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It seems to be a mish mash of Bapticostal/Messianic/Adventist form of something......not something that Anglicans usually spout, although they do have differing beliefs....maybe some Anglicans can jump in and sort it out for us......
We recite the Nicene Creed every week after the Gospel reading and homily - with filioque - just as our brothers and sisters in communion with the See of Rome do.
 
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The annual observance of Passover was replaced with the observance of Easter, which itself was rife with pagan practices (eggs, rabbits, fertility, hot cross buns, sunrise worship of the sun god, the resurrection of Tammuz, and the queen of heaven—Ishtar and Ashtoreth).
We had hot cross buns in AD 325?
 
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The annual observance of Passover was replaced with the observance of Easter, which itself was rife with pagan practices (eggs, rabbits, fertility, hot cross buns, sunrise worship of the sun god, the resurrection of Tammuz, and the queen of heaven—Ishtar and Ashtoreth).
We had hot cross buns in AD 325?
Only if you mean people's "buns" being toasted on burning hot stakes. :D
 
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Gary:

Do you really believe that the Council of Nicea was called for the purpose of the Passover issue? Get real.

Further, forget this nonsense about the true church of G-d being other than the one calling the council of Nicea. This Orthodox/Catholic gentile church is precisely the one set up by the apostles.

Was there a problem with the gentile church having lost its link to Israel? Yes. An unnatural divorce had indeed occurred, but not at Nicea. It began, really, in 70 AD with the destruction of the Temple -- which also destroyed the Jerusalem messianic hub that connected the gentile church to Israel. It was catalyzed when the Messianic Jews refused to participate in the Bar Kochba rebellion, abandoning their people, and creating a chasm that should never have come into being. The resultant Replacement Theology that marred the church simply put the finishing touches on this divorce. Had the graft remained strong, Supersessionism would have never taken root.

It is worth noting that the gentile Church confused the Nazareans with the Ebionites, treating them as though they were the same group, when in fact they had little in common other than Torah observance. The Ebionites were Judaizers, almost entirely gentile, who mistakenly taught that all gentile believers were under the Sinaitic covenant. The Nazareans were mostly Jews who believed in Yeshua and remained steadfast in Covenant faithfulness, but true to the Apostles teachings, made no designs to force Mosaic Law upon gentile believers. But the Church lumped them together, sadly.

There are many things in the history of Ekklesia that are regrettable. It doesn't mean that she is not the bride of Moshiach.
 
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Just a short note to the Christians here:

Messianic Judaism in general is not hostile to Nicene Christianity an the gentile churches. There may be individuals who libel an slander the church, but they don't necessarily agree with what is being taught in their congregations.

Someone proposed that this thread sounded somewhat Messianic. It is not.

Okay, back to business as usual. Carry on, carry on...
 
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It seems to be a mish mash of Bapticostal/Messianic/Adventist form of something......not something that Anglicans usually spout, although they do have differing beliefs....maybe some Anglicans can jump in and sort it out for us......
Yea, that is what I was thinking, SDA? But then I saw the Anglican icon and I was like, this has to be some kind of troll.
 
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Yea, that is what I was thinking, SDA? But then I saw the Anglican icon and I was like, this has to be some kind of troll.
I'm not sure it's a troll -- it may very well be what Gary believes. But I can guarantee that it is not what the teachings of the Church of England or the Anglican Communion would have to say about it.
 
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http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:skfPBZ10tEcJ:www.hwacompendium.com/2008/chapter7.html+%22God+did+not+establish+a+holy+observance+for+the+resurrection+of+Jesus+Christ%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

The above link contains the OP word for word about 1/2 way down or so.

More info.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armstrongism

Two great Beings, God the Father and the Word make up the God family. The Holy Spirit, the power and mind of God, was an impersonal force or energy that could be given by God to dwell in those people he called into the Church.

Nope not Christian.

Peace
 
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Gary:

For someone with an Anglican icon, you are uncommonly hostile to the historical church. It sounds to me like you are in the wrong church considering what you believe.
I'm confused... I've been studying the teachings of Herbert W. Armstrong. His teaching have been having an effect on me... and I'm beginning to see that effect is becoming negative. Much of his teachings makes sense to me...

I am a new Christian, I recently confided to a member of my church congregation about my confusion. He thinks that Satan is trying to prevent my conformation into The Church Of England next month. Could he be right?

