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The Danger of Creationism

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What an absolutely ridiculous manipulation of numbers.
Why hasn't the Thirty Years War been considered where Catholics and Protestants slaughtered each other?

The Dreißigjähriger Krieg was at least as much about religion as the Irish "Troubles". (That's quite a bit about religion, but not completely.) It largely put an end to direct Catholic/Protestant wars primarily by codifying dominate religions and minority rights in various parts of the HRE. The next P/C war I can think of is the Sonderbund War.
 
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Not even a little.

Curious if you have bothered to educate yourself on what the genetic code is - when last I saw you blabbering on the subject, you had no idea.
The prob is that its impossible to simultaneously
be educated, a creationist, and a person of integrity.

To illustrate, we again mention a Dr. K Wise,
a fundy with a PhD in paleontology.
You dont get a degree like that ignorant of the data
that supports evolution.
His statement-
"...even if all the data in the universe turned,against
YEC, I would still be YEC, because that is what the Bible
seems to indicate".

The very essence of intellectual dishonesty.
 
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The prob is that its impossible to simultaneously
be educated, a creationist, and a person of integrity.

To illustrate, we again mention a Dr. K Wise,
a fundy with a PhD in paleontology.
You dont get a degree like that ignorant of the data
that supports evolution.
His statement-
"...even if all the data in the universe turned,against
YEC, I would still be YEC, because that is what the Bible
seems to indicate".

The very essence of intellectual dishonesty.
Please take it up with jesus, as he created the Universe and all in it!
 
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The prob is that its impossible to simultaneously
be educated, a creationist, and a person of integrity.

To illustrate, we again mention a Dr. K Wise,
a fundy with a PhD in paleontology.
You dont get a degree like that ignorant of the data
that supports evolution.
His statement-
"...even if all the data in the universe turned,against
YEC, I would still be YEC, because that is what the Bible
seems to indicate".

The very essence of intellectual dishonesty.
AiG has an even worse example now. Andrew Snelling of Australia earned a PhD in geology and in the same year that the published peer reviewed papers on the radiometric ages of certain strata he switched over to working for AiG. He openly lies for Jesus these days. I wonder what his motivation was. Is it because the money was better. He falsely claims that there folds cannot form in hard sedimentary rocks, but there is a whole field of study that deals with this topic. He pretends that vast areas of science do not exist. And he would have to know about this as a PhD in geology. There is no way he could be that ignorant, which tells us that he is simply lying.

It is one thing to ignore the evidence. It is even worse to lie about it.
 
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Please take it up with jesus, as he created the Universe and all in it!
Science just tells us the route that life took to get here. It does not tell us if anyone was behind it. All of the evidence tells us that life is the product of evolution. I don't recall Jesus teaching any science classes. I must have missed those verses if he did.
 
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Please take it up with jesus, as he created the Universe and all in it!

A killer knockout quip? ;)
Jesus said he aint god but maybe his word
isnt good enuf.

Of the many thousands of opinions you expect
someone will correctly identify just which one of the
countless versions of what the bible is saying
happens to be the One Truth?

Meanwhile here on earth what I said is demonstrably true,
and widely demonstrated un these very forums.
 
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Of the many thousands of opinions you expect
someone will correctly identify just which one of the countless versions of what the bible is saying happens to be the One Truth?
Would you know the correct version if you saw it?
 
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Science just tells us the route that life took to get here. It does not tell us if anyone was behind it. All of the evidence tells us that life is the product of evolution. I don't recall Jesus teaching any science classes. I must have missed those verses if he did.
Since he is God and was the Creator, He should know what and how he did it!
 
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Livestream from yesterday from Creation Myths (creationism debunking channel run by evolutionary biologist Dan Cardinale).

The thesis of the stream is the idea that creationist organizations (e.g. professional creationists) have spent decades training their followers to distrust science and science professionals. In the context of evolution-denial, it's theoretically not a big deal. In the context of the current pandemic and vaccines, however, science distrust is causing real harm.

The video specifically shows examples of professional creationists and creationist organizations promoting vaccines, and then proceeding to get into arguments with anti-vax contingents of their own followers.

There is a palpable irony in seeing creationists arguing in favor of science against other creationists arguing against it. At one point, a quote from Dr. Jonathan Sarfati, whereby Sarfati states that anyone thinking that the vaccine is worse than COVID-19 is living in a "magical world". Meanwhile, I'm thinking, "you mean like people who believe the world is only 6000 years old? Those people?"

Dr. Dan does credit these creationists and orgs that at least they are being responsible in promoting the vaccines and trying to save lives. But also laments that a lot of the folks posting vaccine conspiracies and other nonsense are basically just "gone" at this point. Words on the internet are not likely to convince them, even from people they otherwise had trusted.

He ends the video by calling on professional scientists to take more responsibility in debunking anti-science and pseudoscientific views no matter what they are. And that by not doing so, scientists are allowing general mistrust of science and science professionals to foster. Which in the context of anti-vax movements has deadly consequences.

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They have always said there's a difference between science and historical science. It's no surprise many support taking the vaccine. I never claimed I didn't believe in science. But I don't believe the earth is 4.5 billion years old. How old is it? No one knows
 
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They have always said there's a difference between science and historical science. It's no surprise many support taking the vaccine. I never claimed I didn't believe in science. But I don't believe the earth is 4.5 billion years old. How old is it? No one knows
Thats like a difference between a car
and a red car.
 
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They have always said there's a difference between science and historical science. It's no surprise many support taking the vaccine. I never claimed I didn't believe in science. But I don't believe the earth is 4.5 billion years old. How old is it? No one knows


The Astrology and Physics Departments of major Universities across the world will disagree with you.

Why do you think this is the case?

OB
 
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