for passover.
(unless they had a very long winter)

I am starting to wonder if there might not be something to this.
a long winter could be due to a volcanic eruption similar to
Extreme weather events of 535–536

if the sun was dark that year that could lead to confusion over the 'darkness from 6th to 9th hour'.
people would naturally assume it was referring to the sun being dark when it was actually a lunar eclipse.

Timetable_of_major_worldwide_volcanic_eruptions

 

[granpa]

this would also have parallels with
The Exodus Decoded - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Jacobovici suggests that the Exodus took place around 1500 BC, during the reign of pharaoh Ahmose I, and that it coincided with the Minoan eruption

Minoan eruption - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Minoan eruption of Thera, also referred to as the Thera eruption or Santorini eruption, was a major catastrophic volcanic eruption with a Volcanic Explosivity Index (VEI) of 6 or 7 and a Dense-rock equivalent (DRE) of 60 cubic kilometres (14 cu mi),[1] which is estimated to have occurred in the mid second millennium BCE.[2] The eruption was one of the largest volcanic events on Earth in recorded history

 

[Goinheix]

At least we have very clear, as you are admiting, that Jesus died by 3pm, and that any lnar eclipse has nothing to do with the dareknes fromn noon to 3pm.

 

[Celeste R]

No lunar eclipse

 

[Jpark]

Perhaps it may have been a lunar eclipse, but there is also a possibility it is a new thing like the occurrence in Numbers 16.

I think it would be very interesting if people had already seen a lunar eclipse in those days.

 

[Don Oscar]

Perhaps it may have been a lunar eclipse, but there is also a possibility it is a new thing like the occurrence in Numbers 16.

I think it would be very interesting if people had already seen a lunar eclipse in those days.

Goinheix have made a point: crucufuxion was on Nisan 20th. As you have noticed, nobody have found a mistake on his study. If Jesus were crucified on Nisan 20th, then it is impossible for a lunar eclipse. First of the month is new moon (possible solar eclipse) and the 15th of the months is full moon (possible lunar eclipse). On 20th Nisan it is impossible for any eclipse at all.

 

[David64]

the date of the pasion.

Nisan 14th.

That year it fell on what we would call April 25th.