When I read Armstrong's claim that I am caught up in a counterfeit Christiainty, and that the COG is the real Church... I'm not sure what that idea is doing to me.

I feel like I've got to bring others to find the truth (as I think I've done) That has had the result of me posting threads on this website, that have not been well recieved... and has left me feeling... well... confused.

The other and most hurtful effect it has had on me, is that I want to convert the church I go to into my way of thinking. I can see that is not possible, so I sit through the Sunday services feeling alone... with the joy of the service leaving me.

Then, when I look at the Chritians in my church, they have a joy, that I do not have. They seem to be a tree bearing good fruits... So I find myself wondering, if they are deceived into a counterfeit Christianity... why do they produce good deeds.

I want to be like them... I want the joy they have... I am only three weeks away from being confirmed by a Bishop.

Have I been deceived.... Or do I just want to believe that I've been deceived, in order to avoid what may be the truth?
 
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Gary, I applaud your honest testimony of your struggle.

I believe that the evil one is trying to deceive you. Any 'church' or latter day 'prophet' that teaches counter to the 7 Ecumenical councils is being decieved and led by satan himself.
 
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In 325 A.D., the Catholic Church convened the Council of Nicea. I will simply cover the highlights of this momentous event. The Passover was in controversy and the Catholic Church wanted to be rid of it, since it wanted to be fully separate from all ties that associated it with the true Church of God, which faithfully observed the yearly Passover. It also wanted to distance itself from Judaism. The annual observance of Passover was replaced with the observance of Easter, which itself was rife with pagan practices (eggs, rabbits, fertility, hot cross buns, sunrise worship of the sun god, the resurrection of Tammuz, and the queen of heaven—Ishtar and Ashtoreth).

God did not establish a holy observance for the resurrection of Jesus Christ, but only for His death in the observance of the yearly Passover. The Catholic Church even perverted the Passover observance by instituting weekly Communion. The taking of a piece of unleavened bread and the drinking of a small amount of wine is a yearly observance God commanded His Church, called Passover, which represents the religious significance of Christ’s broken body and the blood that He poured out for our sins. By substituting Easter for Passover, the Catholic Church was also attempting to give credibility to Sunday worship rather than the seventh-day Sabbath. By observing Easter and saying that Jesus Christ was resurrected at sunrise on a Sunday morning, it could then say Christ should be worshiped on Sundays.

Jesus Christ had already risen before Sunday even began. He was resurrected just prior to sundown on the seventh day, before the first day of the week began. God gave man the method of how to count a day, counting from the moment of sundown of one day to the moment of sundown of the next. As an example, throughout the Bible the weekly seventhday Sabbath was always observed from sundown on the sixth day (Friday) to sundown on the seventh day (Saturday). The early Greeks and Romans used the method of counting a day from midnight to midnight. Not only did the Council of Nicea seek to destroy the true identity of Jesus Christ by instituting Easter, it also sought to destroy knowledge of the true identity of the Eternal God by instituting the perverted, sick and damnable doctrine of the Trinity. These two doctrines have been Satan’s greatest and most fruitful attempts to deceive mankind into greater ignorance of who Jesus Christ and God the Father are.

The true Jesus Christ is not the one pictured with long hair, hanging lifelessly on a cross that the Catholic Church has deceived people into worshipping. Jesus Christ is God and He did die for our sins as our Passover, but He is very much alive and He exercises great power within the Church. He is about to return as His name Messiah (Christ) means, as the King of all kings who will reign for 1,000 years on earth over all mankind. :thumbsup:

What have you been reading?

I see it now... Herbert W. Armstrong. Never heard of him, obviously a very confused person who had not done his homework.

Forgive me...
 
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What have you been reading?

I see it now... Herbert W. Armstrong. Never heard of him, obviously a very confused person who had not done his homework.

Forgive me...
It's from a website called, "The Restored Church Of God"

It is the world's largest Christian website.
 
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It's from a website called, "The Restored Church Of God"

It is the world's largest Christian website.

Well, there we go. The Church of God does not need to be "restored", it's still here, healthy as ever.

The problem is, people fail to join themselves to The Church.

The human condition seems to want things to conform to himself, instead of conforming himself to Christ's Church. The Roman Empire (and many others) had this problem early on.

I would encourage your study of heresies and true historical heretics. That was the reason for the councils.

The first council was called primarily because of Arius, and his teaching that Christ was not God but a creature of God.

I must say... I appauld your willingness to go this path.

Forgive me...
 
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