The consequences of creationism.

[consol]

If Creationists became the majority of Geologists for example, they would need to use a flood model that predicted pretty well what they would find. And from the testimonies of a couple of Creationist Geologists working in the field that I have spoken to on the CreationTalk yahoo group, they seem to be doing alright currently.

Dream on Richard, dream on.

 

[LittleNipper]

Evolution is on-going. It has been observed. Just like the theory of gravity. The actions of gravity can be observed today.

Both gravity and evolution are tested through observations made today. The experiments are repeatable.

So now we have ducks, when none ever existed?
So now we have dogs, when none ever existed?
Tell me of a new kind, whose type never existed before and was not created but evolved out of something else in the past 5000 years. I believe your answer will be NONE. Even with some creative genius breeders have only been able to create specialized breeds within specific kinds.

 

[LittleNipper]

Dream on Richard, dream on.

For the evolutionist, creationism maybe becoming a nightmare.

 

[Molal]

For the evolutionist, creationism maybe becoming a nightmare.

For the scientist, creationists ARE a nightmare.

Creationists are to scientists as zombies are to the living.

 

[xr2]

So now we have ducks, when none ever existed?
So now we have dogs, when none ever existed?
Tell me of a new kind, whose type never existed before and was not created but evolved out of something else in the past 5000 years. I believe your answer will be NONE. Even with some creative genius breeders have only been able to create specialized breeds within specific kinds.

Ready to move those goal posts?

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7741

Sure, this is only one link, but I need to leave for work. If you put any amount of effort to education yourself about evolution, not only could you stop spouting nonsense about things you don't understand, you could actually learn something too.

If you want to close your eyes, cover your ears while repeating "creationism is true, evolution is a lie" over and over, then fine. But in that case don't expect the rest of us to point out how you're wrong at every turn, just so you can either ignore us or restate what you need for proof.

Fruit flies are a common way to study evolution as they have short life spans. If you do any research at all you will find experiments showing that if you split one group of flies into two, that after many generations, those two groups will be unable to breed with each other. This seems to be exactly what you are claiming is impossible, but instead is well known, well documented, and well understood, and shows evolution in action.

I would also ask you how you think we get drug resistant bacteria?

 

[Loudmouth]

So now we have ducks, when none ever existed?

Now we have a greater variety of birds than there was once.

So now we have dogs, when none ever existed?

1,000 years ago we did not have chihuahuas. Are chihuahuas a new kind?

Tell me of a new kind, whose type never existed before and was not created but evolved out of something else in the past 5000 years. I believe your answer will be NONE. Even with some creative genius breeders have only been able to create specialized breeds within specific kinds.

Every species is a new kind. Since we have observed many speciation events we have observed the production of new kinds.

 

[Loudmouth]

Given what passes as "Biblical Science" I suppose it could be argued that Zion Oil is giving it a try. Technically they're using, get this, a "Biblical prophecy" (Deuteronomy 33:24 to be precise) to find oil in Israel. Not surprisingly they haven't actually found anything and, as of Oct. 1st, their stock price had dropped by half.

Zion Oil is using standard geology to search for oil in Israel. They are trying to find the most promising places to drill without using a young earth or a flood model.

 

[Nathan Poe]

For the evolutionist, creationism maybe becoming a nightmare.

Willful ignorance, foribly inflicted on the population, is always a nightmare.

 

[RichardT]

"The Archaean basement consists of domes of granitoids and granitic gneisses (the Nanambu Complex), the nearest outcrop being 5 km to the north. Some of the lowermost overlying Proterozoic metasediments were accreted to these domes during amphibolite grade regional metamorphism (5 to 8 kb and 550° to 630° C) at 1870 to 1800 Myr. Multiple isoclinal recumbent folding accompanied metamorphism."


You do know what Myr means don't you?

Of course. He's using that sort of terminology. When you see Creationists write for uniformitarians, it's possible that they would even agree with some of their conclusions from a uniformatarian paradigm.

 

[tanzanos]

Ever heard of a Gold Rush?

Well that is exactly what will happen. America will become so backward and weak that tens of countries will rush to America and declare it as a colony.
I only hope it is not Iran!!!

 

[Phred]

I'll tell you exactly what will happen if America were to accept creation science. The Bible says that if you draw close to God, he'll draw close to you. God will surely bless this nation if it repents and comes back to Him. Business and industry would flourish more than ever before. Why was has this country been so successful since it's founding? Because it was founded on the Word of God and has been a Christian nation up until recently. Now America has begun to reject God, choosing instead to worship the golden calf of evilution, along with every other abomination including sodomy, abortion, communism, and witchcraft. It's no coincidence that we're now being consumed by terrorist attacks, wars we should easily win but can't, natural disasters (remember New Orleans was one of the most wicked cities in the country), and economic recession. The best thing America can do for its national security situation and economic situation is to turn back to God.

I'm sure you and Fred Phelps would get along splendidly.

