The consequences of automation

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The good news that Wall Street doesn't want to hear

Jobs may come and go, but the rate of unemployment suggests that other jobs have expanded the needs for hire. Unemployment in the U.S. in 2018 will likely sink to its lowest level since astronaut Neil Armstrong took his giant leap for mankind in landing on the moon nearly 50 years ago.

That's the view of noted Wall Street economist Joseph Lavorgna, who predicts that the nation's jobless rate -- now at 4.1 percent -- will fall to 3.5 percent by year-end. The last time unemployment was that low? December 1969, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
Those who are permanently displaced (meaning they have used up all their unemployment insurance and are still not back at work) is SKY HIGH. Those working part time, or working for minimum wage and unable to feed their families is also SKY HIGH. "Walmart's low-wage workers cost U.S. taxpayers an estimated $6.2 billion in public assistance including food stamps, Medicaid and subsidized housing." Report: Walmart Workers Cost Taxpayers $6.2 Billion In Public Assistance
 
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Those who are permanently displaced (meaning they have used up all their unemployment insurance and are still not back at work) is SKY HIGH. Those working part time, or working for minimum wage and unable to feed their families is also SKY HIGH. "Walmart's low-wage workers cost U.S. taxpayers an estimated $6.2 billion in public assistance including food stamps, Medicaid and subsidized housing." Report: Walmart Workers Cost Taxpayers $6.2 Billion In Public Assistance
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I think even mom and pop companies will be talking into iPhones which will print out letters, organize spreadsheets, do their banking, etc., eliminating the need for secretaries, accountants, and various clerks. People will flash photos of their atm cards, and all the money transactions will be done electronically, including in mom and pop places. A lot of this is already happening.

Right, but what you are suggesting is that an automated process can function independently and it can't. Every automated process creates a job in maintaining the functionality of the automated process so that the business owner may not need a secretary anymore, but they will need a technician to make sure that automation functions in a way that is useful to them. An automated process is not a set and forget system. It does no good to use a spreadsheet that freezes or loses data or any other number of things that could happen to an automated system that is not monitored by a technician.

In fact, information systems jobs that function to provide technical assistance for all the iPhone application and automated spreadsheet services are increasing and remain unfilled. I think this isn't because people don't want to do that kind of work. It is because technology has progressed faster than we have been able to provide educational programs for people to take advantage of the creation of new jobs within this industry.
 
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Every automated process creates a job in maintaining the functionality of the automated process so that the business owner may not need a secretary anymore, but they will need a technician to make sure that automation functions in a way that is useful to them.

Although this is true, it is certainly not proportional. The automated process gets rid of the entire secretary, but only needs a tech once in a blue moon. The company contracts with an outside industry to supply the tech. This tech services the automation for a hundred different former secretaries.
 
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Although this is true, it is certainly not proportional. The automated process gets rid of the entire secretary, but only needs a tech once in a blue moon. The company contracts with an outside industry to supply the tech. This tech services the automation for a hundred different former secretaries.

With all due respect, that’s not how many these systems work or the point I was trying to make. Everything isn’t relative to the business owner whose may have few interactions with a technician. Although, I should have expanded on the definition of a technician.

When I said a technician is involved in maintaining a system used by a business owner, I am talking about hundreds of people involved in making a system function, not just the technician a business owner calls for support with his local system.

Smaller businesses haven't always used virtual systems that required technical support, but with the introduction of cloud-based virtual networks and other alternatives to buying equipment for a small business to store data and link together a personal network of computers, more and more small businesses are going to be able to automate some part of their businesses.

In addition to the number of applications that are useful to accounting for business owners that are examples of software as a service. With software as a service, there has to be people monitoring this system a lot more frequently than a packaged software program like Microsoft Excel.

Therefore, networks seem automated and like they work by themselves, but they don't. Testing before any product is deployed can only go so far to predict the way a system to respond to heavy traffic, or other factors the software might encounter that could cause it to crash.

With large databases, a lot of the time data is distributed across different servers so that the system you are using will seem like it is still working even when behind the scenes a server has gone down and technical support is working to get it up and running again. In the internet world, there are more ways to make it appear like the system never goes down.

So because of all this work going on behind the scenes, jobs in information technology are increasing and go unfilled. There are many articles about this. IT jobs will grow 22% through 2020, says U.S.
The people doing these jobs may never interact with the business owner, but they are crucial to making sure the system he is using functions the way it is supposed to.

However, this is irrelevant to the reality that this discussion has existed since the dawn of the industrial age, and economists have observed ever since that when one job becomes obsolete, another job is created.

Many jobs became obsolete in the early part of the 20th century and that did not prevent the baby boomer generation from enjoying a vibrant economy filled with jobs and good wages that created a model of the way a middle class could exist. This was long before automation created through computer systems.

However, automation has another potential downside if it were to be contolled by a single entity. We are all aware of the comparison between the mark of the beast and a computer chip. So there are things to be concerned with. Job loss is just not one of them and the things that are concerning about computer technology and automation could be resolved to a certain extent by the distribution of education in technology.

The problem at the moment is that technology is advancing rapidly and people are becoming consumers of technology rather than understanding how the technology works. Being a consumer is going to create dependency on other people to provide these services and someone could easily take advantage of this. Although, this is easily remedied by studying the subject of computer science so that we are not just consumers of a technology and easy targets for a beast.
 
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I remember when I was young and the computer was a promise of reducing paper waste and the typewriter and all the typists. They now say that the abundance of data couldn't have happened without the computer, but that it also caused more work and workers to enter data. And the paper use has gone up.
 
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