The Danger of Creationism

[ottawak]

To not want to take a vaccine that you don't know the long term effects of and you don't feel has been adequately tested? I took it but others have a right not to. Being skeptical that someone know how life began? Why is that dangerous?

Because it is often based on the ignorance and distrust of science fostered by creationism.

 

[BPPLEE]

https://www.worldviewsummit.org/post/does-the-fossil-record-support-a-darwinian-history-of-life

 

[BPPLEE]

I cant tell what point you aretryhing to make but-

You hae a lot more to learn about what a theory is or isnt before you start trying to teach us.

I'm not trying to teach. I wouldn't try to do that. There are too many things I don't know. I was a Youth Pastor and taught kids but not about science

 

[Astrid]

To not want to take a vaccine that you don't know the long term effects of and you don't feel has been adequately tested? I took it but others have a right not to. Being skeptical that someone know how life began? Why is that dangerous?

You have nicely demonstrated how one can carefully pick
examples of reasonable skepticim,, or harmless ignorance.
I didnt need to hear your examles, I can think of my own.


Try again..
Do you think htat just as a general princi;le,there is any risk to society if the public is profoundly ignorant of basic science?

Here is a hint, and its for the benefit of peole in like Oz or American that I amsaying it.

Theres way over a bnillion peole in my country, with acultural tradition of valuing
education in a way you peobably cant imagine.
Americfan rank like what, 30th place inscience literacy? Alot of that is deliberate
willful ignorance.
Where do you suppose al this might be goinhg?

You guys cansuist yourselves of course,
but Ikind of like American, and I dont want to
see it go unjder.

 

[BPPLEE]

Because it is often based on the ignorance and distrust of science fostered by creationism.

I am skeptical but it has nothing to do with what is taught about creationism

 

[Astrid]

I'm not trying to teach. I wouldn't try to do that. There are too many things I don't know. I was a Youth Pastor and taught kids but not about science

Fine. Dont try to EXPLAIN, if that is different thanteaching.
Either way,as you noted, youdontknow enough.

 

[BPPLEE]

You have nicely demonstrated how one can carefully pick
examples of reasonable skepticim,, or harmless ignorance.
I didnt need to hear your examles, I can think of my own.


Try again..
Do you think htat just as a general princi;le,there is any risk to society if the public is profoundly ignorant of basic science?

Here is a hint, and its for the benefit of peole in like Oz or American that I amsaying it.

Theres way over a bnillion peole in my country, with acultural tradition of valuing
education in a way you peobably cant imagine.
Americfan rank like what, 30th place inscience literacy? Alot of that is deliberate
willful ignorance.
Where do you suppose al this might be goinhg?

You guys cansuist yourselves of course,
but Ikind of like American, and I dont want to
see it go unjder.

Americans are now poorly educated in more than science

 

[ottawak]

https://www.worldviewsummit.org/post/does-the-fossil-record-support-a-darwinian-history-of-life

No, you can't just post links without explaining what you thiink they mean or show or prove.
A biased book review of a book by a creationist with a devious political agenda doesn't mean or show or prove much of anything without some kind of explanation from you. I could use that same link to demonstate that creationism is the bunk.

 

[BPPLEE]

Fine. Dont try to EXPLAIN, if that is different thanteaching.
Either way,as you noted, youdontknow enough.

Stating a fact

 

[BPPLEE]

No, you can't just post links without explaining what you thiink they mean or show or prove.
A biased book review of a book by a creationist with a devious political agenda doesn't mean or show or prove much of anything without some kind of explanation from you. I could use that same link to demonstate that creationism is the bunk.

It's not about creationism

 

[Astrid]

I am skeptical but it has nothing to do with what is taught about creationism

All of the objections you cite are identical to what is found in creosites.
But good if you thought of them on your own.
Except that they are al lbased on misunderstanding or ignorance of the science.

 

[Astrid]

Stating a fact

Save time by not stating the obvious to peolple more familiarwith the subject than yourself.

 

[BPPLEE]

All of the objectionsy ou cite are identical to what is found in creosites.
But good if you thought of them on your own.
Except that they are al lbased on misunderstanding or ignorance of the science.

Being skeptical does not imply ignorance. They may be right

 

[ottawak]

It's not about creationism

Then what is it about? Meyer is a creationist and that's what his book is about.

 

[BPPLEE]

Then what is it about? Meyer is a creationist and that's what his book is about.

The view that life was designed by an intelligent mind is not the same as Biblical creationism

 

[Astrid]

Being skeptical does not imply ignorance. They may be right

You do have a way of pointing out the obvious but
irrelevant, or as in this case, demolishing a strawman.

Now, if you disagree that widespread ignorance of science
puts society at risk, or that dismissing
something one knows nothing about is the
height of stupidity, go for it.

 

[Astrid]

The view that life was designed by an intelligent mind is not the same as Biblical creationism

Down goes another strawman!

 

[BPPLEE]

You do have a way of pointing out the obvious but
irrelevant, or as in this case, demolishing a strawman.

Now, if you disagree that widespread ignorance of science
puts society at risk, or that dismissing
something one knows nothing about is the
height of stupidity, go for it.

The widespread ignorance of science puts society at risk. Being skeptical about some science hurts no one. I don't believe the media are fair and unbiased but I still watch the news

 

[BPPLEE]

So you really *don't* know what ignorant means.

Do you really think most drivers think they can drive with out a plate? Or that crack is not going to cause them trouble? And driving around attracting attention of the fuzz while you have outstanding warrants isn't ignorant, it's stupid.

Stupid and ignorant aren't the same things. Until the last hour I was ignorant of your (former) profession, now you have informed me (and others). You are likely ignorant of my profession, but that doesn't make you stupid. (For the record, I am a scientist.)

Do you really think most drivers think they can drive with out a plate? Or that crack is not going to cause them trouble? And driving around attracting attention of the fuzz while you have outstanding warrants isn't ignorant, it's stupid.
An ignorant person does those things. They may be stupid things but it stems from ignorance. Maybe they are ignorant and stupid.

 

[ottawak]

The view that life was designed by an intelligent mind is not the same as Biblical creationism

And it's not the same as the Intelligent Design Meyer is pushing, either. The notion that life was "designed" by a creator is one common to all theists, even those who reject the ID of the Discovery Institute as the fraud that it is. Meyer is a biblical creationist using "ID" as a trojan horse.