The consequences of creationism.

[consol]

If the US should decide to go over to creationism, what do creationists think would be the end result?

I don't know what the likelihood of that happening is, I don't know if the bulk of the American people
would allow it or if the American people are already in favour of it,
but I wonder if creationists have really thought out what would be the consequences if it did.

What would America look like to the rest of the world?
what would happen to American business and industry if the flow of scientists were to slowly dry up?
would they just recruit from abroad?

It's just a thought I had and I wondered if creationists might like to comment.

I expect this will be seen as a troll or a rant.

 

[madarab]

Does anyone have a graphic of that silly tree thing that was supposed to represent the "wicked fruits of evolution?" It's clear they think those are the things which would be eliminated from our culture if we were to wholeheartedly embrace creationism.

 

[ElijahFalling]

I'll tell you exactly what will happen if America were to accept creation science. The Bible says that if you draw close to God, he'll draw close to you. God will surely bless this nation if it repents and comes back to Him. Business and industry would flourish more than ever before. Why was has this country been so successful since it's founding? Because it was founded on the Word of God and has been a Christian nation up until recently. Now America has begun to reject God, choosing instead to worship the golden calf of evilution, along with every other abomination including sodomy, abortion, communism, and witchcraft. It's no coincidence that we're now being consumed by terrorist attacks, wars we should easily win but can't, natural disasters (remember New Orleans was one of the most wicked cities in the country), and economic recession. The best thing America can do for its national security situation and economic situation is to turn back to God.

 

[LordTimothytheWise]

I expect this will be seen as a troll or a rant.

Understandably.

Creationists probably don't think that "the flow of scientists will dry up". You act as if they don't think they are doing science.

 

[ElijahFalling]

Does anyone have a graphic of that silly tree thing that was supposed to represent the "wicked fruits of evolution?" It's clear they think those are the things which would be eliminated from our culture if we were to wholeheartedly embrace creationism.

If you have such a chart, I would like to see it, as I'm sure it's very informative.

 

[Skavau]

I'll tell you exactly what will happen if America were to accept creation science. The Bible says that if you draw close to God, he'll draw close to you. God will surely bless this nation if it repents and comes back to Him. Business and industry would flourish more than ever before. Why was has this country been so successful since it's founding? Because it was founded on the Word of God and has been a Christian nation up until recently.

The USA was not and was never a Christian nation unless you define a Christian nation by populace.

Now America has begun to reject God, choosing instead to worship the golden calf of evilution, along with every other abomination including sodomy, abortion, communism, and witchcraft.

You are delusional. Why must you invent a conspiracy behind everything? There is no evidence in the slightest for starters that 'Communism' is at all growing. You just made up a selection of things that you disagree with there, didn't you?

Moreover, 'Evilution' is simply good science. It is not an ethical theory. It does not assert ought, so what is your problem with it?

It's no coincidence that we're now being consumed by terrorist attacks, wars we should easily win but can't, natural disasters (remember New Orleans was one of the most wicked cities in the country), and economic recession.

People like you disgust me. You decide to invoke a God for the destruction of others. You portray a vindictive, spiteful and grossly injust God who slams down collective punishment on groups of people. First of all, the USA has had one terrorist attack. One major disaster in New Orleans (perhaps the Californian fires too?).

And if the USA is getting destroyed for its negligence to God, then how do you explain way regions like Scandinavia and the Nation of Japan?

Or how do you explain Christian Third World countries which live in constant poverty? Shouldn't they be receiving God's help? Do not try to pretend that America is getting slammed compared other countries.

 

[ElijahFalling]

The USA was not and was never a Christian nation unless you define a Christian nation by populace.


You are delusional. Why must you invent a conspiracy behind everything? There is no evidence in the slightest for starters that 'Communism' is at all growing. You just made up a selection of things that you disagree with there, didn't you?

Moreover, 'Evilution' is simply good science. It is not an ethical theory. It does not assert ought, so what is your problem with it?


People like you disgust me. You decide to invoke a God for the destruction of others. You portray a vindictive, spiteful and grossly injust God who slams down collective punishment on groups of people. First of all, the USA has had one terrorist attack. One major disaster in New Orleans (perhaps the Californian fires too?).

And if the USA is getting destroyed for its negligence to God, then how do you explain way regions like Scandinavia and the Nation of Japan?

Or how do you explain Christian Third World countries which live in constant poverty? Shouldn't they be receiving God's help? Do not try to pretend that America is getting slammed compared other countries.

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Brother, you are walking in folly and your ways are in error, but if you repent and accept the Lord God you will receive His wisdom.

 

[Skavau]

Brother, you are walking in folly and your ways are in error, but if you repent and accept the Lord God you will receive His wisdom.

Is that just a glorified way of ignoring my points? I want to hear your answers:

And if the USA is getting destroyed for its negligence to God, then how do you explain way regions like Scandinavia and the Nation of Japan? They are much more irreligious or 'against God' than the USA.

Or how do you explain Christian Third World countries which live in constant poverty? Shouldn't they be receiving God's help? Do not try to pretend that America is getting slammed compared other countries.

How do you explain those?

 

[LordTimothytheWise]

And if the USA is getting destroyed for its negligence to God, then how do you explain way regions like Scandinavia and the Nation of Japan?

God is afraid of Chuck Norris and is trying to kill him by 'slamming' America.

Its true.

 

[madarab]

ElijahFalling, I'd love to, but I haven't been able to get my hands on it. At one point in time, I even went far enough as to call the ICR and ask them. The secretary who answered the phone was less than helpful.

