The consequences of creationism.

[Logic_Fault]

Zion Oil is using standard geology to search for oil in Israel.

Yes, but the reason they're actually there is because of John Brown and his apparent unwavering belief that there's oil there simply because the Bible made mention of it. It seems there actually is some evidence--real evidence that is--that oil could be found there but that's not why Brown is there; he's there because his Bible tells him there's oil there, not because science says so.

In an interview with USA Today, Brown says, "God sent me for one purpose: to help Israel with oil," says Brown, a born-again Christian, as he leafs through his Bible. Brown says he received divine inspiration, starting his company, Zion Oil, to help Israel become energy-independent. "I believe God talked to me."

They are trying to find the most promising places to drill without using a young earth or a flood model.

I said nothing of a young earth or flood model. I said that given what passes as "Biblical science" one could argue that Brown's use of a supposed Bible prophecy could be considered an example of someone seeking oil using "Bible science".

 

[LittleNipper]

But you end up with two distinct groups of fruit flies. How did that happen? If there was no evolution, you shouldn't be able to tell them apart, but it possible to tell them apart. Why is that? Simple, because each group evolved on its own.

The very same way we ended up with red, yellow black and white humans. Natural breeding.

 

[Patashu]

The very same way we ended up with red, yellow black and white humans. Natural breeding.

Which...isn't evolution?

 

[LittleNipper]

Which...isn't evolution?

AND, neither is a race of fruit maggots which have other tastes in nutrients

 

[Molal]

AND, neither is a race of fruit maggots which have other tastes in nutrients

Why isn't it evolution?

 

[Loudmouth]

Yes, but the reason they're actually there is because of John Brown and his apparent unwavering belief that there's oil there simply because the Bible made mention of it. It seems there actually is some evidence--real evidence that is--that oil could be found there but that's not why Brown is there; he's there because his Bible tells him there's oil there, not because science says so.

You are absolutely right. All I am saying is that we should consider inspiration and methodology in different lights, thats all. Lemaitre was inspired by Genesis when he helped formulate the Big Bang theory.

I said nothing of a young earth or flood model. I said that given what passes as "Biblical science" one could argue that Brown's use of a supposed Bible prophecy could be considered an example of someone seeking oil using "Bible science".

Would you consider Lemaitre's work as "Bible science"?

 

[Logic_Fault]

You are absolutely right. All I am saying is that we should consider inspiration and methodology in different lights, thats all. Lemaitre was inspired by Genesis when he helped formulate the Big Bang theory.

I agree, we should differentiate between inspiration and methodology. Scientists like Lemaitre can do such a thing; quacks like Brown obviously can't.

Brown didn't say, "gee, the Bible mentions oil so I'll do some research and see if it's there", instead he said, "the Bible says there's oil, I'll start a natural gas & oil company and go prospecting for it". Brown was certain he'd find oil before he even started whereas Lemaitre came to his conclusion with due diligence and proper research.

Would you consider Lemaitre's work as "Bible science"?

Lemaitre's work may have had it's (if you'll excuse the pun) genesis in the Bible but it certainly isn't anything like what is often passed off by believers as being science. Not only that, Lemaitre was working off of Einstein and other's work. He didn't just pick up his Bible and say "the Bible describes X so X is the answer" as Brown appears to be wont to do.

 

[tanzanos]

If that happens, can I come crash at your place?

You kidding? There is a waiting list of over 167 million.

Ha just kidding!

Sure! We can enjoy a few bottles of good red wine while watching the star spangled banner being replaced by the flag of Fatu Hiva!!!!

 

[consol]

If the US should decide to go over to creationism, what do creationists think would be the end result?

I don't think for one minute that creationist even think about that question, and for one good reason,
they know creationism is unlikely to get that far, someone or something will step in and stop it,
because I believe the people who make the money from creationism do not want it to damage the country
anymore than anyone else, if they see it getting out of hand they will try and change the rules,
failing that, they might just collect their money together and leave the country.

I think that's what I would do.

 

[LittleNipper]

Why isn't it evolution?

Because evolution is the idea that all species are the offspring one species and not simply variations within one kind. It is that definition that I cannot as a Bible believing Christian except. Variations only demonstrate individual uniqueness and not origin.

 

[LittleNipper]

I don't think for one minute that creationist even think about that question, and for one good reason,
they know creationism is unlikely to get that far, someone or something will step in and stop it,
because I believe the people who make the money from creationism do not want it to damage the country
anymore than anyone else, if they see it getting out of hand they will try and change the rules,
failing that, they might just collect their money together and leave the country.

I think that's what I would do.

But you are an avowed atheist. Saved Christians don't think about themselves. They consider the salvation of others as important. That is something you cannot even pretend to understand.

 

[consol]

But you are an avowed atheist. Saved Christians don't think about themselves. They consider the salvation of others as important. That is something you cannot even pretend to understand.

I am an Atheists as you say,
but the rest is obviously not true, if it was, creationists would abandon creationism RIGHT NOW,
for the good of themselves and their country, but that won't happen because creationism is a 'Catch 22' situation,

if creationist had sufficient brains to abandon creationism, they would not be creationists,
and because they are creationists, they do not have sufficient brains to stop being creationists.

It's a sad sad situation to be in, damned if you do, and damned if you don't.