Your so-called "word of god" is meaningless as it's not the word of any god but the interpretation of men that we have to deal with. This nation was founded to remove the influence of such interpretations from our government so that we could progress without the hindrance of religion and people like yourself. Sadly we find ourselves right back in the dark ages fighting off wave after wave of twits who insist that evidence and data are meaningless in the face of what they think their scripture means. It's been science and technology that has lifted this nation up, not any god and certainly not people like you. You're the whining child hanging onto our legs... you won't let us move forward unless we drag you along kicking and screaming. Frankly, you embarrass the rest of us. But, you're ours so we roll our eyes and make excuses because we'd still rather have you than some Islamic twit with dynamite strapped across his chest. Still... you're like a bucket that's filling with water... you're just becoming to heavy to keep holding up. You're building universities to teach dumb and dumber for cryin' out loud!

So here we sit with our embarrassing child whom we just can't make behave while China puts out more engineers and scientists in a year than we have in the last ten. A country that has completely turned away from God is being rewarded for doing so. Kinda invalidates your rant there, doesn't it? Supposedly God helps those who help themselves... we're being punished for not helping ourselves... and it's your fault.

You proud of yourself?

 

[Loudmouth]

Ever heard of a Gold Rush?

Well that is exactly what will happen. America will become so backward and weak that tens of countries will rush to America and declare it as a colony.
I only hope it is not Iran!!!

Who knows, maybe we can drag Canada and Mexico down with us,

 

[Split Rock]

If Creationists became the majority of Geologists for example, they would need to use a flood model that predicted pretty well what they would find.

Absolutely.

And from the testimonies of a couple of Creationist Geologists working in the field that I have spoken to on the CreationTalk yahoo group, they seem to be doing alright currently.

Really? You either have an unusual definition of "alright," or they are L.C.W.s

Can you provide some examples?

 

[Split Rock]

You're building universities to teach dumb and dumber for cryin' out loud!

And multi million dollar museums!

 

[Molal]

If Creationists became the majority of Geologists for example, they would need to use a flood model that predicted pretty well what they would find. And from the testimonies of a couple of Creationist Geologists working in the field that I have spoken to on the CreationTalk yahoo group, they seem to be doing alright currently.

I would really like to get some info from you RichT. Can you provide references for these geologists you mention?

Maybe PM me some contact information so I can speak with them?

EDIT: Split Rock beat me to it.

 

[TheOutsider]

Ever heard of a Gold Rush?

Well that is exactly what will happen. America will become so backward and weak that tens of countries will rush to America and declare it as a colony.
I only hope it is not Iran!!!

If that happens, can I come crash at your place?

 

[LittleNipper]

Ready to move those goal posts?

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7741

Sure, this is only one link, but I need to leave for work. If you put any amount of effort to education yourself about evolution, not only could you stop spouting nonsense about things you don't understand, you could actually learn something too.

If you want to close your eyes, cover your ears while repeating "creationism is true, evolution is a lie" over and over, then fine. But in that case don't expect the rest of us to point out how you're wrong at every turn, just so you can either ignore us or restate what you need for proof.

Fruit flies are a common way to study evolution as they have short life spans. If you do any research at all you will find experiments showing that if you split one group of flies into two, that after many generations, those two groups will be unable to breed with each other. This seems to be exactly what you are claiming is impossible, but instead is well known, well documented, and well understood, and shows evolution in action.

I would also ask you how you think we get drug resistant bacteria?

A fruit maggot is a fruit maggot and the article says UNLIKELY to interbreed. This means they are ALL still fruit maggots. They may be degenerates but maggots they remain.

 

[xr2]

A fruitfly is a fruitfly and the article says UNLIKELY to interbreed. This means they are ALL still fruit flies.

But you end up with two distinct groups of fruit flies. How did that happen? If there was no evolution, you shouldn't be able to tell them apart, but it possible to tell them apart. Why is that? Simple, because each group evolved on its own.

 

[Loudmouth]

Ever heard of a Gold Rush?

Well that is exactly what will happen. America will become so backward and weak that tens of countries will rush to America and declare it as a colony.
I only hope it is not Iran!!!

What us rational americans need to do is just give the fundies one of the states. Alabama, Kentucky, Mississippi, . . . you know, one of "those" states. Give all of the rational people a year to move out of the state, and then forcibly move all creationists into the new Creationist Stronghold. We can dig a moat around the entire state and fill it with fish that were genetically modified to resemble Tiktaalik rosae.

Anybody with me?

 

[TheOutsider]

What us rational americans need to do is just give the fundies one of the states. Alabama, Kentucky, Mississippi, . . . you know, one of "those" states. Give all of the rational people a year to move out of the state, and then forcibly move all creationists into the new Creationist Stronghold. We can dig a moat around the entire state and fill it with fish that were genetically modified to resemble Tiktaalik rosae.

Anybody with me?

I heard that some Dominionists were planning on doing that with South Carolina. I love Myrtle Beach, but I'd be willing to sacrifice it.