 

[Logic_Fault]

I'll tell you exactly what will happen if America were to accept creation science.

Scientific advancement, technological innovation and medicine would all come to a grinding halt, that's what would happen. It would all happen because "creation science" isn't science in any sense of the word and couldn't possibly be used to continue the work done in any of those fields.

The Bible says that if you draw close to God, he'll draw close to you.

The Bible says a lot of things. Most of it isn't true. The rest of it appears to be bad poetry, poorly written narrative and muddled historical data.

God will surely bless this nation if it repents and comes back to Him. Business and industry would flourish more than ever before.

Flourish how when the nation no longer has anything of any use on the world market and, therefor, no economy to speak of?

Why was has this country been so successful since it's founding? Because it was founded on the Word of God and has been a Christian nation up until recently.

Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli disagrees with you on that.

Now America has begun to reject God, choosing instead to worship the golden calf of evilution, along with every other abomination including sodomy, abortion, communism, and witchcraft.

There are flights out daily if you don't care to be here any longer. I'm sure you can find a nice theocracy somewhere to suit your needs.

It's no coincidence that we're now being consumed by terrorist attacks, wars we should easily win but can't, natural disasters (remember New Orleans was one of the most wicked cities in the country), and economic recession.

Actually, it is a coincidence. If you actually look at the causes of those things you listed you'll not find your deity behind any of it. Aside from that, if New Orleans was such a "wicked city" and faced your god's wrath, why is Las Vegas still there?

The best thing America can do for its national security situation and economic situation is to turn back to God.

Yeah, right. Kowtow to the invisible boogeyman, or else! I'm sure your fire and brimstone, repent or burn speeches go over real well somewhere but it's sure not here.

 

[LinearAq]

Because it was founded on the Word of God and has been a Christian nation up until recently. Now America has begun to reject God, choosing instead to worship the golden calf of evilution, along with every other abomination including sodomy, abortion, communism, and witchcraft.

Unfortunately, that pesky First Amendment to the Constitution throws a wrench into your assertion. It seems that this nation was against your god from the start. They even allowed witchcraft since it is a religion.

 

[LordTimothytheWise]

Meh I wouldn't say against. Just not specifically for. The idea that America started out as a Christian nation is not entirely baseless. Most people were Christians at the time still are really. Most of the founding fathers were at least some form of deist. They had prayer and other thing even at the Constitutional Congress... they certainly were not against God Christian's or otherwise.

Also, the I think the standard interpretation of the first ammendment is way too broad. I do not think the way it is being used is what the founding fathers intended. But that is a whole nother can of worms.

 

[Vene]

... (remember New Orleans was one of the most wicked cities in the country)...

I thought that God promised never to destroy a city again after the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah.

 

[InTheCloud]

Anyways why fundies insist that Christians should take Genesis 1 to 11 in a literal way to be Christians?

BTW have you notices the link between fundamentalism and American Manifest Destiny? Scary.

 

[Vene]

Meh I wouldn't say against. Just not specifically for. The idea that America started out as a Christian nation is not entirely baseless. Most people were Christians at the time still are really. Most of the founding fathers were at least some form of deist. They had prayer and other thing even at the Constitutional Congress... they certainly were not against God Christian's or otherwise.

There is a difference between being against Christianity and being secular. Considering that a theocracy was controlling them I doubt that they wanted the possibility of a theocracy for their new country.

 

[LordTimothytheWise]

There is a difference between being against Christianity and being secular. Considering that a theocracy was controlling them I doubt that they wanted the possibility of a theocracy for their new country.

Indeed. But the country isn't 'anti-anything' really. It isn't against Christianity, or against God in any sense. It is simply religiously neutral.

 

[Vene]

Indeed. But the country isn't 'anti-anything' really. It isn't against Christianity, or against God in any sense. It is simply religiously neutral.

Thank you, that is exactly my point. And to be religiously neutral it also means that one religion can't be considered more important by the government.

 

[LittleNipper]

If the US should decide to go over to creationism, what do creationists think would be the end result?

I don't know what the likelihood of that happening is, I don't know if the bulk of the American people
would allow it or if the American people are already in favour of it,
but I wonder if creationists have really thought out what would be the consequences if it did.

What would America look like to the rest of the world?
what would happen to American business and industry if the flow of scientists were to slowly dry up?
would they just recruit from abroad?

It's just a thought I had and I wondered if creationists might like to comment.

I expect this will be seen as a troll or a rant.

As an American, I really do not actually care what the rest of the world says, does or thinks, as long as, America is doing what is correct in the eyes of GOD. I believe what one would begin to see, if creationism were at least discussible in public schools, a change in attitude of students about their education and what is expected of them. In the 1950 and 1940's religion was at least discussible openly (especially around holidays) and I feel that at that time American public education (in general) was second to none. American education has not gotten better, because family relationships, respect, and personal responsibility has done down the tubes as the most important factors of education. Scientists and doctors would still look for cures. Inventors would still work to fill necessities, and I'm very sure a few evolutionists would continue to seek for missing links. The reality is that no one on this planet ever died because they didn't know all about Darwin's thoughts; however, thousands of people die every year without one clue about where they will spend eternity. The sad things seems to be that there are many who have had opportunities to hear, but are far too busy care and feel it is none of their concern.....

 

[xr2]

If you expect that scientists will still exist and do science, do you expect them to use sound scientific principals to research and create cures for diseases, or do you expect them to kneel down in a prayer and expect God to see the scientist's devote love of God and then grant the solution to the scientist? Or should they look in the bible for the passage on how to cure aids or cancer?